Shooting in Chattanooga

[Grudgie]

So I guess we have all heard by now. Mr. Shithead blah blah Mohamed decides to go shoot up a bunch of military targets. This incident is a little close to home for me. He shot up the exact same Marine recruiting office that I was recruited from back in 2011. Then he drives right In front of the community college that I currently attend and goes on to a Navy reserve base up the road where he guns down 4 unarmed Marines. It's kind of an eye opener. I'm now considering some kind of rifle to keep in the truck or something.. I mean dam. Maby a Garand with armor piecing .30-06.

All those whites and blacks and Asians living in Chattanooga and one[\b] Muslim ass wipe goes and does this.

[thatGuy]

Damn Grudgie, why not just tow an 88mm behind the truck?

[JohnyMac]

Now a 88mm would certainly make a statement 

Grudgie,
Nothing beats a Ruger Mini 14 Ranch rifle with a 20 rnd mag sitting under the back seat of a truck.

[gadget99]

RIP BROTHERS

[Grudgie]

Damn Grudgie, why not just tow an 88mm behind the truck?

Well I figured the .30 Ap would come in handy if Mohomed used his car as cover or if I needed to kill him from behind a concrete wall. And the fact that he might be wearing armour.

Grudgie,
Nothing beats a Ruger Mini 14 Ranch rifle with a 20 rnd mag sitting under the back seat of a truck.[\quote]

I'll keep that in mind.

[Nemo]

I saw that on the news.  Shame is that could have easily been prevented or limited to one Marine and one dead moslem if active duty military members were routinely permitted to carry a sidearm.  It is permitted in Ga routinely by need no CCW license either. 

Shame is military does not routinely permit it.

Nemo

[JohnyMac]

A little history is called for here.

Military Gun Free Zones came about by DOD directive 5210.56 in February 1992. That would have been under George H.W. Bush. It was reissued in April 2011 by the DOD as Department of Defense Directive 5210.56.

Now a bit of unsolicited commentary from old JohnyMac 

One day citizens around the world will eventually come to the conclusion that we are at war with ISIS and it's proxies. The USofA is one big-ass prime target just waiting for the soldiers of Islam to wreck havoc in/on.

May I suggest brothers and sisters that we travel well armed and be ready to jump into action when the opportunity arises. I suspect the chances of this happening will increase as we approach 2017.   

I am done now 

[brat]

EVERY MAN IS A COUNTER TERRORIST

So consider the following – if you can, be armed always.  Yes…I know.  But consider the implications.  Of the ten dead civilians in France, how many would have willingly disobeyed unconscionable laws in order to stay alive?  If it is difficult, learn to conceal the weapon better.  At the very least have a knife with which to stab a terrorist to death....................

If you look like the King Of Comedy rather than the King Of the Cage, put down the fucking remote and get your ass in fighting shape.  The terrorist coming to kill you has taken his fitness seriously…do you think he is kidding?

If you are armed your life is easier.  Resist the temptation to leave the real sized fighting gun at home and go forth with some “civilian friendly metro sexual” pistol. Anyone can carry a full sized fighting pistol with a little fore thought and care in dressing for the weapon.

Consider that a terrorist event like what we saw in France is not the same as a CCW self defense encounter with concerns over legality, disparity of force, or liability.  The moment that it is a terrorist event, all other concerns are non-issues.  And a man or men with masks and rifles classifies as that.

Learn to shoot accurately at distance.  There were guys photographing and videotaping the assassination of the French police officer.  A good practiced hand with a proper pistol might have killed one or both of those terrorists at the distance.

There will be no warnings, no posting and challenging, only recognition of threat and escalation of violence…or as I term it, “getting ahead” of the fight by shooting.......... Yes, there is a chance you will be killed by the terrorist…but you will be killed anyway.  And how do you want to look for the Crime Scene photos?  Under a desk hiding with a terrified look on your face and a back full of 7.62x39 rounds, or a smiling corpse on a mountain of brass and dead terrorists? I pray if I am given that choice I will be the guy in the second image.  But…but, you might not be either one.  You might survive and win if you are decisive enough, accurate enough, and violent enough.  Let us all be those things.

paraphrased from Gabe Suarez

[sledge]

I would add training to the equation.  Both to manipulate your firearm and to frontload your reactions. 

The Fight, Flight, or Freeze Reaction

We strongly suggest that any individual who has made the decision to legally concealed carry a firearm for self-defense, undertake additional training in the use of their firearm.  The Florida Concealed Carry Permit only requires a gun safety class.  To effectively utilize your firearm during a stressful self-defense situation will require additional training in the defensive use of a pistol.   

The reason that this addition training is important and necessary is that every human body reacts in exactly the same way to a life threatening situation. We go into fight, flight, or freeze mode. It's in our DNA and goes back to man's earliest days. In those days humans were faced with a great many dangers. If they could outfight the danger, they fought. If they could outrun the danger, they ran. If for instance they were facing a bear or a tiger and could do neither, they froze in place.

In response to danger, our bodies automatically go through a change when it enters fight, flight, or freeze mode. Our blood vessels constrict to reduce potential blood loss. Our peripheral vision goes away and we have tunnel vision to focus on the threat. Our muscles tense in order to be able to spring into action and our hands and fingers don't operate smoothly. Lastly, there is a massive adrenalin dump on the brain and the rest of the body.

This is the reason that police officers who can stand on a range and hit the bulls eyes for hour upon hour, in an actual gun fight can only hit their target less than 15% of the time. See report:

http://www.theppsc.org/Staff_Views/Aveni/OIS.pdf

Have you ever heard a police officer or soldier talking about a gunfight where “they fell back on their training”? The limitations of the human body in fight, flight, or freeze mode is exactly what they were talking about.

Let me explain with a scenario. You are walking down a city street in the evening, it's quite dark and you are thinking that the city should put more street lights in this area. All of the sudden an ominous looking man with a gun jumps out as you approach the corner of a building. He is yelling obscenities and telling you to give him all of your money or he'll kill you (insert MF or bitch here).

You will instantly go into fight, flight, or freeze mode. Most likely freeze mode because of the massive adrenaline dump on your brain. This is in fact what many professional criminals depend upon. To be sure, if the criminal robbing you see's you as a threat he is also going through his own fight, flight, or freeze mode.

The difference is that while you are trying to reason out what to do in your mind during this massive adrenaline dump. He has already played the scenario out in his head many times and has already reasoned in his mind what to do. He has “planned”. That's if he hasn't robbed people many times before. He is in essence “falling back on his training”.

This thing about thinking through dangerous scenarios is the reason we find that in life or death situations, say a terrible car crash, most people freeze while a couple of people react in a manner that saves life. These people are usually hailed as heroes. But what makes them different than those people who froze is that they have already thought through similar situations and are reacting accordingly.

So in order to use a firearm effectively in a spontaneous life threatening situation, you need previous training. There are two types of firearms training that you can undertake, live fire and firearms simulator training. And each provides things that the other cannot.

Live Fire Range Training

While live fire range training cannot provide you with response skills in a defensive gunfight. It can provide you with information that is very important in that situation. How your individual gun behaves and is manipulated when it is fired.

In a defensive gunfight to save your life, you need to fire as many accurate rounds at your target as as you can. And you need to do this as quickly as you can. Unlike the movies, bad guys don't just drop when hit by one or two rounds unless they are hit in the head or the spine. This is regardless of caliber. They may have been hit with a fatal round, but they don't die immediately and they are still a threat.

To accomplish firing quick accurate rounds you need to know and manipulate two things about your individual pistol. How much muzzle flip does it have when a round is fired, and where is the point that the trigger resets at. The only way to learn this information is at a live fire range. Be aware that your individual pistol's muzzle flip will be different with different types and brands of ammunition. If you are practicing only with cheap ammunition at the range, you're not going to know how your individual pistol will react with more expensive defensive ammunition in the magazine.


Firearms Simulator Training

While a firearms simulator will not teach you how your individual pistol will react when it is fired, or how to manipulate it.  A firearms simulator will, however, under the guidance of an instructor, provide your brain with practiced responses to life threatening situations where a gun is involved in self-defense. In essence it front loads responses to situations so you don't have to reason out instant decisions while your brain is undergoing an adrenaline dump. It enables you to “fall back on your training”.

The firearms simulator does this by subjecting you to a multitude of lifelike scenarios that you have to respond to. The scenarios take place in every type of setting that you can imagine, in a home, business, car, on the street, in your yard, …..........    It does this against different types of weapons and attacks.   In a firearms simulator you learn when to pull a trigger in self-defense, and when not to.  Those are good things to have in your “ fall back on your training” bag.

http://www.tacticalsecurityandsafety.com/concealed-weapons-permit.html

[JohnyMac]

Your company Sledge?

[sledge]

Your company Sledge?

Alas, yes.  But a more adequate description would be more like "my headache".  I meet a lot of great people and organizations, but as of late I've also been meeting some that I won't work with for a variety of reasons, signed release or not.

[JohnyMac]

Cool beans! 

[Nemo]

My thoughts on all of that, and a major reason I went from a small 5 round Charter Arms 38 to a S&W Model 59 in 9mm, and not unusually a second magazine on board this bod.

Also, I have one of those shirts and routinely wear it.  Generally with open carry when I do.

Nemo

[crudos]

Hugh points being made in this article. And again, shows how the lack of direction, purpose and commom sense will ultimately screw over any cause no matter how just. Unfortunately, this is very common occurrence in the general prepping community.

http://popularmilitary.com/after-action-report-how-americas-volunteers-protected-their-troops-screwed-it-up-and-what-we-can-learn-from-it/

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Look, I’ll be frank here- I am okay with this gesture. I’m okay with small groups doing it, but I am also going to advocate not looking like a soup sandwich when you’re doing it, coming to a consensus for responsible Standard Operating Procedures, strict Rules of Engagement and OCD-grade weapons discipline.

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