Unchained Preppers
General Category => News & Politics => Topic started by: thatGuy on March 05, 2012, 11:36:01 AM
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http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a549416.pdf (http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a549416.pdf)
They have redesigned the M855, new designation 856A1 to come on line by the end of the year. Check out the slides. They say it out performs 308 ball ammo against steel and kevlar.
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[url]http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a549416.pdf[/url] ([url]http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a549416.pdf[/url])
They have redesigned the M855, new designation 856A1 to come on line by the end of the year. Check you the slides. They say it out performs 308 ball ammo against steel and kevlar.
Good find bro, might be just whats needed to change my mind......
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Only time will truly tell the effectiveness of the round. It doesn't really amaze me that the government buys all the latest and greatest toys concerning the Air Force and in a large part, the Navy, but no so much the basic infantry unit on the ground. I mean, who really gives a fuck about the Geneva Code of 1899! I mean hell, give the boys some new age shit that will really get the job done. I believe the standard platoon should have 3 or 4 different loads for different circumstances. If we gonna stick with 5.56, I say they upgrade to the 70 gr. Barnes TSX round as a general purpose round, as it does most things very well. Then get them an armor piercing round, tracers, and a V-Max type for CQB for over penetration issues. Just a thought.
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Not a bad thought at that. One of the things that makes the M4 series such a versatile weapon is the ammo and the different types available.
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We will never see it as a surplus round its an actual ap round in 5.56 no lead in its make up at all. Copper and steel. New powder only makes a small improvement in velocity. I really dont see a need for this round to be issued to troops going to countries where the people they are fighting dont have armor.
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I really dont see a need for this round to be issued to troops going to countries where the people they are fighting dont have armor.
Maybe that is because the round isn't meant for them. Its meant for us. (Dun dun dun!!!!!!) :D
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I really dont see a need for this round to be issued to troops going to countries where the people they are fighting dont have armor.
Maybe that is because the round isn't meant for them. Its meant for us. (Dun dun dun!!!!!!) :D
Hell how many people here have armor? But really I thought it was against the geneva convention to shoot enemies with AP rounds.
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I really dont see a need for this round to be issued to troops going to countries where the people they are fighting dont have armor.
Maybe that is because the round isn't meant for them. Its meant for us. (Dun dun dun!!!!!!) :D
Hell how many people here have armor? But really I thought it was against the geneva convention to shoot enemies with AP rounds.
Your not shooting the enemy, your " eliminating his/her equipment " with AP rounds
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Damn, that's impressive.
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Only time will truly tell the effectiveness of the round. It doesn't really amaze me that the government buys all the latest and greatest toys concerning the Air Force and in a large part, the Navy, but no so much the basic infantry unit on the ground. I mean, who really gives a fuck about the Geneva Code of 1899! I mean hell, give the boys some new age shit that will really get the job done. I believe the standard platoon should have 3 or 4 different loads for different circumstances. If we gonna stick with 5.56, I say they upgrade to the 70 gr. Barnes TSX round as a general purpose round, as it does most things very well. Then get them an armor piercing round, tracers, and a V-Max type for CQB for over penetration issues. Just a thought.
geneva convention favors large conventional armies bro
think about it man it makes whoever has the most men, supplies, and armor come out a victor
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Na, I think it favors poor ass countries with skinny fuckers running around with AKs who need a whole fucking mag dump with shitty M855 or XM193 to go down! Cuz thats who the fuck benefits! Get you head examined! [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
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And on a more reasonable argument against this new round.....it can decrease barrel life by half. Just some food for thought.
http://www.lwrci.com/articles/STMP-120300-LWR.pdf (http://www.lwrci.com/articles/STMP-120300-LWR.pdf)
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I am really considering a m4.
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Na, I think it favors poor ass countries with skinny fuckers running around with AKs who need a whole fucking mag dump with shitty M855 or XM193 to go down! Cuz thats who the fuck benefits! Get you head examined! [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
thats some mighty poor shootin friend
i dont give a fuck what your shootin hit someone in the kill zone and it is gonna drop
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Right...so all those accounts from CAG in Somalia were total bullshit, huh? Those Delta boys totally suck balls at center mass shots, right?
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I am really considering a m4.
Don't consider it, make it happen brother. Get a summer job and save your money. You can buy every part you need except the lower as a minor.
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I like my AR bro you should get one.
But I will always own an AK :))
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I like my AR bro you should get one.
I think I will. We will cross that bridge when we get there.
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we could argue all day and not get anywhere
stock what you like and i will do the same
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I like my AR bro you should get one.
Hmmmm. I think he's been turned to the dark side. :o
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I like my AR bro you should get one.
Hmmmm. I think he's been turned to the dark side. :o
Its not called a black rifle for nothing.
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You guys can't quote me and not say the entire thing [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
come on you know better than that sledge.
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You guys can't quote me and not say the entire thing [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
come on you know better than that sledge.
I'm just playing with you Reaver! LOL! I know how it is. Once you go AK it's hard to go back. Hang in there brother. You're just doing what you gotta do. :)
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You guys can't quote me and not say the entire thing [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
come on you know better than that sledge.
I'm just playing with you Reaver! LOL! I know how it is. Once you go AK it's hard to go back. Hang in there brother. You're just doing what you gotta do. :)
I know I know :-\
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Logistics, yeah tell me about it.
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http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/03/07/m855a1-should-it-be-the-new-round-for-soldiers-and-marines/ (http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/03/07/m855a1-should-it-be-the-new-round-for-soldiers-and-marines/)
Thoughts?
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absofuckinglutely
m855 will drop in price and that new fangled round will be available in stores if its adopted
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absofuckinglutely
m855 will drop in price and that new fangled round will be available in stores if its adopted
bro fuck that new round, I'd just be happy to see m855 drop in price. plus, they can keep all that increased chamber PSI nonsense. I'd gladly sacrifice a hundred or so FPS if it means my rifle keeps trucking twice as long.
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well i just read the article reaver just posted [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
that sucks
i mean whats wrong with m193 and m855 anyways?
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well i just read the article reaver just posted
that sucks
i mean whats wrong with m193 and m855 anyways?
for the military? idunno... but for civies... probably just not pretentious enough for all the super secret-squirrel ninja operators out there. while guys like us are missing our targets by at LEAST 5 ft. @ 20yds with our silly m855, they'll be nailing headshots @ 1500yds with every pull of the trigger.
BOOM!!! Headshot! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_Xdi4T8mgI#)
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That line of DNA needs to end. If a crash ever does happen I hope he doesn't live near me. I'm sure there are others around here though.
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That line of DNA needs to end. If a crash ever does happen I hope he doesn't live near me. I'm sure there are others around here though.
Its all a joke, sledge, the guy is acting. Its been around on the net forever, and he's part of an acting group, and he's just acting like some of these people that used to get way into FPS shooter video games.
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That line of DNA needs to end. If a crash ever does happen I hope he doesn't live near me. I'm sure there are others around here though.
Its all a joke, sledge, the guy is acting. Its been around on the net forever, and he's part of an acting group, and he's just acting like some of these people that used to get way into FPS shooter video games.
Oh, Ok. LOL! Well, he's a pretty good actor then. 'Cause he had me convinced he was going to be threat to someone and needed to be removed.
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what an article reaver.
If they do switch to this POS maybe there will be a massive surplus of m855, that'd be awesome.
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what an article reaver.
If they do switch to this POS maybe there will be a massive surplus of m855, that'd be awesome.
i concour
$4 a box m855
that'd be like fuckin christmas
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All I am saying is that it will help slay bodies, good to go?
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All I am saying is that it will help slay bodies, good to go?
i lol'd
good to go
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i lol'd hard.... gtg...
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For civilian use M855 is invaluable. I mean, I personally don't like the round & if I wasn't worried about a civil war I would say its fucking useless... BUT government troops are a real possibility and body armor is all over the streets now days.
Every second or third round will be a steel penatrater in my mags.
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Also, think about it, after the first round, or the first few rounds, people are going to jumping behind concealment or maybe weak cover, it would be nice to be able to reliably punch through an entire car with a round, the doors, or trunk, not the engine of course, you'd need a .50 or something to make it through and engine block.
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Also, think about it, after the first round, or the first few rounds, people are going to jumping behind concealment or maybe weak cover, it would be nice to be able to reliably punch through an entire car with a round, the doors, or trunk, not the engine of course, you'd need a .50 or something to make it through and engine block.
No, an M855 will do it.
In a Sabot 308 or bigger :))
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Also, think about it, after the first round, or the first few rounds, people are going to jumping behind concealment or maybe weak cover, it would be nice to be able to reliably punch through an entire car with a round, the doors, or trunk
Any rifle cartridge above 30 cal. has the potential to do that at close to medium ranges. Especially the way they're building cars lighter these days. Even if the round doesn't totally penetrate through the vehicle it will it will cause enough noise and flying debris to make remaining behind the car uncomfortable.
I wouldn't waste rounds aiming at the engine block area unless the car was moving and I wanted to slow or stop it.
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All I am saying is that it will help slay bodies, good to go?
Sorry, LMAO, I had to post it.
RTT CQB Man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0wXDMwF5O0#)
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Also, think about it, after the first round, or the first few rounds, people are going to jumping behind concealment or maybe weak cover, it would be nice to be able to reliably punch through an entire car with a round, the doors, or trunk
Any rifle cartridge above 30 cal. has the potential to do that at close to medium ranges. Especially the way they're building cars lighter these days. Even if the round doesn't totally penetrate through the vehicle it will it will cause enough noise and flying debris to make remaining behind the car uncomfortable.
I wouldn't waste rounds aiming at the engine block area unless the car was moving and I wanted to slow or stop it.
That's why I'm worried about the .223 round not going through light cover, like a car.
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All I am saying is that it will help slay bodies, good to go?
Sorry, LMAO, I had to post it.
RTT CQB Man ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0wXDMwF5O0#[/url])
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I almost lost it when he said. "We're in the primary, all the time, slaying bodies." LOL
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Also, think about it, after the first round, or the first few rounds, people are going to jumping behind concealment or maybe weak cover, it would be nice to be able to reliably punch through an entire car with a round, the doors, or trunk
Any rifle cartridge above 30 cal. has the potential to do that at close to medium ranges. Especially the way they're building cars lighter these days. Even if the round doesn't totally penetrate through the vehicle it will it will cause enough noise and flying debris to make remaining behind the car uncomfortable.
I wouldn't waste rounds aiming at the engine block area unless the car was moving and I wanted to slow or stop it.
That's why I'm worried about the .223 round not going through light cover, like a car.
If you reload, look into this for penetration through cover with reliable expansion on soft targets.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/837001/barnes-triple-shock-x-bullets-22-caliber-224-diameter-70-grain-hollow-point-boat-tail-lead-free-box-of-50 (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/837001/barnes-triple-shock-x-bullets-22-caliber-224-diameter-70-grain-hollow-point-boat-tail-lead-free-box-of-50)
If you don't reload or just would like to try out the following bullet for testing, I suggest this.
http://store.chencustom.com/223_SOLID_DEFENSE_X_70_gr_Barnes_Copper_TSX_s/92.htm (http://store.chencustom.com/223_SOLID_DEFENSE_X_70_gr_Barnes_Copper_TSX_s/92.htm)
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I do reload. Thanks a lot of the tip, bro. [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co