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Offline JoJo

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I don't understand!
« on: September 29, 2016, 03:47:31 PM »
I think there are a few on this board that can explain to me what happens to the average person if this
"global-financial-collapse" happens. (looking at you JMac) I have a few questions

 1-like what will the start look like? 
 2-Will the Dollar lose it's value and become worthless?
 3-If the Dollar becomes worthless how long will the process take, day, week or months?
 4-Does the process matter by who wins the election, faster, slower or not at all?
 5- Is it not if but when? 

Also what the hell is (‘just-in-time’ supply chain contagion.) Apologize for my language.

global-financial-collapse

The coming banking collapses, and the coming failure and disintegration in the global financial system (monetary, credit, and financial asset meltdown), is going to be fast and chaotic — and will crush society and the way of life as we know it.

What will be the mechanism of the societal crush?

An intertwined systemic banking crisis coupled with a ‘just-in-time’ supply chain contagion.


 

    The likelihood of a food security crisis within days in the directly affected countries and an exponential spread of production failures across the world beginning within a week.

    This will reinforce and spread financial system contagion.

    The longer the crisis goes on, the greater the likelihood of its irreversibility. This could be in as little as three weeks.

    -David Korowicz, “Trade-Off: Financial System Supply-Chain Cross-Contagion”

 
The systemic risk:
In the globalized economy, the growing complexity of interconnectedness, interdependence and the speed of processes (‘JIT’ just-in-time), coupled with the de-localisation of production have magnified global vulnerability and opened up the possibility of a rapid and large-scale collapse.

When you think about it, it makes sense. It’s logical. It’s complicated, but then again it’s not…

In a complex and interdependent economy, fewer failures are required to spread cascading failure through socio-economic systems. The risk of cascading failure occurring has increased significantly and will result in a sort of ‘domino effect’ of failures that unfortunately most people have problems seeing or planning for.

The likely cause of such an event would be a large-scale financial shock.

 
The scenario:

    Failing banks, fears of currency re-issue, fears of further default, collapse in Letters of Credit, and growing panic directly quickly shut down trade in the most affected countries.

    As the week progresses factories close, communications are impaired, social stress and government panic increases. After a week almost all businesses are closed, there is a rising risk to critical infrastructure.

    Almost immediately internal trade and imports stops in the most affected countries, and there is impairment in a growing number of other countries. Trade is impaired globally via a credit crunch.

    This undermines exports from some of the most trade-central countries, with some of the most efficient JIT dependencies in the world. This cuts inputs into the production and trade into countries that were initially weakly affected by direct financial contagion.

    Globally, the spread of trade contagion depends on complexity, centrality, and inventory times and once a critical threshold is passed spreads exponentially until the effect is damped by a large-scale global production collapse.

    Once the financial system contagion crosses a particular threshold the destabilization of the globalized economy will be exceedingly difficult to arrest; this point may be in as little as ten days.

    Once a major system collapse occurs, scale, hysteresis, entropy, loss of critical functions, recursion failure, and resource diversion is likely to ensure that the features associated with the previous dynamic state of the globalized economy can never be recovered.

 
CONCLUSION:
We are living in an unprecedented time of growing risks within a complex inter-dependency of major global systems for our very survival. We need to transition out of, and prepare for, a system which is seemingly teetering towards collapse and failure. Should the dominoes start falling, it will already be too late to significantly prepare. I do not know when this will happen, but I believe that it will happen. It will be life-altering and devastating (and deadly) for many. While even the prepared will be affected, those who stick their head in the sand will be affected much worse.

http://modernsurvivalblog.com/systemic-risk/the-coming-societal-crush-from-disintegration-in-the-global-financial-system/#more-46518
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Re: I don't understand!
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2016, 05:02:34 PM »
JoJo you bring up some great questions. I can give my opinion which I will do however I expect all of us to jump in with your/our thoughts too.

Can't do it this minute as I have to split for our Monday Bible Study group being held tonight.

I will leave you with this though: Just in time inventory was created as more and more businesses moved to monitoring their inventories by computer. As you know the second most costly thing when running a retail business is inventory, with payroll being first. So to keep inventories low businesses us a just in time inventory mind set.

In theory if it all works correctly, each item in a store has a min/max set up. The item is automatically ordered/replenished when the min is hit and it is replenished up to it's max. So if a widget has a 2-5 min/max when the widget sells down to 2, automatically the store receives 3 to equal 5.

So the thought process is that the 2 will be enough until the 3 arrive. The best case scenario would be, as the last widget is being removed from the shelf by the consumer there is more coming into the backroom to replenish the shelf.

You can see what could happen if that process is disrupted like, EMP, riots not letting supply trucks through, closed roads, fuel shortages, etc.

More later.  :cheers:
« Last Edit: September 30, 2016, 09:16:05 AM by JohnyMac »
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Re: I don't understand!
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2016, 06:01:45 PM »
OK.....

Gonna chime in he with a short thought.

I am increasingly thinking that the whole global financial collapse thing is a red herring.

Recessions and depressions are plausible.

Yet a collapse may not be an issue.

We all agree that the global financial markets are centered on funny money now.

So since there in not a single country in the world that backs up their financial standing on tangible assets. How can the system completely fail?

It is all funny money that can be created on a whim.

Now if a non connected and non dependent nation was to take the effort to make their economy to have a firm basis of real assets. Then that country could then call in debts of other countries and cause a collapse. Yet there is no one that is in that position.

I may be wrong in this though.

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Re: I don't understand!
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2016, 07:34:31 PM »
oops my error
If you need a second magazine, its time to call in air support.

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Re: I don't understand!
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2016, 07:36:33 PM »
OK.....

Gonna chime in he with a short thought.

I am increasingly thinking that the whole global financial collapse thing is a red herring.

Recessions and depressions are plausible.

Yet a collapse may not be an issue.

We all agree that the global financial markets are centered on funny money now.

So since there in not a single country in the world that backs up their financial standing on tangible assets. How can the system completely fail?

It is all funny money that can be created on a whim.

Now if a non connected and non dependent nation was to take the effort to make their economy to have a firm basis of real assets. Then that country could then call in debts of other countries and cause a collapse. Yet there is no one that is in that position.

I may be wrong in this though.


So country red pays country blue in red money.  Red money is worth 3X blue money.  Red country wants more stuff from blue county and just prints more money.   Does not take long for any country to just print to get whatever and prices go way way up.

The problem will become IMHO similar to Germany in the 1930s.  It got to a point then that inflation was such that people would go to work at 8am, get paid at noon in cash and they would go shopping to try to beat the afternoon price increases and go on from shopping again on the way home spending the afternoon earnings.

I can easily see a similar situation here, as in the late 70s.  Remember mortgage APRs of 15-20 percent for the gold customers.  Add that to gas prices in the range of $8 a gallon with no pay raises.  No car sales, no one can afford to go to work or buy groceries because prices are so high factoring in the delivery and etc costs and the stores have nothing to sell because they cannot afford to buy because they have no cash flow due to no customers.  Spreads worldwide and get going faster an faster and the drain is circled.

Then things get into the handbasket quick.

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Re: I don't understand!
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2016, 04:26:02 AM »
Its not a big mystery, its already happened in Argentina and a few other places.

Do yourself a huge favor and go to google.

Ok, got it.

Now type in "Fer Fal Argentina"

He's a prepper living in Argentina.

Click on his blog and start reading from the beginning.  There, all better now.

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Re: I don't understand!
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2016, 05:04:23 AM »
Cool thanks for the input all.

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Re: I don't understand!
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2016, 08:18:37 AM »
@Nemo
the slide in each country would be individual and based on their currency/gvt debt policies.
in the end you would likely enter a period of prolonged stag-flation.  so, say, 20 years of high interest stifling business and high inflation.  it would allow anyone - think the 1% - to do what they did in the great depression and buy out real assets for pennies on the dollar.
I'm guessing it would - as in the Weimar Republic or Greece - wipe out anyone on a fixed income.  Then eat up all the savings of the middle class.  I think the dividing point between the classes would be those who use cash for all transactions and those who had assets in commodities/real property.  it increases the divide between the have's and have not's.  The property tax system in the US of A would work to transfer real property to the have's and leave the have nots in the same state as medieval serfs in Europe.  So how do you accomplish this without fomenting a rebellion :)

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Re: I don't understand!
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2016, 10:23:58 AM »
Some thoughts on your question (s).

1-like what will the start look like?
   It could be like we read in James Rawles book, "Patriots" which was a slow collapse leading up to a quick final blow
   or it could all come crashing down quickly like in 1929. Remember, back in 1929 there really was no global economy like
   we have today. 

2-Will the Dollar lose it's value and become worthless? Yes. So will the €, £, ¥... et cetera.
3-If the Dollar becomes worthless how long will the process take, day, week or months? If the BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India
   China) have their way, it would be tomorrow. There is a movement to go to a global currency driven by China & Russia. It will eventually
   happen. This one of the reasons for a push to eliminate currency and have folks only use debit cards in lieu using
   credit cards. In essence, if the worlds economy's continue to increase their debt, this is the only way to save the
   worlds economy's.

4-Does the process matter by who wins the election, faster, slower or not at all? I think we are headed for tough times
   in 2017. In all fairness, I have been predicting for the last four years that the economy will collapse. The reason it
   hasn't is because all governments have been pushing easy cash into the system, ALA Quantitative Easing. This is in
   part why interest rates are <3%. This one thing has buoyed the stock market. As Mr. Trump stated during this past
   Monday's presidential debate, the stock market is one big bubble waiting to pop.

5- Is it not if but when?  Yupper. I think back to Mark 13:32-33

32 But as for that day or hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 33 Be on your guard and stay alert! For you do not know when the appointed time will come.

Much of the economic stats that are coming out of the government (s) is underplayed if it is bad or over played if it is good. Here are some facts:

> 2016, Q1 the GDP was .8%, Q2 1.2%, Q3 FCST 1.5%. Yearly FCST is estimated to be 1.5% down from the origional
   estimate of 1.7%. What does this all mean you ask - Well for a economy to start to grow the GDP needs to be > 3%.
> Can't find a number of Shipment, Inventories and Orders for Jan-August however I read the word contracting Shipment, Inventories and Orders YTD for   2016.
> U6 Unemployment pretty flat at 9.7% with a 10 Bpnt +/- up/down per month. Bottom-line it ain't going down.
> Folks in the labor force who can work but do not is now 59.7% vs. a high in 2007 of 63.1%. Ot 59.6% in 2009 during
   the height of the 2008 recession. So no new improvement.
> 41M Americans are on food stamps today vs. 26M in 2007. The height of SNAP was 47M in 2013.

I could go on and on however what it all says to me, we are in a stagnate economic situation that is just barely positive because of our economy being buoyed for optics by the current administration. Once (if) the change of power happens in the White House, we are open to a serious economic collapse on par with 1929.   

More to come as I think it through JoJo.   
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« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2016, 10:43:17 AM »
Just saw this graph which I think is foretelling of 2017.



Here is the link to the article.
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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2016, 10:54:46 AM »
More facts...
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    The World Trade Organization cut its forecast for global trade growth this year by more than a third on Tuesday, reflecting a slowdown in China and falling levels of imports into the United States.

    The new figure of 1.7 percent, down from the WTO’s previous estimate of 2.8 percent in April, marked the first time in 15 years that international commerce was expected to lag the growth of the world economy, the trade body said.

    The figures should be a wake-up call for governments, WTO Director-General Roberto Azevedo said in the six-monthly trade outlook report.

    “We need to make sure that this does not translate into misguided policies that could make the situation much worse, not only from the perspective of trade but also for job creation and economic growth and development which are so closely linked to an open trading system,” the report quoted him as saying.

    The data underlined concerns that, after a long period of growth through globalization and reliance on global trade, governments are increasingly seeking to protect their own industries and promote domestic producers at the expense of foreign competitors.

    Although all governments deny protectionism, trade is no longer outpacing economic growth as it used to. Trade has grown 1.5 times faster than gross domestic product over the long term, and twice as fast when globalization picked up in the 1990s.

    This year trade will grow only 80 percent as fast as the global economy, the WTO said, the first reversal of globalization since 2001 and only the second since 1982.

    “I am absolutely convinced that this is not a moment to turn inward,” Azevedo told a WTO conference. The benefits of trade should be shared more widely, he said, with a system that does more to include poor countries, small firms, marginalized groups and entrepreneurs – an apparent nod to anti-globalization activists who say that secretive trade talks are exclusively aimed at helping big business.

    Azevedo said four out of five job losses in industrialized countries were not due to competition from cheap imports but to automation and efficiency campaigns that allowed firms to cut their workforce.

    “This is not a rose garden,” he said." ...https://mishtalk.com/2016/09/27/wto-slashes-global-trade-forecast-by-39-since-april-wake-up-call-says-wto-director/

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