Author Topic: Finally Some Good News  (Read 964 times)

Burt Gummer

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Finally Some Good News
« on: March 22, 2014, 08:18:48 AM »
So it seems that the politicians of Georgia have gotten their communal heads out their asses and realized there won't be cozy office in their near future so they passed:
"The Most Extreme Pro-Gun Bill in the Country"!

http://www.gpb.org/news/2014/03/21/georgia-expands-gun-rights-defers-medical-marijuana

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Remove fingerprinting for renewal of Weapons Carry Licenses (WCL).
- Prohibit the state from creating and maintaining a database of WCL holders.
- Create an absolute defense for the legal use of deadly force in the face of a violent attack.
- Remove the sweeping restrictions on legally carrying a firearm with a WCL in churches and bars, leaving this decision to private property owners.
- Lower the age to obtain a concealed WCL for self-defense from 21 to 18 for active duty military, with specific training.
- Allows for the use of firearm sound suppressors while hunting.
- Repeal the unnecessary and duplicative state-required license for a firearms dealer, instead requiring only a Federal Firearms License (FFL).
- Prohibit a ban on firearms in public housing, ensuring that the right to self-defense should not be infringed based on where one calls home.
- Codify the ability to legally carry, with a WCL, in sterile/non-secure areas of airports.
- Include a provision that would have the state report those persons who have been involuntarily hospitalized or have been adjudicated mentally deficient to the NICS system while also providing an ability for relief through an application process to the court system for the purpose of restoration of rights.
- State that under a declared state of emergency, all law-abiding gun owners will not have their Second Amendment rights restricted or infringed by executive authority through Emergency Powers protection.
- Strengthen current firearms preemption statutes through further clarification of the regulatory authority of local governments, excluding firearm discharge ordinances.

sorry to hear about medical marijuana though  :(

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Re: Finally Some Good News
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2014, 08:37:12 AM »
I love it!

Will Gov. Deal sign it, veto it or let it sit on his desk 40 days so it becomes law by default.

Gap, Rah - What do you think?
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Re: Finally Some Good News
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2014, 11:31:25 AM »
Oh look, one of those few moments where I can get attention!!!  >:D

Here's the long story, which I'm telling because you want info on Deal. This requires some explanation.


Yes, EJR914, me, and a lot of others in Georgia have been actively pushing for a month or two now to help pass this legislation. Because of the Senate, we actually had to sacrifice (completely) campus carry, and church carry is "opt-in" (meaning it's not legal to enter a church armed unless you obtain permission from the lease-holder of the private property first!). One of our "compromises" to the Senate was allowing them to add an amendment that "allows" hunters to hunt with suppressors (though anyone can pay the tax and own a suppressor, you just couldn't HUNT with it  :facepalm: ). Oh, and the bill called them "silencers."  ::)

Anyway, up until a couple of hours before the end of the legislative session for the year, the House and the Senate were  :yesno: , with the House being more pro-gun and the Senate wanting to allow as little freedom as possible through their fingers. Sad, considering that we have a Republican SUPERMAJORITY and should be able to pass these bills no prob. Anyway, the Senate has torpedoed this same bill for the last two years by some devious maneuvering. However, this is an election year, and many of our House Reps were determined to fight to get the majority of the issues passed. The House did some clever maneuvering of its own (thanks nominally to Chairman Powell, Rep. Rick Jasperse and a few others), and we ended up getting around an intended Senate subcommittee sabotage. Essentially, the House was able to secure HB 60 for passage by Sine Die, which passed by almost 2/3 of the House. Just waiting to see what Deal will do.

Now, there's your backstory. What you don't know is that Governor Deal and Lieut. Gov. Cagle have been behind some of the sabotage during this year and the past two years. This year, a "phone call" (from Deal or someone representing him) killed campus carry in HB 875 in the House subcommittee, before HB 875 could get to the House floor for a vote. In the Senate judiciary subcommittee, one of the senators, Stone, accepted the nomination as a judge ($120,000/yr salary), offered by Gov. Deal, in return for gutting the best parts of HB 875. However, the House learned this before the committee meeting, and while Stone & Co. were busy killing HB 875, the House took a different bill that had already passed the Senate vote, HB 60, and amended it to include all the language of HB 875 (not including campus carry). HB 60 thus became the revitalized pro-gun bill, and only needed its amendments approved by the Senate (thus bypassing the Senate subcommittee and forcing the entire Senate to vote on the record during an election year). So, we got what we did because the House was forced to resort to Senate tactics...smart, but should never have been necessary in a state with a Republican supermajority in the legislature.

Deal is running for reelection partly on a pro-2A stance on his website, which states that he has always approved pro-2A legislation that crosses his desk. So, he either vetoes it and forgoes his promise, ignores it and lets it become law by default, or "endorses" it by signing it for his campaign propaganda.

Governor Nathan Deal does not wish for Georgians to carry in church, in government buildings, on college campuses/on college-owned property, and he has no scruples regarding using unorthodox/illegal methods to get his way. Same goes for Cagle. I didn't vote for Deal the past election - I voted for a more Libertarian-oriented candidate. I sure as hell will not support him this year. By the same token, many of the Republicans in the Senate and the House are RINOs, and only voted pro-gun because it is an election year. Those people who showed resistance to voting pro-Constitution will not be getting my vote.

Deal is a conniving, two-faced politician (poli = many, tic = parasite), Cagle is similar, and many of the other politicians in the capitol share the same traits. We're fortunate that we have such gun organizations as GeorgiaCarry.Org, a local pro-gun rights organization that has been fighting to restore our liberties for over a decade. They play the game, they get to know our representatives by name and in person, and they get the job done. If ANY of you have a similar organization in your home state, I humbly suggest that you get involved with it ASAP, find out what the issues are in your state's House and Senate regarding firearms, and work with them to restore (or defend) your rights. Just getting on FB and sharing info, getting others interested, can help.

Regarding the marijuana bills...I know that the cannabis oil bill passed, and the medical marijuana bill ALMOST passed. I don't know exactly what happened, other than in the final amendment process, someone decided to add a bunch of stipulations that couldn't be agree on. Sounded like someone wanted to kill the bill in the end.

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Re: Finally Some Good News
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2014, 11:36:25 AM »
Got this from a reliable source who stated it was from the Guvs website.  So he should sign it.

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As governor, Deal has signed every pro-gun rights bill to reach his desk. Sticking to his conservative principles, he will not support any changes to Georgia’s Stand Your Ground law. In his second term, Nathan Deal will continue to support pro-gun legislation and will always fight to protect our Second Amendment rights.
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Re: Finally Some Good News
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2014, 12:52:09 PM »
Here's an overview of the organizations involved (that I am aware of) in supporting or opposing the pro-gun bills:

GeorgiaCarry.Org (GCO) - Pro-gun lobby organization that has produced positive, excellent results over the past decade in reducing restrictions on firearms possession and carry in Georgia. Their leaders and members have worked nonstop throughout this entire session to stay close to our pro-gun lawmakers in order to understand and out-maneuver the opposition this year. GCO has always gone above and beyond in this fight to restore our 2A liberties. It's not an "all or nothing approach," but it has worked for years, and it definitely worked this year. One day, with GCO's help, we'll restore constitutional carry in Georgia.

NRA - Bloomberg money was funneled into the Moms Demand Action organization, which actively campaigned in Georgia against the bills. I'm not usually pro-NRA, as they seem to pick and choose which states and which liberties to protect as suits them and their agenda (getting money, staying relevant). However, the NRA really stepped up this time, serving as the pro-gun gorilla to counter the anti-gun gorilla. It really helped to counter anti-gun propaganda and lobbied directly in the Georgia House and Senate on our behalf. That was a real help, and evened the odds somewhat, especially since so many pro-gun Georgians are NRA members.

Georgia Gun Owners, another Georgia organization, didn't do much more than rail against the pro-gun House for "letting" the pro-gun bill(s) get watered down to anything less than constitutional carry. The successful way to get it done is piecemeal, which has succeeded over the past decade in restoring many of our firearms rights. GGO didn't really do anything positive, and really just complicated the entire situation. I don't remember the name of their parent organization, but it's a national organization that has a tendency to fight for "no-compromise" solutions but ends up just taking in a lot of money and killing off pro-gun bills that restore firearms rights gradually.

Gun Owners of America...I didn't see anything during the session regarding direct involvement from GOA (of which I am a member), but they did keep their membership updated on the bills. I don't know if it's a financial block or if they just failed to come to our aid...I'm not jumping to conclusions. They've had a decent track record so far, and they don't have the resources of the NRA.

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Re: Finally Some Good News
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2014, 01:31:27 PM »
Great overview Rah  :thumbsUp: Thanks.
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Re: Finally Some Good News
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2014, 11:43:56 PM »
You are so right Rah it makes me cringe. The only reason this bill needed to be passed is because in the past some dirtbags (politicians) passed anti gun laws with impunity. Now if these dirtbags can get reelected because of repealing/pasting over them, they will be able to pass all sorts of other crummy laws that the next guy can repeal and get elected.

And the wheels on the bus go round and round.... :suicide: