Tommy Robinson Arrested - UK

[JohnyMac]

Ati-immigration activist Tommy Robinson was arrested Friday.

Fox News reported,
U.K. right-wing activist and journalist Tommy Robinson was arrested and reportedly jailed Friday after he filmed members of an alleged [pedophile] child grooming gang entering a court for trial -- but the details of his purported sentence remain murky after the judge ordered the press not to report on the case.

I guess there is no version of the First Amendment in the UK.

Here is another article by Zero Hedge.

[JoJo]

 When I first read it on a conservative blog I thought it was fake news and the blog was hacked.
 Careful people it could happen here and it almost did. 

[gadget99]

What can I say?

There is a massive amount of information that is not being reported in the media on this.

I will not address the circumstances of the arrest or why he was there.

I will however comment on the individual and his political party.

They are a barely legal racist party.

They are very slick in the way they speak and print in their pamphlet. They skirt the rule of law here.

The tag line of "anti immigration party" is in reality false. They do not like anyone that is not white born British.

He has and continues to get in trouble for advocating violence against immigrants as a way to make them leave the country.

The difference between his political party and the White nationalists. Is that they have been schooled to keep their rhetoric just above what is considered to be legal.

I guess you can tell that I think them to be reprehensible.

[JoJo]

 gadget99 is it true that the gang rape of very young girls is being kept quiet??
 Is talking about it called hate speech?
Those of us on this side of the pond don't know about UK laws and we being a suspicious lot tend to believe it is happening and being kept quiet.
How can we trust their media when we don't even trust ours?

[Erick]

Not only was hew arresting for reporting on "immigrant" crime but his arrest has had a no reporting issued as well.
No one can report on him in Britain no one knows where he is. He's been disappeared.

[Grudgie]

What can I say?

There is a massive amount of information that is not being reported in the media on this.

I will not address the circumstances of the arrest or why he was there.

I will however comment on the individual and his political party.

They are a barely legal racist party.

They are very slick in the way they speak and print in their pamphlet. They skirt the rule of law here.

The tag line of "anti immigration party" is in reality false. They do not like anyone that is not white born British.

He has and continues to get in trouble for advocating violence against immigrants as a way to make them leave the country.

The difference between his political party and the White nationalists. Is that they have been schooled to keep their rhetoric just above what is considered to be legal.

I guess you can tell that I think them to be reprehensible.

If you are referring to his party as the English Defense League, he left in 2013.

[gadget99]

I stand corrected on his leaving the party.

Yet I have issues with his reformation. I am not totally convinced that he does not support the extreme views of the party.

I believe he bailed out of self protection.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson_%28activist%29?wprov=sfla1

I have been seeing posts around in other forums about Tommy Robinson.

My posts here are an attempt to shine a light onto this in the interests of clarity.

He is being held up as a quasi idol due to his anti Islam and anti immigration views. Views that he is very vocal about.

The key here is research. Take a few moments to look into this guy's life up to this point. This is not a person who is a paragon of civic virtue. This is not a person that I would want my children to look up to as an example.

Yes there are debates to be had about the issues we face in these times.

Yet I have to be honest. I am worried. I am worried that figures such as Tommy Robinson are being held up as champions of society.

Really?

The media and I am including every single source of information is skewing factual reality way to much. I can forgive these sources due to the drive for more readers or viewers.

Yet I am having trouble with the fact that people are taking these skewed stories as the gospel.

For the record. I live in the UK now and have since 2003 when I retired from the US Army.

There is no invasion of illegal immigrants happening here.

The spike in knife crime is rival drug gangs fighting against each other.

There are no nogo areas for the police here in the UK. Not like there is in some cities in the states.

99.9% of the police here are unarmed. That is because they are VERY successful at what they do without the need to be armed. Think about that for a few moments. That singular fact paints a picture of a society that is pretty safe compared to other places.

Now. Do bad things happen? Yep. Just like any other place in the world bad things happen. Do not listen to the rhetoric of politics and the media that trays to set the expectation that the world is supposed to be a utopia.

The UK is not perfect. Yet it is a pretty nice place to live. Don't allow skewed news to get you to attempt to compare different societies to each other. It won't work and feeds misconception. As an example. To compare the UK to the US does not work. Both societies are fundamentally different. You cannot accurately compare them.

There are a similarities for consideration.

1. Politicians and political parties are corrupt and are more interested in their power than the good of the people.
2. Crime happens. Always has. Always will.

Ok.....

Please don't take this rant as an attack on anyone here or the views of anyone here.

This is me venting my frustration at the misconceptions being formed by people based upon questionable news reporting.

I will leave you with examples of misconceptions I have to correct people on here in the UK about the US.

1. The are shootings every day everywhere in America. It is like the wild west.
2. Everywhere you go there are homeless families dying on the streets.
3. If you get sick or injured. You will be denied medical treatment and you will die if you do not have insurance.
4. Every republican in America is a rampant racist.
5. Minorities in America are so disadvantaged that there is no way for them to succeed in life.

As I said these are the misconceptions that are being fed to people here in the UK about America.

The reverse is happening to you all about the UK and Europe.

Most of the stories out there contain a grain of truth. So take these rings with a grain of salt and hunt out that grain of truth surrounded by sensationalized info.

Ok

Rant over......

Thanks for putting up with it.....

[gadget99]

gadget99 is it true that the gang rape of very young girls is being kept quiet??
 Is talking about it called hate speech?
Those of us on this side of the pond don't know about UK laws and we being a suspicious lot tend to believe it is happening and being kept quiet.
How can we trust their media when we don't even trust ours?

No it is not being kept quiet.

The press here have the same amount of freedoms as in America. They are jumping on any hint of something like this.

As a matter of fact all things of the like is being almost over reported. A small number of people that have been accused and arrested have had their name reported by the media. Some of them have been innocent. Yet due to the deal of the press. They have lost their jobs, homes and such. So have to try and rebuild their lives.

[JoJo]

No it is not being kept quiet.

The press here have the same amount of freedoms as in America. They are jumping on any hint of something like this.

As a matter of fact all things of the like is being almost over reported. A small number of people that have been accused and arrested have had their name reported by the media. Some of them have been innocent. Yet due to the deal of the press. They have lost their jobs, homes and such. So have to try and rebuild their lives.

Sounds just like the news media here. Thanks for responding to my questions.

[JohnyMac]

Yes gadget although we share a similar language we are different societies. And as I have written often, no matter how thinly you slice the baloney there is always two sides.

With that said, I do not support America's KKK (Klu Klux Klan) nor the alt-right; however, I will support their right under the 1A of the BofR to express their opinions. 

[gadget99]

I totally agree JM.

I don't like what good old Tommy says. Yet support hi right to say it.

If he and his step over the legal line then they made thier choice and get what they get.

[gadget99]

Oops I forgot to mention one item.

The criminal justice system is vastly more lenient here than there. The burden of proof for a conviction is pretty darn high.

So if someone gets convicted of something. Then they had to have REALLY done something serious. I say that given that to be sentenced to jail time the offence would be of a serious matter.

So let's see how things play out.

[Nemo]

no matter how thinly you slice the baloney there is always two sides.

Unless you are the govt.  Then you can slice it all into a mobius strip and give what you say only one side.

Nemo

Mobius Strip--   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B6bius_strip

[gadget99]

Ok...

Have looked into this a bit.

Tommy was arrested for contempt of court.

He was live streaming outside of the court. During that he was providing information over the stream that could prejudice the trial process and endanger witnesses.

The judge placed a ban on reporting certain info during the trial to protect the jury, witnesses and the process of the trial.

By doing what he did. Tommy Robinson may have compromised the trial.

It is likely that the defence would be able to call for a mistrial. If not that. Then if the defendants are found guilty. Then a case could be made that the trial was prejudiced against the defendants by the streamed content. This could lead to the conviction being declared unsafe and the defendants released.

So Tommy Robinson grandstanding outside of the court. Live streaming himself talking about the case as the trial was in progress. Jeopardized the trial process.

Just like in the states when a judge orders a jury not to discuss the case outside of the court.

As a matter of fact. If the case against the defendants in this case. What Tommy did might actually be enough to cause a verdict of innocent.

So Tommy has basically may have accomplished the opposite circumstances from what he wished with his actions.

Sorry to say. He commuted contempt of court and gets what he gets.

[JohnyMac]

Thank you gadget. 

It is being reported here in the States that he was filming the accused as they were being curb walked into the court house.

Lets all remember, that these Pakistani men are being accused of running a pedophile sex ring. Specifically, grooming young girls and boys to prostitute themselves.

In the states it is perfectly legal to film or take pictures of the accused as they enter/exit a courthouse/police station apparently not in the UK.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nydsdkEnsZk

[Kentactic]

I'd just like to say, I support Tommy and his efforts. Low IQ is a big problem that leads to violence and destruction. One cannot assimilate away a low IQ. Below is a link that has a map showing IQ average by country. Below 70 is considered mild retardation by western standards. These averages don't miraculously improve for a race when they go to college or get free healthcare. To quote Stefan Molyneux "Below 90 IQ points freedom cannot survive". We are talking about destroying the only free places on earth. In the movie the Titanic, the crew are seen beating away drowning victims that are trying to climb in to the already full lifeboats. In that instance it is obvious that keeping these people out of the boat makes more sense than to let them on and subsequently sink the lifeboats and kill everyone. So is it racist to see obvious trends and stats within various races? I say no. The media sells this ridiculous idea that if we just throw lots of money at a person with a 70 point IQ, we can turn them into a 100 point IQ. The reality is that they will always be a 70 IQ and do 70 IQ shit. They aren't like you and they don't think like you. Lets not sink the entire West over a warm fuzzy feeling we get when we try to help low IQ's. Are there exceptions? Yes, but those exception's offspring will not be exceptions. Yow Ming's children won't be 7ft tall. A genius from Africa or Saudi Arabia will more than likely produce low IQ offspring. Furthermore, for example what does it mean for Africa if we in the West keep accepting all their best? Where does that leave Africa, or the Middle East etc...?

So that's where I'm at. Tommy is fighting to keep the world from burning for the sake of feeling good for helping a refugee. If you want to help some refugees, South Africa is slaughtering whites like it's going out of style. Give them Refugee status. We'll save lives and improve the country.

https://iq-research.info/en/average-iq-by-country

Here's Stefan Molyneux talking about IQ by race.

https://youtu.be/T0KKc6GbeNo

[gadget99]

Hi all,

I get and understand the comments here on this one.

I can see why people feel as they do about the situation.

If we set aside the hyperbole and look at this clearly. We come up with some interesting facts.

A citizen held a rally outside of a court. The individual in question not only videoed the accused but attempted to discuss the case with them. The judge had placed a temporary reporting restriction on enough of the case to protect the integrity of the jury and protect the identity of the victims. The activity and social media publication in real time almost caused the reported trial being conducted in real time to collapse. Risking the prospect of justice not being served.

That citizen was arrested and convicted of contempt of court for breaching the order of the court. The is called contempt of court. The defence claimed that since Tommy didnt know it was against the law to do what he did that he should be found innocent. He was convicted and told by the judge that he would now know what was against the law. This individual was handed a suspended sentence with a warning that if he broke the law again or specifically did what he did again. The suspended sentence would be changed to jail time.

Now we come to the latest news that has everyone up in arms.

This citizen once again shows up in front of a court live streaming once again the defendants entering the court. Now at this point the law has not been breached. It is when the act of streaming video of the defendants is accompanied with information on the case as well as opinionated declarations begins to cause issues.

Once again the judge had ordered a reporting restriction on the case to ensure that the integrity of the jury was protected. This is essential to the legal system. Yet the citizen in question decided to repeat the offence of contempt. He even went so far as to comment live on the stream that he knew what he was doing was wrong and that he risked arrest again. Yet he continued.

So he was arrested again. He appeared before the court and plead guilty to contempt of court and was sentenced to prison time.

Now while I understand that people identify with the view points expressed by this individual. I fail to understand why he should be given a get out of jail free card.

This individual clearly sought to influence the course of two trials by discussing information on the cases in live social media streams. Videos that were public in nature that the jury would easily have been able to view. This put the whole legal process of each trial in jeopardy.  In the least this could have led to mistrials. At the worst it could have led to mistrial and then the defence would have had one heck of a case to bring at the next trial of how prejudiced the case is against the accused.   Even worse. The defence could easily claim that do to the videos there is no prospect for a fair trial by jury. Even if we set that aside. The second time this individual commited contempt of court. One of the fears the judge had was that the information on the case and the discussion may have led to the identification of the victims. Victims that as a matter due course are granted anonymity by the courts to protect them. Yes that is right. One of the very widely used reporting restrictions over here comes from the courts always granting anonymity to victims. Unless the victim waives this right. Nobody can report their name or provide any information that might lead to the identification of the victim. This is taken very seriously here in the UK. For very good reasons.

So we come back to this citizen and what he did.

He broke the law. Not once but twice. Knowing and admitting that he knew he was breaking the law. He still did it. Then he plead guilty to the offence.

Now I just don't see why this person is now a hero to the world and should get a free pass. If any other citizen were to do the same thing. They would also be serving time in prison.

Let Tommy off the hook and the precedent is set. The legal process gets messed up. Not a road we need to go down.

Tommy could have held rallies or protests outside of those two courts with no legal issues at all. If he had refrained from breaching the orders of the judge. Heck reporters do this every day here in the UK. They stand in front of the camera outside of a court and report as much as they are allowed to in the interests of keeping the public informed. The two trials in question werw reported on by the press here. These were not secret trials. Heck the average citizen could have sat in the public gallery in the courtroom and watch the trial.

Ok.... tired of typing for the moment.

Here is another report from the news here.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/tommy-robinson-jailed-contempt-court-facebook-live-video-stephen-yaxley-lennon-a8374121.html

Cheers all

[JohnyMac]

We all have to remember that the UK has different laws then we do. So it is wrong for us to judge what happened by American laws.

My next comment is not to write badly of the UK just an observation.

The citizens of the UK have always been thought as subjects Vs. free citizens. This is in their genes. The government has a lot more power then ours does, at least as of today. This was tampered with by the past administration ala the IRS, FBI, NSA, DOJ being used as 'tools' to protect the administration and to advance their agenda.

Again, here in the States, it is perfectly legal to take a picture of the accused - In the UK apparently not.

So there you go...

@ Kentactic, interesting articles you posted. Thx for taking the time to do so.

I must admit, probably 'white privilege'  they do make me uncomfortable though.

Peace!