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obama: complete drawdown of us troops by end of year iraq
« on: October 21, 2011, 06:14:53 PM »
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/report-obama-to-announce-complete-drawdown-of-u-s-troops-in-iraq/

loool just a few years to late...as promised. i fucking hate this asshole.
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Re: obama: complete drawdown of us troops by end of year iraq
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2011, 06:48:36 PM »
Two quick things:
1. He's desperately trying to stay in office.

2. *puts on tinfoil hat* Is he bringing the troops home to be redeployed in the U.S.?
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Re: obama: complete drawdown of us troops by end of year iraq
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2011, 06:51:14 PM »
I'll believe it when I see it.  Besides, he said Iraq....not Iran....and anyone who's been paying attention should be getting the feeling that something might be going down.

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Re: obama: complete drawdown of us troops by end of year iraq
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2011, 06:51:59 PM »
skippy kilted, great points

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Re: obama: complete drawdown of us troops by end of year iraq
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2011, 10:17:44 PM »
So any bets on when the Persians are gonna move in and set up shop? Ya know, more than they already have.

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Re: obama: complete drawdown of us troops by end of year iraq
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2011, 10:35:11 PM »
hmmm unnerving indeed

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Re: obama: complete drawdown of us troops by end of year iraq
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2011, 01:03:37 AM »
$757,000,000,000 later...

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Re: obama: complete drawdown of us troops by end of year iraq
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2011, 01:33:26 AM »
Good points guys. but wouldn't going into Iran be political suicide for Obama and any senators or congressmen who support it? It seems to me that Washington has pretty much squandered its patriotic currency already. I mean if they thought they could have done another full on war, our involvement in Syria would have been much bigger. Or maybee Washington figures we haven't pissed off enough countries in the Arab world. Some people arent happy untill they start WWIII.
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Re: obama: complete drawdown of us troops by end of year iraq
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2011, 01:41:03 AM »
Good points guys. but wouldn't going into Iran be political suicide for Obama and any senators or congressmen who support it? It seems to me that Washington has pretty much squandered its patriotic currency already. I mean if they thought they could have done another full on war, our involvement in Syria would have been much bigger. Or maybee Washington figures we haven't pissed off enough countries in the Arab world. Some people arent happy untill they start WWIII.

you think Bush would have been re-elected if it weren't for 9/11? we'll go into Iran if we have a serious "reason" to go. I'm fucking tired of everyone saying *putting on tin foil hat* before they say what they really feel. we all know it's true. no sense cheapening it with admissions of "tin foil" and that kind of BS.

anyone who doubts it isn't paying any damn attention. regardless what country we decide to "liberate" next... you know it will be SOMETHING, SOMEWHERE. just be ready when the fucking shit goes south, because you know it's going to.
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Re: obama: complete drawdown of us troops by end of year iraq
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2011, 02:14:22 AM »
If I'm not mistaken historically the way to get out bad economic times is war. With the world turning as it is Operation Global Liberation is just down the road.

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Re: obama: complete drawdown of us troops by end of year iraq
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2011, 08:23:07 AM »
Troops massing in Kuwait.  Most of the troops will "withdraw" to there.  You do the math on the rest.
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Re: obama: complete drawdown of us troops by end of year iraq
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2011, 11:14:20 PM »

Hang on to your asses gentlemen.

I think this adequately describes the situation we are entering.  You've had 3 years to watch Obama.  So tell me.  Do you really think if he feels he is going to lose the Presidency that we'll ever see a photo op of him waving as he boards Marine One on the day he moves out of the White House? 

I think as far as he's concerned in hanging on to the Presidency that "nothing" is off the table.  I've always said that if the situation he finds himself in now ever occurred it would be a very dangerous time.  Well, we're here.   
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Re: obama: complete drawdown of us troops by end of year iraq
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2011, 09:44:22 AM »

Hang on to your asses gentlemen.


I think this adequately describes the situation we are entering.  You've had 3 years to watch Obama.  So tell me.  Do you really think if he feels he is going to lose the Presidency that we'll see ever see a photo op of him waving as he boards Marine One on the day he moves out of the White House? 

I think as far as he's concerned in hanging on to the Presidency that "nothing" is off the table.  I've always said that if the situation he finds himself in now ever occurred it would be a very dangerous time.  Well, we're here.   


I second this.  And Pakistan is also on the verge of war with us.  Not to mention that Afghanistan has said they would back Pakistan if they go to war with the US.  Oh, and why would we want to have elections if we are in the middle of a world war?  Remember also that at least Russia has said they would back Iran in a Iran/US conflict.

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ISLAMABAD ? Afghanistan would support Pakistan in case of military conflict between Pakistan and the United States, Afghan President Hamid Karzai said in an interview to a private Pakistani TV channel broadcast on Saturday.

The remarks were in sharp contrast to recent tension between the two neighbors over cross-border raids, and Afghan accusations that Pakistan was involved in killing the chief Afghan peace envoy, former Afghan president Burhanuddin Rabbani, by a suicide bomber on September 20.

"God forbid, If ever there is a war between Pakistan and America, Afghanistan will side with Pakistan," he said in the interview to Geo television.

"If Pakistan is attacked and if the people of Pakistan needs Afghanistan's help, Afghanistan will be there with you."

Such a situation is extremely unlikely, however. Despite months of tension and tough talk between Washington and Islamabad, the two allies appear to be working to ease tension.

In a two-day visit to Islamabad, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton issued stern warnings and asked for more cooperation in winding down the war in Afghanistan, but ruled out "boots on the ground" in North Waziristan, where Washington has been pushing Pakistan to tackle the Haqqani network.

The Haqqani are a group of militants Washington has blamed for a series of attacks in Afghanistan, using sanctuaries in the Pakistani tribal region along the Afghan border.

Pakistan is seen as a critical to the U.S. drive to end the conflict in Afghanistan.

Pressure on Islamabad has been mounting since U.S. special forces found and killed Osama bin Laden in May in a Pakistani garrison town, where he apparently had been living for years.

The secret bin Laden raid was the biggest blow to U.S.-Pakistan relations since Islamabad joined the U.S. "war on terror" after the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States.

Karzai said tensions between the United States and Pakistan did not have any impact in his country's attitude toward Pakistan.

The TV channel, Geo, did not say when the interview was conducted.

Afghans have long been suspicious of Pakistan's intentions in their country and question its promise to help bring peace. Karzai repeated that concern in his remarks.

"Please brother, stop using all methods that hurt us and that are now hurting you.

"Let's engage from a different platform, a platform in which the two brothers only progress toward a better future in peace and harmony," he said.

Following the death of Rabbani, Karzai said he would cease attempting to reach out to the Afghan Taliban and instead negotiate directly with Pakistan, saying its military and intelligence services could influence the militants to make peace.
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Re: obama: complete drawdown of us troops by end of year iraq
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2011, 09:48:08 AM »
I know it's something kind of fucked up for me to say, but I'm actually excited to see what/how it all goes down. I mean, win or lose, all of this will one day be in a history book.


Whatever you believe it, whatever you're going to do, YOU are going to write history. Let's just hope that good triumphs.

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« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2011, 10:02:45 AM »

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Re: obama: complete drawdown of us troops by end of year iraq
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2011, 04:47:37 PM »
Outonowhere I'm not an easy one to make speechless.  But the section of your post shown below took all of my words away.   :o  I know it is probably the truth.  But for Karzai to come right out and say it just blows me away.  Iraq would probably side with Iran or Pakistan if we wind up ever fighting them.  Maybe we would be better off just lighting up that whole part of the planet.
 
ISLAMABAD ? Afghanistan would support Pakistan in case of military conflict between Pakistan and the United States, Afghan President Hamid Karzai said in an interview to a private Pakistani TV channel broadcast on Saturday.




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Re: obama: complete drawdown of us troops by end of year iraq
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2011, 05:09:40 PM »
Outonowhere I'm not an easy one to make speechless.  But the section of your post shown below took all of my words away.   :o  I know it is probably the truth.  But for Karzai to come right out and say it just blows me away.  Iraq would probably side with Iran or Pakistan if we wind up ever fighting them.  Maybe we would be better off just lighting up that whole part of the planet.
 
ISLAMABAD ? Afghanistan would support Pakistan in case of military conflict between Pakistan and the United States, Afghan President Hamid Karzai said in an interview to a private Pakistani TV channel broadcast on Saturday.

well sledge, what would you expect from a country that's located in a region that the U.S. has been decimating since 1953? people get all up in arms when Ron Paul says he doesn't blame Iran for pursuing nuclear power. I don't blame the motherfuckers either. of course I don't like the idea of it, but do I BLAME them? fuck no.

fact of the matter is that there are no "good guys" anymore. just a bunch of governments that don't represent anything but their own pocketbooks fucking people over all over the world. we're no different. there's nothing wrong with patriotism, but BLIND patriotism is nothing to be proud of.

this is going to be a bumpy fucking ride for EVERYONE.
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Re: obama: complete drawdown of us troops by end of year iraq
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2011, 05:27:15 PM »
Oh, I forgot.  We're the bad guys who cause all of the problems in the world.  Maybe, if as a country, we had just done one decent thing along the way the world would be a better place.

What a bunch of crap.


I have a Japanese friend who told me that "America is not as good as we think we are.  And America is not a s bad as most of the world thinks we are.  If it wasn't for America the world would be a much worse place." 
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« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2011, 06:07:55 PM »
Is it all Americas fault? Hell no. But I'll be hard pressed to say that they haven't helped in putting us in the shit bucket we're in. Everyone has. But, in all honesty, America is one of the bigger reasons as to why we are where we are now.


Sure, America has done both good and bad things. But, ask yourself, do those good things make those bad things just, disappear?

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Re: obama: complete drawdown of us troops by end of year iraq
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2011, 06:28:37 PM »
Oh, I forgot.  We're the bad guys who cause all of the problems in the world.  Maybe, if as a country, we had just done one decent thing along the way the world would be a better place.

What a bunch of crap.


I have a Japanese friend who told me that "America is not as good as we think we are.  And America is not a s bad as most of the world thinks we are.  If it wasn't for America the world would be a much worse place."


well dude I didn't say all THAT! I'm not trying to argue that America is the source of the world's problems, only that the people that govern this country are no different from many of the world leaders that we love to condemn. we were once the greatest human experiment on earth. we were once the envy of the world. it's not society's fault that we're in the shape that we're in. it's the very things that the founders warned us about that are destroying this country, and the world.

all I was saying originally is that this notion that the U.S. is always the "good guys" is a dangerous one. I would imagine that many impressionable Germans were thinking something similar in the early 1930's.

what motivated me to say what I said is the fact that you claimed to be blown away by the fact that the Afghan president would take such a stance as he did. think about it. how many civilians have died, not only in Afghanistan, but all over the middle east, as a result of our meddling. (anything regarding their own domestic problems is not my concern.. if they want to destroy each other then fuck 'em, it's none of our business).

this is something I always like to bring up when debating with someone who supports the U.S.'s "promotion of democracy" across the globe... so, why don't we go to China to "promote democracy"? or Russia? dare you argue that those places treat their people in a humane way? of course not. those governments actively censor all the information that their people are exposed to. those governments actively FORCE their preferred lifestyle on the population. those governments are just as oppressive if not MORE than the one's that so many Americans have no problem sucking up OUR tax money to "liberate". so, the question stands. why don't we just go into THOSE countries and "promote" democracy? (then, the conversation usually leads to...): ok so, it's only the countries that we can easily defeat that need "liberating"? why is there no great humanitarian NATO occupations of China? the Chinese government dictates to it's citizens how many children they're allowed to have for fuck's sake! and which one's are deemed more "valuable" than others based on gender! where's the international outcry?

you say that the world is a better place because of the U.S.
I won't argue that. I'm sure there's a bit of truth in it. but sledge, do you subscribe to the CONUS? is a poor person's life better after recieving loads upon loads of government assistance? well sure it is. but does that make it right? fair to those who were forced at IRS gunpoint to pay for it? constitutional?

can you REALLY not understand how the leader of a country who's been occupied by the U.S. military for the last 10 years, and who's country is arguably WORSE than it was before, would be just a LITTLE BITTER??!?

sledge, I'm not trying to be combative or hostile here, but this topic kind of touches a nerve. I await your response, not to "argue", but because debate is healthy. I'm just reminding you not to take it the wrong way. all is well, buddy.

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Re: obama: complete drawdown of us troops by end of year iraq
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2011, 08:33:32 PM »
I haven't got much time to debate anything.  Living Dead will be on soon.  I didn't say I was shocked that Karzai felt that way.  I said I was surprised that he would come out and say it. 

Frosty if you don't like the things that America has created. Whatever, I don't care.

NOLA, the experiment is still under way. 



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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2011, 09:14:18 PM »
Frosty if you don't like the things that America has created. Whatever, I don't care.

Did I say that I didn't? No. Like I said, they have done BOTH good AND bad. You either accept that, or you don't, doesn't matter to me. All that matters is that we are where we are now because of many factors, many of which stem from America.


Does that mean I dislike America? Fuck no. I still may very well MOVE to the U.S., because there are move freedoms than here in Canada. I even consider myself a 3%er.


This thread is really off track. If y'all want to continue, we should make a new thread.

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« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2011, 10:15:07 PM »
I really don't feel like continuing it.  I recognize the bad things, the things a hijacked gov has pulled.  But I see way more good than bad.  This experiment in freedom continues.  Although I don't hold out much hope for it unless the younger generations look back to where their country came from and why it was founded.  They sure aren't taught much about it in school unless it can be turned into a negative. 



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« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2011, 11:17:23 PM »
I really don't feel like continuing it.  I recognize the bad things, the things a hijacked gov has pulled.  But I see way more good than bad.  This experiment in freedom continues.  Although I don't hold out much hope for it unless the younger generations look back to where their country came from and why it was founded.  They sure aren't taught much about it in school unless it can be turned into a negative.


that wont happen, the gov controls the children's educations...