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[Nemo]

discussion of what we have yet won't admit to ourselves.

Nemo


https://reason.com/2019/10/03/let-us-now-thank-donald-trump-for-revealing-brutal-truths-about-how-power-and-privilege-operate/

Donald Trump
Let Us Now Thank Donald Trump for Revealing Brutal Truths About How Power and Privilege Operate
The president has turned "business as usual" into a national scandal.
Nick Gillespie | 10.3.2019 12:15 PM

As the impeachment of Donald Trump becomes increasingly popular—45 percent of Americans now support the investigation of the president over his dealings with Ukraine—nobody knows exactly how it's all going to play out. But this much is gloriously clear already: The behavior revealed in call transcripts, the emerging parallel story line about Joe Biden's son Hunter, and Trump's refusal to go gentle into that good night are forcing us all to come to terms with ugly truths about how power operates.

Because Trump is cartoonishly simple, he is revealing of how things actually work; we can see in him the moves and machinations that more sophisticated and suave operators are able to mask. The real test for the country is whether we will use this moment to admit we've been living all sorts of lies that we choose to obscure with soaring political rhetoric and false politeness. Whether Trump is removed by the Senate, fails to be reelected in 2020, or serves a second term, we need to restructure the size, scope, and spending of government so the political class isn't able to wield so much power.

Trump's presidency is like an immersive production of Eugene O'Neill's The Iceman Cometh, a play set in a New York saloon populated by beaten-down drunks and prostitutes who swill booze all day while lying to themselves that they're about to get their lives back on track and finally fulfill their dreams. A couple of times a year, a hard-drinking traveling salesman named Hickey comes to town and leads the rummies on a bender. But as the play unfolds, Hickey arrives sober as a judge and methodically works his way through the characters, forcing them to acknowledge they are living total lies before admitting that he has murdered his wife and turning himself into the police (The Iceman Cometh debuted in 1946, so all spoiler alerts are off.) Like Hickey, Trump is forcing us to come to terms with the vast gulf between the falsehoods with which we comfort ourselves and the realities we know to be true.

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continued GO FINISH READING IT
you will thank me for that at the end

[Kbop]

that article has a good point. 
 

[JoJo]

that article has a good point. 
 

 But he questions statements proven to be false.

[Kbop]

@JoJo
I'm a bit leary of echo chamber reporting - things get spun beyond any thing that reflects the origonal statement or intent.
But i do think Trump is a good example of how 'entitled' people, like Hilary C. or De blasio behave.

[grizz]

WOW!!

Calling Trump a politician is hilarious..

He's a businessman and running this Country like a business while following what the Founding Fathers envisioned.

The problem lies within congress and the people who have been there for decades, regardless of party affiliation. Politician should not be a career and should never allow the benefits follow the person after their term. Hell their benefits should be no more than those for Veterans.

[Kbop]

calling a person who has bankrupted - what 6 companies - a business man may be as much of a stretch as me calling him a politician.  A business person has a responsibility to the investors, employees and his company.  unless you claim the losses were to the benefit of the business partners - then i question your assertion.

for crying out loud, one of Trumps claims during the lawsuit about his "Trump Wealth Institute and Trump Entrepreneur Initiative LLC" was;
that the people who signed up were stupid because they should have looked up is business history.
and, please remember several of the lawsuits weren't about contractual differences of opinion - several were actual fraud torts.  or - deliberately misleading people.  this is more fitting a scam or con - not a valid business venture. 

granted i'm not a business person myself and he's lost more money than i'll ever make.  But by definition, he is a politician, good, bad or indifferent.

[grizz]

I disagree and I have owned businesses. Businesses fail for countless reasons and having one go bankrupt is not uncommon. Its always better to cut your losses than to keep dumping money into a loosing project, its that simple.

I don't know where you heard about his statements regarding a lawsuit but I have my doubts as to its accuracy

[Kbop]

sure i agree business is a tough game - and most fail.
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so this explains the Fraud in a Trump owned real estate 'university'?
i can't find the statement attributed to him in the fraud depositions - so i'll call that 'fake news'.