This is why you always carry and carry a serious weapon

[USMC0331]

I'd sure feel better knowing I had 30+ rounds and an effective weapon in me then a 5 shot revolver.

http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1471585

Think this could be worse in SHTF? Plan accordingly, another good example of the need for low profile rigs that have ample firepower, and your ability to use it of course.

[Colombo]

They play that game with me they'll get a physics lesson on the order of 5800 pounds of steel bumper equipped truck, really piss me off or threaten family and chunks of jacketed lead start flying to the tune of 600+ fpe each.

I used to ride and I believe the rider that initially caused this incident should be both locked up for reckless driving and charged with inciting a riot.

[USMC0331]

Exactly! The takeaway for me is the "mob mentality" that springs up easily.

[thatGuy]

So you're intention is to carry an AR-15 with you everywhere you go?

Furthermore you intend to step into a mob like that guns a blazing?

Please explain to me how that isn't grossly irresponsible.

[USMC0331]

No,no,not applicable

[thatGuy]

How does it not apply? You said "I'd sure feel better knowing I had 30+ rounds and an effective weapon in me then a 5 shot revolver."

[Kentactic]

This guy in the SUV gets followed for a while. Eventually they catch him in traffic. The video ends at that point. I think they eventually got ahold of him.. you better believe I'd go guns a blazing if several men are trying to do unknown damage to me and I'm trapped. ESPECIALLY with family with me.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJSwdQQd97k&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[special-k]

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[Kentactic]

Look at all those pieces of shit go... if he wasn't on the phone with 911 dispatch he should have been. I just wish he could have seriously injured more of those dogs with his vehicle.

[crudos]

Just my opinion, but this video doesn't really go with the original title of this thread. Escalating a situation like this with a firearm is most likely going to end badly for all involved in a non-WROL scenario. In a WROL scenario, then by all means you should be packing serious firepower.

[Kentactic]

Just my opinion, but this video doesn't really go with the original title of this thread. Escalating a situation like this with a firearm is most likely going to end badly for all involved in a non-WROL scenario. In a WROL scenario, then by all means you should be packing serious firepower.

How do you not justify lethal force at the end of that video? Several dudes were trying to get to him. I'm guessing they did right after that video cuts away. He was totally trapped desperatly honking for cars to move. A helmet could easily kill you.

What's crazy is these bikers probably thought they were the good guys as they assaulted him.

[crudos]

It looked like one dude, and the others trying to drag helmet-smasher off. I agree that once the glass was broken, then lethal force was justified. But until that time, Landcrusier dude owned it to himself and family to avoid any further escalation. Remember, we just saw one point of view here.

[Kentactic]

It looked like one dude, and the others trying to drag helmet-smasher off. I agree that once the glass was broken, then lethal force was justified. But until that time, Landcrusier dude owned it to himself and family to avoid any further escalation. Remember, we just saw one point of view here.

Looking again I see two guys trying to break in. Then a third talks them out of it. Agreed he would need to wait until the glass broke or atleast the helmet was swingin his way.

Keep in mind this is the bikers point of view lol..


But this is a great reminder of why we need to carry.

[crudos]

It looked like one dude, and the others trying to drag helmet-smasher off. I agree that once the glass was broken, then lethal force was justified. But until that time, Landcrusier dude owned it to himself and family to avoid any further escalation. Remember, we just saw one point of view here.

Looking again I see two guys trying to break in. Then a third talks them out of it.

You could be right on that. Regardless, we don't know what happened before the video started to instigate the whole stupid situation, to were landcruiser-dude runs over the bike(s).

[Kentactic]

It looked like one dude, and the others trying to drag helmet-smasher off. I agree that once the glass was broken, then lethal force was justified. But until that time, Landcrusier dude owned it to himself and family to avoid any further escalation. Remember, we just saw one point of view here.

Looking again I see two guys trying to break in. Then a third talks them out of it.

You could be right on that. Regardless, we don't know what happened before the video started to instigate the whole stupid situation, to were landcruiser-dude runs over the bike(s).

True. But legally speaking under no circumstances do you chase dudes around town. The bikers were in the wrong from start to finish. If the SUV hit some one already prior to the video and kept going that's different.

[crudos]

True. But legally speaking under no circumstances do you chase dudes around town. The bikers were in the wrong from start to finish. If the SUV hit some one already prior to the video and kept going that's different.

I agree totally that the bikers were in the wrong to chase the family regardless of what happened prior.

[Currahee]

dude starts working on my window like that lethal force is justified- he's getting multiples COM, I bet that would end the situation quickly and all turds disperse.. if not the next one that moves towards me gets more.  (I would have already been on 911)

And I agree possibilities like that are why I have a semi automatic pistol and a reload whenever possible.

[USMC0331]

dude starts working on my window like that lethal force is justified- he's getting multiples COM, I bet that would end the situation quickly and all turds disperse.. if not the next one that moves towards me gets more.  (I would have already been on 911)

And I agree possibilities like that are why I have a semi automatic pistol and a reload whenever possible.

Exactly!

[JohnyMac]

I fired a handgun while seated in my old Explorer. Man O' man my ears rang for days.   

[Kentactic]

I fired a handgun while seated in my old Explorer. Man O' man my ears rang for days.   

I bet. Just be careful the ejected cases can crack your windshield. Ask TG.

[USMC0331]

One biker apparently cut the driver off and slammed on the brakes just before the SUV bumped his rear tire. But when Lien ? who was driving his wife, Rosalyn, and their 2-year-old child ? stopped, several bikers began to damage his SUV. Lien fled, striking one biker. But the group caught up to him and pummeled him before cops arrived.

All told he did a great job of protecting his family with the exception of being armed.  Drove out of the kill zone when they started to beat on the car, stayed at reasonable speeds to avoid his own wreck, got off the HWY ASAP and short of getting out and plugging anyone coming near his family showing intent to harm, he could not have done better.

Like C said, that guy smashing the window gets shot to the ground and anyone else that is stupid enough to keep coming at ya after that point. 

The big question...  would you have been armed and trained enough to have changed the ending where you are being beaten depending on LEO arriving to save your life?  If you answer anything but yes, fix that!

This was a normal sunny day, not SHTF...

[sledge]

Considering where this took place I'm sure that the bikers weren't too concerned about a guy in a Range Rover having a gun.  I'm not too sure about where you live, but around here you don't see any Range Rovers with bumper stickers that might say "USMC" or " Damn I wish it wuz huntin' season, cuz I feel the need to kill sumthin'"

My point being that his choice of vehicles screamed "I'm a weak ass yuppy, kick my ass and take my wife."

None of which changes the fact that the bikers were assholes that would have never gotten away with this crap anywhere except in the NE or the far west.  I wonder how many people up there that witnessed this even considered stepping in and helping him and his family? 
 

[Colombo]

One biker apparently cut the driver off and slammed on the brakes just before the SUV bumped his rear tire. But when Lien ? who was driving his wife, Rosalyn, and their 2-year-old child ? stopped, several bikers began to damage his SUV. Lien fled, striking one biker. But the group caught up to him and pummeled him before cops arrived.

All told he did a great job of protecting his family with the exception of being armed.  Drove out of the kill zone when they started to beat on the car, stayed at reasonable speeds to avoid his own wreck, got off the HWY ASAP and short of getting out and plugging anyone coming near his family showing intent to harm, he could not have done better.

Like C said, that guy smashing the window gets shot to the ground and anyone else that is stupid enough to keep coming at ya after that point. 

The big question...  would you have been armed and trained enough to have changed the ending where you are being beaten depending on LEO arriving to save your life?  If you answer anything but yes, fix that!

This was a normal sunny day, not SHTF...

So far I gotta disagree with the great job aspect you mentioned, the drive out and speed was the only thing I saw him do right (probably a little more speed than needed considering the threat level shown) . He shouldn't have left moving light traffic as his only apparent defense/offense was the mobility and size of his vehicle, by doing so he endangered his family and left their fate to the restraint showed by a few of the many bikers. Just my opinion he should have been laying on that horn, flashing headlights, e flashers should have been lit up, and driving to the nearest port authority area or visible patrol car and only then give up his mobility ( the GW bridge may have been ideal). Wife called for help immediately I hope. It'll be interesting to see how this incident turns out and more info.

[USMC0331]

Light traffic that he was already hemmed in once in?  Best to get off the HWY and find an LEO.  Having the wife on 911 giving turn-by-turns and being directed to a safe place would be optimal, but staying on the HWY with the bikers would be a no-go for me.

How do you find a port authority or patrol car without getting of the HWY?  I'm out West and Port Authority is at the shipping docks so I am likely missing something here.

@sledge,
you are correct, the story would be different had he been someone that prepped for such.  Just pointing a gun at the bikers after the initial escape might have kept them at bay and toned down the aggression a bit on their part.

There is a reason people don't do this crap in the NW (or when they do, it ends differently), we still have the right to carry guns and defend ourselves, NY... not so much.

[Colombo]

The port authority is law enforcement, he drove right past the George Washington bridge ramp leading to more than a little law enforcement presence I suspect, probably a bit of dhs attendance there now too. Probably the most fear and panic the guy has had to deal with, he got lucky everything turned out as mild as it did. The start of the video looks suspiciously like a block in and brake insurance scam to me, the van driver needs to be found and questioned as the flow of bikes seemed to isolate the rover against it (never heard of anyone trying it with bikes though). Could also be arrogant bikers playing at traffic control for their little p.r. get together.