no criminal charges for pepper-spray-cop

[thatGuy]

Nola,

I thought I would speak to it.

Everytime I edit or delete a post someone comes at me with that Free Speech stuff and it really grinds my gears. I thought I should go on the record and speak to my views on the First.

[NOLA556]

here's a few heartwarming examples. keep an eye on the dates of the videos. i didn't have to go dig for this stuff, this is all in my current youtube subscription list.

Cops Pull Innocent Women & Children From Their Cars And Hold Them At Gunpoint

Charges Dropped After Local News Runs Story About Seattle Police Retaliating On Man Who Complained

Police Kill Double Amputee In A Wheelchair Who Threatened Them With A PEN

and this isn't from youtube, but it is also a current story, not just something I dug up.

http://co-ironwill.blogspot.com/2012/09/cops-raid-wrong-house-kill-owner.html

NOTHING TO SEE HERE, JUST THE BAD APPLES...

[Kentactic]

Whats the end goal of this thread. Seems we are off the OP topic. And im not one to bitch about being off topic because development of conversations creates new topics. But where are we going with this? not a loaded question just curious...

[NOLA556]

Whats the end goal of this thread. Seems we are off the OP topic. And im not one to bitch about being off topic because development of conversations creates new topics. But where are we going with this? not a loaded question just curious...

lol. well i started out just sharing something about cops that pissed me off. everything got off topic after some comments that were removed (i never saw them, but apparently they were questionable enough to be removed), and now I'm returning to the original sentiment of the thread: examples of bad LE behavior and the institutionalized corruption that allows them to get away with that behavior, which seems to be the norm, not the exception.

[thatGuy]

Personally I see no point in showing example after example of the elites enforcers getting away with criminal acts. We all know it happens and there isn't a damn thing anyone can do about it, we aren't willing to play the cards we are holding.

[Kentactic]

Personally I see no point in showing example after example of the elites enforcers getting away with criminal acts. We all know it happens and there isn't a damn thing anyone can do about it, we aren't willing to play the cards we are holding.

I understand what your saying TG as we all know its happening.

If some one feels the majority of the police are bad guys... arent they already on their way to the "gas chamber" by their own opinion? For those that feel we are being policed by evil people it would seem your numbers up and you have no choice but to take to arms. Why are you still sitting down?

My goal isnt to get them to "stand up" dont take me for a pot stirrer. My goal is to make a point that you must not truely beleive beyond a reasonable doubt that what you speak is true if your not taking action but even if with a pen... i think in your own opinion a pen has failed you so that time is over for you.


I dont mean to put words in anyones mouth so correct me where im wrong but its my opinion that if you beleive mostly evil people control you, you must have no choice but to fight fire with fire.

[Kentactic]

Its my opinion that the pen has with out a doubt failed us. Its also my opinion that things havent become as bad as some are claiming. But if the pen has failed me am i now required to use the sword?

Its very difficult for a person to bring hell onto themselves... this is why jews walked into gas chambers by the hundreds all gaurded by one man with a rifle. We as humans have a survival instinct to avoid risk to our lives aslong as possible. This will likely be our downfall like so many before us.

Again... not trying to talk revolution...although the revolution has gone on for many years already... i think its safe to say most here just want to stop this revolution from progressing any further. But anyways...

[NOLA556]

honestly, if it weren't for "preaching to the choir" this website wouldn't exist. you may as well do away with the News, Politics, Off Topic, Top Secret, General Discussion, and Weapons boards.

does it actually accomplish anything to repeatedly show examples of things that most of us already know? nope, sure doesn't. not everything that comes out of my mouth is intended to accomplish a specific goal, and the same goes for thread topics. a long while back, I stepped on a piece of glass and opened up my foot pretty good. I let all you guys know not to be an idiot like me, and wear shoes so you don't make the same goofy mistake I made. did I REALLY need to tell you guys to wear shoes so you don't step on glass? no.

[thatGuy]

Don't get me wrong Nola, it is appalling that this cop got away with spraying those hippies in the face with mace like he was watering his wife's flower garden.

I mean, if I can't do it why does he get to do it?

Fuck hippies.

[NOLA556]

Don't get me wrong Nola, it is appalling that this cop got away with spraying those hippies in the face with mace like he was watering his wife's flower garden.

I mean, if I can't do it why does he get to do it?

Fuck hippies.

lol.

so I've recieved word that it may be a good idea to just lock this thread. I'm not going to do it but I won't put up a fight if someone else does it. no hard feelings here.

[Grudgie]

What I am saying is that Free Speech was never Protected Speech. In America you have always been free to speak your mind just the same as someone else was free to take offense to it and demand satisfaction.

If you denied a gentleman's request for satisfaction he had the right to chastise you publicly for the rest of your days as a coward. To the extent of taking out adds in the paper and printing handbills.

And all that is to say you were dealing with a civil person, what I just described was the hight of civility. A coarser man would just beat the fuck out of you and his defence in court would be that you offended him and his honor. Typically the court saw these cases as a waste of time unless very serious damages were done.

So you are looking at a world where you were free to say as you pleased and someone else was free to relieve your face of its teeth. That is something I can believe in.

So let me get this straight. You deny people the ability to say what they want because dueling is no longer legal/socially acceptable.

You sir, are an affront to my honour. Pistols at dawn. Or shall it be fisticuffs?

But seriously really? It sounds to me that you don't like people talking about free speech when you as the Admin are the one that restricts it. So you come up with some lame excuse about how it was the norm 150 years ago to duel those who insult you and thus, people who speak freely are cowards.

It is really quite simple broseph. You either respect RS7's right to speak about offensive things or you suppress him and regulate what he says for public appearances.

I'm not really buying the calling people coward thing.

[NOLA556]

What I am saying is that Free Speech was never Protected Speech. In America you have always been free to speak your mind just the same as someone else was free to take offense to it and demand satisfaction.

If you denied a gentleman's request for satisfaction he had the right to chastise you publicly for the rest of your days as a coward. To the extent of taking out adds in the paper and printing handbills.

And all that is to say you were dealing with a civil person, what I just described was the hight of civility. A coarser man would just beat the fuck out of you and his defence in court would be that you offended him and his honor. Typically the court saw these cases as a waste of time unless very serious damages were done.

So you are looking at a world where you were free to say as you pleased and someone else was free to relieve your face of its teeth. That is something I can believe in.

So let me get this straight. You deny people the ability to say what they want because dueling is no longer legal/socially acceptable.

You sir, are an affront to my honour. Pistols at dawn. Or shall it be fisticuffs?

But seriously really? It sounds to me that you don't like people talking about free speech when you as the Admin are the one that restricts it. So you come up with some lame excuse about how it was the norm 150 years ago to duel those who insult you and thus, people who speak freely are cowards.

It is really quite simple broseph. You either respect RS7's right to speak about offensive things or you suppress him and regulate what he says for public appearances.

I'm not really buying the calling people coward thing.

listen up young buck, 1A doesn't apply here, nor does it apply in your house, or my house. the bill of rights applies only to equality IN THE EYES OF THE LAW. yes, the law. that means that I have 100% control over what is allowed and what is not allowed in my own house. that means that TG has control over what is and is not allowed on the website that he pays the bill for.

do I think that some of the things that TG says and does on this site are fucking stupid? you bet your ass I do. (yea, that's right TG I'm calling you out bro  )
but at the same time, this is a privately owned site.
I believe in 1A just as strongly as all of you, but I'll be damned if I allow someone to say whatever they want in my own living room. this really isn't a very difficult concept.

I get my ass reamed all the time for the shit that I say on this forum. it aggrivates the hell out of me that I can't say everything I want to say, but as stated before, this isn't a public arena, we're not talking about freedom of speech in the eyes of the law, we're talking about speech that is acceptable to the owner of a piece of private property.

[Grudgie]

That's great bro. More power to you. So that guy is against free speech in his house but he is for free speech in the government's house. Got it. Crystal clear.

You guys have to understand that I am not directly calling you hypocrites but sorry if that's how you're taking it.

[NOLA556]

That's great bro. More power to you. So that guy is against free speech in his house but he is for free speech in the government's house. Got it. Crystal clear.

You guys have to understand that I am not directly calling you hypocrites but sorry if that's how you're taking it.

well I'm not speaking for TG, I'm speaking for myself. don't draw any conclusions until he responds on his own.

here's a good example for you. let's say that some clown joins this forum and starts spouting shit about: "kill all the jews", or "fuck niggers! put 'em back in the fields!"... they have a right to spew that garbage on the street if they want, and they will be judged by the people who pass them by, but in the end, it's only their own dumb self that is judged.

now think of that shit being allowed on our forum. all it takes is one liberal troll, or one DHS fusion-center asshole to find that post and instantly, we're ALL labeled as white-supremacists, and it would fit nicely into their agenda.

here's another good one. let's pretend that there's a big protest going on. let's say that the protest was organized by patriotic 3%'er types. and all the sudden a bunch of neo-nazi-types decided to show up. the nazis aren't there to counter-protest, they're just there to lend their support and stand with the 3%'ers. do YOU want to be standing next to some neo-nazi asshole? do YOU want some local news camera to get footage of you at a protest standing next to some fucking asshole with a swastika on his arm and his hand raised in a nazi salute? I doubt it. in reality, you'd do everything you could to distance yourself from that trash.

think about this shit dude, it's not nearly as unreasonable as you think it is.

[thatGuy]

I like where you are going with that Nola, it will serve as my reply.

[EJR914]

Yeah, I don't like what that LEO did to those kids, and yet again, I don't know the scenarios, either.  Its just a clip.  Was the area where those hippies were sitting blocking traffic or doing some else?  I don't know.

I would have much rather the LEO's just grab them and move them, then to pepper spray them first.  The pepper spray might have been over kill in my mind.  It does sort of just look like the police state run crazy, and I don't like the way it looks, but at the same time, its just pepper spray.  Its not a bullet from a gun.  Its not like this was Tiananmen Square.  When the government or national guard start shooting and killing innocent, peacefully protesting citizens, well I think all of our time will come.  Until then, hold steadfast.

[Kentactic]

? Armed Citizen Militia Shows Up At Occupy Phoenix Alex Jones' Infowars There's a war on for your mind!

[NOLA556]

lol.... JT Ready...  [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

[Kentactic]

lol.... JT Ready...  [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

I dont get it?

[NOLA556]

he's a blemish on our image. i like what he did at that protest, but he's still a douchebag neo-nazi, and a murderer and a self destructing coward. and decent groups like us are lumped in with POS's like him.

[APX808]

About JT Ready... No comments, just  [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
http://abcnews.go.com/US/arizona-neo-nazi-sheriff-candidate-killed-family/story?id=16269803#.UGi2elH75dU

[FULL] Horrific JT Ready 911 Call (White Supremacist Kills Toddler and Family)

About the protest and the militia guarding it:

I think is cool the militia guards the protestors, but if the police gets the order to disperse the protest that will end pretty fucking bad

And from a politician point of view ITS A FUCKING AWESOME way to finally destroy all the militias in the US, lets see what could happen

A politician gives the order to the police to disperse the protestors
Police uses pepper spray and batons (Non lethal weapons)
If one of the militia guys reacts badly they can arrest him
If one of the militia guys shoots, is use of lethal force and they can kill him and the rest of the militia unit
If the militia unit kills or wounds a LEO, besides that the author is going to the most wanted list, the politicians get an excuse to tag all militias
as terrorist groups and fuck them all.

As you can see, all the options result in the militia and its members being totally screwed.

Also is worth to consider that politicians don't give a flying fuck about the well being of LEOs, so they can give the order to disperse the protestors
even knowing that there is armed people guarding them, and as I told before, if a LEO is wounded/killed is even better.

Think about it, peaceful protest is a extremely valuable tool, guns are for when there is no other way.

[Kentactic]

I accidently ran accross this video of militia gaurding th OWS protesters and i find the one bastard who ends up murding his whole family, dammit... lol

But beyond all that.....

Did any of the protesters that day get pepper sprayed or anything of the sort? I dont know but if you do then speak up. I cant imagine they did though. Which lends itself to my point. People holding guns get respect. Yes things can go way worse then peaceful protesting. But with no risk comes no reward. Or what i always like to say, "Scared money dont make money". The decision for things to become way worse is in the hands of the LEO's ultimately.

[APX808]

The decision for things to become way worse is in the hands of the LEO's ultimately.

The decision is in the hands of the government, LEOs do nothing without someone giving the order. LEOs are pawns.

[APX808]

Did any of the protesters that day get pepper sprayed or anything of the sort?

That isn't conclusive, there were tons of occupy protests in the US without pepper spray and without the militia on guard.

[NOLA556]

I accidently ran accross this video of militia gaurding th OWS protesters and i find the one bastard who ends up murding his whole family, dammit... lol

But beyond all that.....

Did any of the protesters that day get pepper sprayed or anything of the sort? I dont know but if you do then speak up. I cant imagine they did though. Which lends itself to my point. People holding guns get respect. Yes things can go way worse then peaceful protesting. But with no risk comes no reward. Or what i always like to say, "Scared money dont make money". The decision for things to become way worse is in the hands of the LEO's ultimately.

I agree 100%. it's unfortunate that you used JT Ready as your example... lol *facepalm*, but you didn't know. as far as the point that you were making, right on. you hit the nail on the head.