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Who’s Hacking Our Ships?
« on: August 23, 2017, 06:22:59 PM »
 If so it's an act of war.


    
Who’s Hacking Our Ships? US Navy Suspects USS McCain Collision Was Caused By Cyber Attack
Mac Slavo
August 22nd, 2017
SHTFplan.com
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Tragedy struck the USS John S. McCain on Monday, when the destroyer collided with a merchant ship off the coast of Singapore, leaving 10 sailors missing and five injured. The US Navy is still struggling to find all of the remains of the missing sailors, and has ordered an operational pause for all naval fleets around the world as investigators try to figure out exactly why this terrible accident occurred.

Among the possible causes that are being looked into, one has a raised a few eyebrows. Over the summer there have been two accidental collisions involving the 7th fleet, and a total of 4 similar incidents this year. This has led some Navy officials to suspect that a cyber attack may have been responsible for the crash, as well as other recent Naval accidents.

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http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/is-china-hacking-our-ships-us-navy-suspects-uss-mccain-collision-was-caused-by-cyber-attack_08222017

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Re: Who’s Hacking Our Ships?
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2017, 07:00:18 PM »
   I call bullshit on that theory.  There should have been multiple sailors on visual watch at various points throughout the ship, in the event that electronics are compromised. The good, old Mk II eyeballs are sometimes better than electronics equipment.  If there weren't any humans actively watching for traffic, then the entire command ladder should be fired.  It looks like that process has already begun, since that Admiral has been relieved of duty.

    As a pilot, even though I may have fancy equipment on board that indicates traffic, I'm still making a visual sweep to confirm there's no traffic.  I'm sure the Navy takes traffic watching duties seriously.  And if there were sailors on watch and they were derelict in their duties, then they should be punished severely. I doubt we'll ever know the truth behind either incident.

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Re: Who’s Hacking Our Ships?
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2017, 07:21:30 PM »
I can call bull on it, but not the other half.  I can easily believe the cyber hack half of it, but I cannot accept any lack of responsibility from the Captain down the chain to the lowest rank on the command deck at the time of the collision.

Because they did not have the look outs on post doing look out duties.  They knew they were in a heavily trafficked shipping area.  The radar or sonar or anything could pop, burp or crap out at any instant.  But like said above, the good old eyeball is the best lookout there can be.

They should have been posted with direct contact to the bridge.

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Re: Who’s Hacking Our Ships?
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2017, 07:58:12 PM »
Interesting story:

I was driving down to see my mom today and ended up connecting with a nice guy out of Scranton. Anyway he was a merchant marine captain home from a 4 month stretch on the deep blue. Being the inquisitive person I asked him what is happening with our ships? Seven collisions within 12 months. This was his response.

The navy use to have a SOP that there was four visual watches going on 24/7. One forward, one starboard, one aft, and one port. Currently, the SOP is two at night and one during the day.

He continued on that there are officers doing things on the bridge that they are not trained for. He used one example that he knows a aviator (Pilot for you ANTIFA Supporters) who was trained to land on aircraft carriers who was assigned one ten month stint as ships navigator.

I pressed him on the hacking theory and his response was, "not with four sailors on watch!"  He then went on a minor rant that basic seaman skills are being pushed to the side for other training like, sensitivity training.

Anyhow that's what his theory was. Cool guy. He has been doing this job for 20 years and graduated from the Maritime College in Borne, MA. He told me it took five years to go through the program.

Personally I like the hacking angle but in reality it is probably training.
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Re: Who’s Hacking Our Ships?
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2017, 08:36:31 PM »
    Yeah, I'm thinking it's a training issue too.  I have to agree with your seaman friend regarding the foolish training.  I just completed a series of 9 similar classes, regarding how to deal with sexual harassment, etc.  These mandatory classes have to be retaken on an annual basis, and it's a total waste of time.  I'm really looking forward to the day that I can retire...

     Hopefully, the Navy will have an internal review to actually determine the root cause, and hopefully they won't be overly politically correct and acknowledge that they need to return to the basics.  Bring back sextants and binoculars!

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Re: Who’s Hacking Our Ships?
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2017, 09:16:28 PM »
 I posted the story but I would bet my SS check that it is training. On the radio today it was stated that Admiral in charge was a one of obama's sensitivity training believers.
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Re: Who’s Hacking Our Ships?
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2017, 03:23:14 AM »
could be simple EW or training - doesn't even need to be hightech hacking.
you can spoof or alter doppler - to throw off radar.
you can spoof GPS or GLONASS to throw off NAV.
you can even spoof the EM signature on a ship.
you don't need high tech - I seem to recall a little fiberglass boat used to attack a ship a few years back. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing

in short if you don't back up your navigation with a mate who has a couple of good people on watch, you get the Titanic all over again.  seems every generation has to relearn the old lessons.

so where was the watch?

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Re: Who’s Hacking Our Ships?
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2017, 08:50:10 PM »
its the shadow govt. destroying things from the inside out
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