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Offline NOLA556

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the dilemma
« on: August 13, 2012, 11:38:16 PM »
ok. President. does this office hold much significance any more? many argue that it doesn't. occasionally I'll agree with that line of thought. but then you have to take a step back and look at the sheer number of executive orders that are issued during a presidential term, and the effects that said orders have, and you quickly realize that the office is significant indeed.

that brings me to my next point. Barry vs. Romney vs. Johnson.

I think it's pretty safe to say that we all agree that Barry is a no-go. that leaves the good old faithful (lol) GOP pick, or the useless, go-nowhere, "standing up for my principals" 3rd party vote. decisions, decisions.

here's how I'm thinking these days:

I'm aware that Romney is no better than Barry, BUT... consider the fact that if he is elected, he'll be another first-term president. which means that any major gun laws are off the table if he wants to stand a fuck's chance in a church of getting re-elected. the exact same reason why our current Fuhrer hasn't gone that route yet. that's about the only reason I can conjure up that I MAY vote Romney.

on the other hand, I don't mind Johnson. seems like a decent enough guy. obviously much more in line with my way of thinking. but when you cast the vote for Johnson, you go into it fully aware that there's no chance of victory. you're simply making a statement. in fact, as much as I HATE to agree with the typical neocon GOP types, they are kind of right when they talk about splitting the anti-obama vote. all the RP libertarians that vote Johnson are basically handing Barry a second term on a silver platter.

so... wtf do we do?

this topic is wide open for discussion.
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Re: the dilemma
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2012, 11:48:54 PM »
Obviously "they" already told you who you are going to vote for. its not up to you if you want Obama out. I agree Romneys the same thing but like you said its just safer being it will be Romneys first term. But the fact that we have degraded to "lets just keep one term presidents in so they are less likely to screw us out of our rights" is sad... This is why i dont vote...

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Re: the dilemma
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2012, 12:16:41 AM »
Well if you vote GOP (R&R), then your just saying the status quo is fine and dandy.

The upcoming election (whatever year) is always the one that people say if we don't elect [insert name here] then [insert opponents name here] will ruin the country. But next election we will vote our hearts and get a third party candidate in there.

That is the same line recycled election cycle after election cycle. But funny thing is, no one ever has enough balls to make a third party more viable and practical. Well we now do in Gary Johnson. Now is the time to get off the GOP drug the media that keeps us addicted to useless old men and their power. Time for the power to go back to the people.

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Re: the dilemma
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2012, 12:59:57 AM »
Im voting Obama, to hell with slowing down the train!! I want the the damn train to roll off its tracks!

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Re: the dilemma
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2012, 10:45:31 AM »
ok. President. does this office hold much significance any more? many argue that it doesn't. occasionally I'll agree with that line of thought. but then you have to take a step back and look at the sheer number of executive orders that are issued during a presidential term, and the effects that said orders have, and you quickly realize that the office is significant indeed.

that brings me to my next point. Barry vs. Romney vs. Johnson.

I think it's pretty safe to say that we all agree that Barry is a no-go. that leaves the good old faithful (lol) GOP pick, or the useless, go-nowhere, "standing up for my principals" 3rd party vote. decisions, decisions.

here's how I'm thinking these days:

I'm aware that Romney is no better than Barry, BUT... consider the fact that if he is elected, he'll be another first-term president. which means that any major gun laws are off the table if he wants to stand a fuck's chance in a church of getting re-elected. the exact same reason why our current Fuhrer hasn't gone that route yet. that's about the only reason I can conjure up that I MAY vote Romney.

on the other hand, I don't mind Johnson. seems like a decent enough guy. obviously much more in line with my way of thinking. but when you cast the vote for Johnson, you go into it fully aware that there's no chance of victory. you're simply making a statement. in fact, as much as I HATE to agree with the typical neocon GOP types, they are kind of right when they talk about splitting the anti-obama vote. all the RP libertarians that vote Johnson are basically handing Barry a second term on a silver platter.

so... wtf do we do?

this topic is wide open for discussion.


NOLA, politically speaking, the only REAL question that matters even a bit, is LA a swing State?  How often has it gone Democrat in the past 8 presidential terms? 

You see, my vote is lucky for me, Georgia is a Republican State, we control it like a mother fucker, we are not a swing State, and so, with a clear conscious I can vote for the man, who I believe has the best character, principles, prove leadership and management abilities, without worry about who is going to win my State and my State's electoral votes, because I know 100 percent it will go to Romney, the demographics haven't changes here enough, yet, to make me worry.

However, for those of you out there who live in a swing State, the choice is a little bit more difficult for you, but as for me, even if I was in a swing State, I would still vote for the man with the best character, principles, proven leadership, the MOST fiscally conservative, the most social liberty, and management abilities.

I just believe in voting my principles THAT much.  I feel I owe it to the person who is out there busting his ass everyday, and wasting God knows how much money to try and win an election and get this country RIGHT again. 

That's just me, and I'm sure everyone has a different opinion.

For all of you that forget this, presidents are not voted in on the popular vote, they are voted in by the Electoral College of each State.  If you vote for Mitt, and Obama wins, then your vote literally doesn't count at all towards voting in Mitt, because ALL of your State's electoral votes then go for Obama. 

Check out how our presidential election system works with the electoral college, it might help you make a more informed decision about your vote.

Also, to add to the discussion, our founding fathers are rolling over in their graves right now at how presidents have WAY too much power and influence over the country, and they would be shocked we let it get this far in the first place.  The president was NEVER supposed to have this much power.  They almost act like little petty dictators now, and everyone just accepts it.   [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

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Re: the dilemma
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2012, 10:47:18 AM »
Im voting Obama, to hell with slowing down the train!! I want the the damn train to roll off its tracks!

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Re: the dilemma
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2012, 05:20:47 PM »
Good points EJR. This election will be decided by 4-6 states (Electoral college). My guess is: FL, N.C., VA, PA, OH., WI.

Ryan does not come across as an old time GOP Representative. I think he "hangs" with the other Tea Party Reps in the House. I am sre that many of you will jump all over me with statements like: "The Tea Party has been taken over by the GOP." Well if that is true Boehner would have had an easier time of controlling them. Heck look at what is happening with Isner Vs. Holder. He Boehner must be pounding his head against the wall.  :))

NOLA, I agree with much of what you have written with one caviot. My vote is for the guy who has the best plan to reduce debt and get this economy moving again. This will be accomplished by folks who are more fiscally responsible, believes in small business, wants to roll back restrictions on businesses and says things like "Your rights were given them to you by God not the government."

Talking about small business: Gap and EJR are starting a business. How tough has it been just to receive your License? Can you imagine the restrictions you will be in front of you if Barry gets re-elected?

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Re: the dilemma
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2012, 07:14:33 PM »


NOLA, I agree with much of what you have written with one caviot. My vote is for the guy who has the best plan to reduce debt and get this economy moving again. This will be accomplished by folks who are more fiscally responsible, believes in small business, wants to roll back restrictions on businesses and says things like "Your rights were given them to you by God not the government."




well that's just the thing JM, Romney and others like him talk a hard game about lowering taxes and allowing small businesses to thrive.. yadda yadda... if I remember correctly Obama talked a pretty hard game in '08 on the topic of ending the wars and a metric shit ton of other false promises. Bush's foreign policy during his original 1999/2000 campaign was no nation building.... you see where I'm going with this.

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Re: the dilemma
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2012, 07:33:52 PM »
What else has Ryan voted for/ not voted for.

Don't get caught up on the hype. Heck Barry said a couple of days ago that he wants to take over more businesses like he did for GM.

Here is a two (2) year history of GM: https://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:GM

Companies the size of GM = a direct correlation between health and the NYSE. Just a FYI: For GM to pay back in entirety for the Barry Bail-Out, the stock will need to get to $40- a share.   

Do we/you want Barry to take over more businesses? OMG!

Our salvation is understanding what is happening.

1) An unencumbered business can bring our country back, and
2) You any many others may hammer me for this but we are turning our backs with the covenant the United States has with God.

I have said it and opened up the sluice to all kinds of ridicule that will bestow upon Old JohnyMac.

What is happening now, not unlike what happened to the German citizenry in the '30's, is happening now. Are we going to stand up against Barry or not is your choice.

I think we all stand up daily by having a garden. I think we stand up to Barry by canning, by PREPPING! I equate Barry to that big idea that "we can't take care of our selves."

Will you vote to extend the BS that is happening or to take a gamble and vote on the the new guy. Heck I have no problems holding Mitt or Paul's heels to the fire too.  :))

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Re: the dilemma
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2012, 07:58:27 PM »
JM I don't have a problem with anything you've said. I just don't think that a vote for Romney is a "gamble", I honestly think it's a vote for more of the same. yet I don't want to "throw away my vote" on 3rd party.. so to speak. it's the whole point of this thread. there's so many variables that it leaves me wondering exactly wtf I should do.

so, point is, I WANT to vote for Paul, but that pipe dream is over. I'd LIKE to vote for Johnson, but that's a pipe dream that will soon be over. and, IMHO, Barry and Romney are one in the same.

it truly is a lose-lose for us.
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Re: the dilemma
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2012, 08:56:29 PM »
I laugh at my rants. NOLA, sorry to be a bore.

Here's the deal: I am all in favor of voting someone in and then holding their feet to the fire. I will write letters and appear in their offices in Washington. I have done that often - Ask US Representative Ciclline and Senators Whitehouse & Reid.

To point: I was in DC a few months ago. I had a few hours to kill so I dropped by Reid's office. Upon entering his reception area, an Aide shut his office door; turned to me and said, "Senator Reid wasn't in right now." I was stoked because they knew who I was before I into'd myself. I can only surmise he left out the back door. :-))  :-)) I guess all of those hand shake & kiss babies events didn't go well with him when I attended.

This election is not a vote for Barry or Mitt; it is a vote for Marxism or Capitalism. It is up to the people to decide what road we go down. I trust the people. And then to hold their representatives accountable.

If Mitt wins, I will be knocking on his door like I have done with a bunch of my states Reps. My wife told me the other day, "You just have no decorum." Well that comes from a lady who was introduced to 'then Senator' Chafe and she won't shake his hand. In fact she said something to the effect, "I think you suck because you don't stand behind President Bush!" and walked away.

She ran into him again a few weeks later and he tried again to win her over. My wife just ignored him. I wasn't there but a friend who was there told me it was like a puppy following a master wanting praise.  :-))

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