Ukraine Puts ‘Extremists’ on Notice After Deadly Clashes

[crudos]

The perfect storm? Hope those nukes are locked up tight and secure. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/20/world/europe/ukraine.html?hpw&rref=world&_r=0

The security authorities in Ukraine offered the first indication on Wednesday that the deadly political violence afflicting Kiev had spread far beyond the city limits, announcing a crackdown on what the Interior Ministry called “extremist groups” that had torched buildings and seized weapons nationwide.

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[brat]

They're reporting a "truce" now and some "talk things over"...

http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-president-protest-leaders-agree-truce-214055016.html

Of course, bho had to put in his .0125 after taxes with 

On a visit to Mexico, Obama said the Ukrainian military should not step into a situation that civilians should resolve and added that the U.S. holds Ukraine's government primarily responsible for dealing with peaceful protesters appropriately.

If the pics I've seen coming out of there are "peaceful"...wtf.

I wonder if that attitude will hold if shtf here    If you like your doctor, you can keep him.

[Kentactic]

The US government is egging on and helping the rebels because they want them to join the NWO... I mean EU... these people are quite literally fighting to enslave themselves.  The US government is using its size to keep Ukrainian government from fighting back.

I hope the Rebels lose... if the Ukraine government uses lethal force (which it should now since the rebels are) then the US will step in and protect its investment. Get out of the military ASAP... this will be MY first clear cut visual of an evil US government attacking good people fighting against the elites.

Best case scenario is Ukraine peacefully joins Russia. 

[JohnyMac]

Wow...I guess President Obama will get his war. Syria fell through soooooo...

[brat]

Yep. They are heated up again according to reports this morning. At least 8 "protestors" reportedly killed by gunfire.

[JohnyMac]

I read somewhere that the Ukrainian government is now using snipers on roofs. Maybe the protesters need to get some snipers out  Oh that's right...They can't own weapons.

I will bet US $100- that the Ukrainian government asks Putin to come in and "help" bring control to Ukrainian. Who would like to take my bet?

President Obama was crowing (warning) the Ukrainian/Russian that "they better not do anything rash." O'boy, I bet they are shaking in their boots. 

(U.S. Reuters) - President Barack Obama called on Ukraine's armed forces on Wednesday to stay out of the country's political crisis and warned that there would be consequences for those who "step over the line." 

[APX808]

The US government is egging on and helping the rebels because they want them to join the NWO... I mean EU... these people are quite literally fighting to enslave themselves.  The US government is using its size to keep Ukrainian government from fighting back.

I hope the Rebels lose... if the Ukraine government uses lethal force (which it should now since the rebels are) then the US will step in and protect its investment. Get out of the military ASAP... this will be MY first clear cut visual of an evil US government attacking good people fighting against the elites.

Best case scenario is Ukraine peacefully joins Russia.

Ukranian people fought for years to get their independence, they got their independence recognized in '91 and now 20 years after you think the best option is for them to forget all about it and join the communist nation that fucked them for decades?

Would you consider joining UK just to get rid of Obama? Give me a break man.

[JohnyMac]

Please remember Ken that the Russians (Stalin to be specific) used The Holodomor to suppress the Ukrainian people in 1932-33 where an estimated 2.4 - 7.5M Ukrainians were murdered by starvation (Genocide).

Here is another article to read if you would like to get another opinion/account to the Wiki article above.

Now do I think we should send troops into the Ukraine to help the protesters - NO! Do I think we could help them to keep the chains of Putin from surrounding the Ukraine again - Yes.

On another note: There are now four large scale protests/civil wars going on around the planet; Syria, Venezuela, Argentina and now Ukraine.

Maybe we should throw into the equation:
> Afghanistan
> Iraq
> Egypt
> Iran
> Republic of Congo
> Mexico
> What country have I missed?

The a fore mentioned four countries is a scary thing.  Stay tuned....

[Kentactic]

The US government is egging on and helping the rebels because they want them to join the NWO... I mean EU... these people are quite literally fighting to enslave themselves.  The US government is using its size to keep Ukrainian government from fighting back.

I hope the Rebels lose... if the Ukraine government uses lethal force (which it should now since the rebels are) then the US will step in and protect its investment. Get out of the military ASAP... this will be MY first clear cut visual of an evil US government attacking good people fighting against the elites.

Best case scenario is Ukraine peacefully joins Russia.

Ukranian people fought for years to get their independence, they got their independence recognized in '91 and now 20 years after you think the best option is for them to forget all about it and join the communist nation that fucked them for decades?

Would you consider joining UK just to get rid of Obama? Give me a break man.

If they want independence so bad then why did they start a war to join the EU and enslave themselves? there's a reason the rebels are being backed by and directed by, the US, and trust me its not in the Ukrainians best interest.

[Kentactic]

I read somewhere that the Ukrainian government is now using snipers on roofs. Maybe the protesters need to get some snipers out  Oh that's right...They can't own weapons.

I will bet US $100- that the Ukrainian government asks Putin to come in and "help" bring control to Ukrainian. Who would like to take my bet?

President Obama was crowing (warning) the Ukrainian/Russian that "they better not do anything rash." O'boy, I bet they are shaking in their boots. 

(U.S. Reuters) - President Barack Obama called on Ukraine's armed forces on Wednesday to stay out of the country's political crisis and warned that there would be consequences for those who "step over the line." 

The US wants nothing to do with Russia and is their enemy in this conflict. If anyone goes in to help its the blue helmets or US troops. They have to protect their assets. The US started this conflict for the purpose of being able to then crack down on the Ukrainian government. Now they can control more people and expand the EU. Their hopes were a smooth transition into the EU. The Ukrainian government realized this and tried to avoid it. Unfortunately as we now know the US fights dirty and likely sent the CIA in to get the war started. So now were back at the US saying "no you cant shoot at peaceful protesters. .. were coming in to fuck shit up if you do" all the while they arm the rebels and say "shoot for the T box, they have armor on".

[APX808]

The US government is egging on and helping the rebels because they want them to join the NWO... I mean EU... these people are quite literally fighting to enslave themselves.  The US government is using its size to keep Ukrainian government from fighting back.

I hope the Rebels lose... if the Ukraine government uses lethal force (which it should now since the rebels are) then the US will step in and protect its investment. Get out of the military ASAP... this will be MY first clear cut visual of an evil US government attacking good people fighting against the elites.

Best case scenario is Ukraine peacefully joins Russia.

Ukranian people fought for years to get their independence, they got their independence recognized in '91 and now 20 years after you think the best option is for them to forget all about it and join the communist nation that fucked them for decades?

Would you consider joining UK just to get rid of Obama? Give me a break man.

If they want independence so bad then why did they start a war to join the EU and enslave themselves? there's a reason the rebels are being backed by and directed by, the US, and trust me its not in the Ukrainians best interest.

You got it all wrong Ken.
The Ukranian gov wants to join Russia and people just want to continue being an independent nation.

[Kentactic]

The US government is egging on and helping the rebels because they want them to join the NWO... I mean EU... these people are quite literally fighting to enslave themselves.  The US government is using its size to keep Ukrainian government from fighting back.

I hope the Rebels lose... if the Ukraine government uses lethal force (which it should now since the rebels are) then the US will step in and protect its investment. Get out of the military ASAP... this will be MY first clear cut visual of an evil US government attacking good people fighting against the elites.

Best case scenario is Ukraine peacefully joins Russia.

Ukranian people fought for years to get their independence, they got their independence recognized in '91 and now 20 years after you think the best option is for them to forget all about it and join the communist nation that fucked them for decades?

Would you consider joining UK just to get rid of Obama? Give me a break man.

If they want independence so bad then why did they start a war to join the EU and enslave themselves? there's a reason the rebels are being backed by and directed by, the US, and trust me its not in the Ukrainians best interest.

You got it all wrong Ken.
The Ukranian gov wants to join Russia and people just want to continue being an independent nation.

This whole thing kicked off after a long period where the government was promising to join the EU. finally in December they said...."Haha just kidding were joining Russia instead"... then the protesters went on a rampage.

Early on, John McCain went over there to tell the protesters they were doing a great job and keep up the good work.

Ive heard nothing of the rebels fighting for independence. Wether its by media manipulation or real, they are fighting to join the EU. No way in hell will we just stand by and let another country be free.... not on our watch...

[APX808]

They already won their independence from Russia after generations of fighting for it, to get rid of the soviet block and join the western nations.
The gov now wants to join the same country they liberated from, and go back to be in the soviet block.

What McCain or Obama does is irrelevant, they are just politicians in the other end of the world using a situation in their favor just to fuck with Russia.

EDIT: I removed the video because there is controversy about if it is a scam and I don't want their cause to be stained.
I truly believe in Ukranian people right of self determination and to keep their independence.

[Kentactic]

They already won their independence from Russia after generations of fighting for it, to get rid of the soviet block and join the western nations.
The gov now wants to join the same country they liberated from, and go back to be in the soviet block.

What McCain or Obama does is irrelevant, they are just politicians in the other end of the world using a situation in their favor just to fuck with Russia.

I Am a Ukrainian

Mark my words. The UK will join the EU. The only reason they have US support is because of that. Notice not one time in the video did she say they wanted to be independent. She said they dont want to be part of the Soviet union, they just want to be free of corruption. They think they'll get that with the EU. Or maybe they dont but the manipulation of the media and the rebels is turning it that way by force. Either way its the same outcome. The US wants the rebels to bring down their government because the US cant do it and look like the good guys. Once thats done the US will help the ignorant rebels back on their feet. Bring them into the showroom and show them a nice EU, fully loaded with power everything and a 100,000 mile warranty... and they will buy it.

As far as the video is concerned, it is the creation of the US/EU. Ask yourself... why would they need civilians help? Are we suppose to fly over there and help fight? No... that's the US/EU building our support for whats coming next. Maybe they bomb the UK government. Maybe they give arms to the rebels.. whatever it is they need to gain our support of it. And all of this is to accomplish the goal of bringing the UK under the EU's control. The fake background noise on a loop was pretty funny too. Ever seen the movie "wag the dog"? This video reminds me of that lol.

If you really think about it, they are trying to suck us into the same trap they sucked the rebels into. They want us to support the fight to enslave the UK under the control of the EU.

[JohnyMac]

Once the Ukrainian populous started to move to join the EU Putin started to get his panties in a wad, because...

...the fly in the ointment - Russia is worried that the Ukraine will not just join the EU but NATO. Here are the countries who belong to NATO.

Please notice the newbie's:
> Albania,
> Bulgaria,
> Croatia,
> Czech Republic,
> Estonia,
> Latvia,
> Lithuania,
> Romania,
> Slovakia, and
> Slovenia.

Bottom-line most of the now independent Eastern European countries have joined NATO over the past 20 years. If the Ukraine goes EU the next step is joining NATO. This in theory would block Russia from the Black Sea. Here is a map.

Of course the NATO countries are pushing for the Ukraine joins the EU...Then NATO.

[Nemo]

Need to keep in mind that Russia has 7 major oil and gas pipelines going to Europe.  5 of those run through the Ukraine.  Those PRUB are toast. 

Nemo

[JohnyMac]

Yupper Nemo.

[rah45]

Snipers in Kiev shooting protestors.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dd7_1392895682&use_old_player=1

Don't know what they are holding. Unless those are some dense metal shields (I don't think they are, they are too mobile), they are useless against snipers. I do think the snipers are aiming for their legs intentionally, so it seems that they're trying to avoid shooting to kill?

[APX808]

Those shields are the police riot shields and homemade shields for rocks.
The people in the video didn't know there were snipers, those were the first victims of snipers.

In that video you can see some hit in the legs, but also guys dragging corpses.
That day more than 100 protestors were killed and around 500 wounded, so I think they weren't so concerned about protestors life.

Besides that, a .308 shot to a leg isn't a joke, they could die by blood loss very easily, and people trying to rescue the fallen protestors were shot at too.

[rah45]

Those shields are the police riot shields and homemade shields for rocks.
The people in the video didn't know there were snipers, those were the first victims of snipers.

Oh, I didn't know. How did you find that info?

In that video you can see some hit in the legs, but also guys dragging corpses.
That day more than 100 protestors were killed and around 500 wounded, so I think they weren't so concerned about protestors life.

I just assumed that they were dragging off wounded people, since the only ones I saw shot were shot in the leg.

Besides that, a .308 shot to a leg isn't a joke, they could die by blood loss very easily, and people trying to rescue the fallen protestors were shot at too.

No argument here. They were still shooting even when that medic went to one of the freshly wounded and was clearly unrolling a large, white bandage.

[APX808]

I've been following the Venezuela and Kiev crisis on Twitter and saw a lot of pictures and videos posted almost as soon as they got out. In one of the reports it mentioned to be careful because of the snipers and provided the video as proof mentioning that those guys have no clue what was going on.

At 2:02 you can see a guy with his head blown off laying on the right side, I have seen pictures of helmets with bullet holes.

There is people being dragged with their head hitting the floor and they don't even flinch, for instance the guy dragged at 1:43 is absolutely dead.

[rah45]

Oh, I see now. Damn, that sucks. All weapons are outlawed there? Nobody with hunting rifles and scopes to counter the snipers?

[crudos]

The idea of restraint against any protest was never the strong point of the former Soviet-bloc. I get the feeling there are plenty of ex-[Army/KGB/Politburo/other higher-ups] all trying to exercise dirty tricks for potential power gain afterwards. Unfortunately the people lose in most of the situations.

[Reaver]

And this is why I bury my shit. Pay attention ladies and gents. I'm not stealing shit to overthrow these scumbags, I'm just ganna dig it up.

[JohnyMac]

New or used bolt action trifle with detachable mag. $500-
New or used Weaver scope $100-
Box of hunting shells $30-

Reaching out and touching someone who is firing at you 200 yards away - PRICELESS!