IRAN TO U.S.: BRING IT ON

[sledge]

The U.S, Briton, and France have been increasing warships into the Persian Gulf.  Pretty soon any Iranian on a camel won't be able to toss a rock into the Persian Gulf without hitting one.


IRAN TO U.S.: BRING IT ON

http://www.wnd.com/2012/01/iran-to-u-s-bring-it-on/

[RS762]

Man, this sucks.
What a powder keg this situation is turning out to be.

I don't think the average citizen realizes exactly how large a war with Iran would be.
This won't be like Desert Storm, we will lose an awful lot of soldiers, sailors, and pilots if we invade Iran.
We can't exactly afford to replace a carrier right now anyway.

Not to mention Russia and China have already said they are with Iran, what a mess.  [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

[EJR914]

I see the Russia and China issue to be the biggest threats, besides the countless soldiers we will lose if we invade Iran.

As well, losing a carrier could really suck as well.  It wouldn't take much to sabotage one of our carriers using 4GW.  If nothing else, damage it and make it quite inoperable. 

This isn't turning out well for us.  This will end badly.

When the submarine sits on the seabed it can easily target and hit an aircraft carrier traversing in the nearby regions.? According to reliable sources, sonar on U.S. warships to detect the submarines may not pick up the Iranian submarines, especially the smaller submarines in Iran?s inventory, since U.S. equipment is so powerful and designed to work in deep waters.

Meanwhile, U.S. report said the USS Abraham Lincoln was dispatched back into the Persian Gulf today.

Sounds like a war just waiting to happen...   [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

[sledge]

I agree, although I doubt we would invade Iran.  This is a screwed up situation.   Whether we attack their sites or not it's going to end badly. 

Iran's options if they find themselves on end of a military strike

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9028361/Irans-options-if-they-find-themselves-on-end-of-a-military-strike.html

[EJR914]

I agree, although I doubt we would invade Iran.  This is a screwed up situation.   Whether we attack their sites or not it's going to end badly. 

Iran's options if they find themselves on end of a military strike

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9028361/Irans-options-if-they-find-themselves-on-end-of-a-military-strike.html

2) Disrupt the Strait of Hormuz.

Perhaps a dozen supertankers, each carrying two million barrels of oil, pass through this narrow waterway every day. If Iran could sink or disable any of these, it would cause one of the world's vital economic arteries to seize up and hugely increase the oil price.

That's really what I'm worried about, as that effect us and our economy here at home.  Then we would be F'd! 

All the other things, don't really effect us as much here at home, it might just get our soldiers killed.

[sledge]

That's really what I'm worried about, as that effect us and our economy here at home.  Then we would be F'd! 

All the other things, don't really effect us as much here at home, it might just get our soldiers killed.

I have no doubts that there are dozens of Iranian and Hezbollah cells throughout the U.S. just waiting for the crap to begin.  I don't think all of the explosions will be happening in the middle east.     

[CrystalHunter1989]

Iran is the most fanatic potential enemy we've faced since Imperial Japan.

[EJR914]

That's really what I'm worried about, as that effect us and our economy here at home.  Then we would be F'd! 

All the other things, don't really effect us as much here at home, it might just get our soldiers killed.

I have no doubts that there are dozens of Iranian and Hezbollah cells throughout the U.S. just waiting for the crap to begin.  I don't think all of the explosions will be happening in the middle east.   

I hope not, and I sincerely doubt it, unless our government just wants it to happen, or its a false flag, none of which would surprise me one bit with the criminals that we now have working within our own government. 

[sledge]

Iran is the most fanatic potential enemy we've faced since Imperial Japan.

That statement is absolutely true in regards to Iran's leadership.  Thank God the average Iranian citizen doesn't have that Samurai Warrior heritage that was brought back into mainstream thinking in Japan during WWII.  The extremist Muslims are using religious dogma to promote suicide attacks rather than an honor dogma.  As effective as it has been I suspect it is a harder sell. 

[Colombo]

So the alfred e newman president is going to try his hand at sending our deep water navy into a 60-90 meter deep pond with a very hostile coastline where shallow water mines, response times, land based missiles, aircraft,  and a crapload of civilian vessels create more of a threat. I doubt mr "skin in the game" will have to worry about his hide  though. 

I can't think of a faster way to destroy our navy than loosing a carrier...     I can't believe in my lifetime I find myself wondering if that is a possible intent of our president.

[JohnyMac]

Election year = Wag the dog.

[thatGuy]

Columbo nailed it. I couldn't believe that they would send a carrier back into that hole. The whole straight of Whoremoves is within the range of coastal guns.

That said, I say fuck them! All of them.

I got to go fill up a couple more 30 gallon barrels with gasoline. Just so you guys know you can go to a mechanics shop and pick up 30 gallon barrels that held 'brake clean' and they are perfect for fuel storage.
 

[WhiskeyJack]

More beans, More bullets. More bandaids and a better bunker.

If shit kicks off in that shit hole, Iran is gonna sponsor the fuck out of some terrorist attacks on US soil and targets abroad.

Which will give the Guberment the excuse they want to strip America of its rights in the name of national security.

My prediction..... We do something silly and provoke confrontation with Iran. They strike back, Terrorists Attack en-mass. And the TSA starts using anal probes at airports. And then shit gets bad.

[crudos]

Not to diss what is going on as serious as it is, but WND and Joseph Farah as a unbiased source of news and information? Really?  [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

Might as well go to Huffington Post and get your news there too, ffs.

[sledge]

Not to diss what is going on as serious as it is, but WND and Joseph Farah as a unbiased source of news and information? Really? 

Might as well go to Huffington Post and get your news there too, ffs.

So which part of the report are you saying is biased or incorrect?  I didn't see the bias which is something I usually pick up on.  To me it was more like a listing of Iranian capabilities that any of our ships in the Persian Gulf should be concerned about.

[crudos]

Not to diss what is going on as serious as it is, but WND and Joseph Farah as a unbiased source of news and information? Really? 

Might as well go to Huffington Post and get your news there too, ffs.

So which part of the report are you saying is biased or incorrect?  I didn't see the bias which is something I usually pick up on.  To me it was more like a listing of Iranian capabilities that any of our ships in the Persian Gulf should be concerned about.

Joseph Farah is in the business of creating news and selling fear, not reporting it. He's using Iranian sources to trump the capabilities of the their own navy. In short order, if need be, the US Navy will dispatch any threat posed by them. But for $99 a year, you can get the whole fear-mongered story. I should know, I used to subscribe to his crap. Fool me once......

[sledge]

Not to diss what is going on as serious as it is, but WND and Joseph Farah as a unbiased source of news and information? Really? 

Might as well go to Huffington Post and get your news there too, ffs.

So which part of the report are you saying is biased or incorrect?  I didn't see the bias which is something I usually pick up on.  To me it was more like a listing of Iranian capabilities that any of our ships in the Persian Gulf should be concerned about.

Joseph Farah is in the business of creating news and selling fear, not reporting it. He's using Iranian sources to trump the capabilities of the their own navy. In short order, if need be, the US Navy will dispatch any threat posed by them. But for $99 a year, you can get the whole fear-mongered story. I should know, I used to subscribe to his crap. Fool me once......

IDK Crudos, I'm not that familiar with Farah.  I have seen a few articles from his site and I don't remember any that set off alarms.  As far as this one it is right on.  Back when I was in the service (1970's) there was a discussion about aircraft carriers being obsolete because of their vunerability to submarines.  I know quite a bit about this subject for reasons I am hesitant to blast all over the internet.  Which is why this article caught my attention.

Submarines use their sonar in two ways, active and passive.  In passive there is no pinging they are just listening to prop wash.  This tells them the general direction of the target.  Normally in a deep water attack they will rise up out of the cold layer that hides them and go active for one ping to determine the exact location of the target.  Then they disappear back into the layer and launch the weapon.

In a shallow water attack they lay on the bottom in passive.  In older subs this wasn't very effective because the air in the sub would give away it's location.  For the past few decades that hasn't been the case due to coatings on the hull of the sub and the inner and out layers of it's hull.  In a shallow water attack the sub doesn't need to go into active sonar.  Passive will tell them the general direction and distance to the target.  The weapon's independent sonar will home in on the target after it's launched.

The target won't know they are under attack until they detect the weapon's pings.  They will have an general idea where the sub is from the sonar returns on the air the sub used to launch the weapon.  But it will be too late to prevent the attack.

What this boils down to is our ships in that area will be sitting ducks.  Putting our carriers in that situation is stupidity beyond belief.   

 

[Kentactic]

Yeah an aircraft carrier seems like a huge helpless ship... thousands of navy men and woman like sitting ducks to be shot. Another capability i heard about Iran is that they actually could strike the US but from venezuela.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2011/05/17/iran-building-secret-missile-installation-venezuela/

[sledge]

Yeah an aircraft carrier seems like a huge helpless ship... thousands of navy men and woman like sitting ducks to be shot. Another capability i heard about Iran is that they actually could strike the US but from venezuela.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2011/05/17/iran-building-secret-missile-installation-venezuela/

Another aspect of this is that Russia, another of Iran's allies, has strong ties to Venezuela as well.  Venezuela denies that they have given the Russians permission to build a base, but acknowledge the Russians are welcome to land bombers within their territory.   

[crudos]

sledge: I appreciate your comments and bow to your knowledge on the topic. The US Navy is the best in the world, and fully trust them to take care of whatever comes their way and keep their crews safe as possible. My main beef is with Farah and WND, who I trust as far as I can throw an aircraft carrier.

[Colombo]

For those hopeless tech geeks out there some china mine info http://www.usnwc.edu/Research---Gaming/China-Maritime-Studies-Institute/Publications/documents/CMS3_Mine-Warfare.aspx

Let's hope we don't try to fight the last war again and pay more attention to developing threats.

[EJR914]

More beans, More bullets. More bandaids and a better bunker.

If shit kicks off in that shit hole, Iran is gonna sponsor the fuck out of some terrorist attacks on US soil and targets abroad.

Which will give the Guberment the excuse they want to strip America of its rights in the name of national security.

My prediction..... We do something silly and provoke confrontation with Iran. They strike back, Terrorists Attack en-mass. And the TSA starts using anal probes at airports. And then shit gets bad.

What?  You mean anal probes at airports aren't standard procedure right now?  Damnit!  And he even told me that he loved me, FUCK! 

[backwoodsboy]

 

[RS762]

i hope yall realize we have 3x more troops than iran. just sayin.

Backwoodsboy, no offense but you have had some dumb-ass posts and this one nearly takes the cake.

You say our army is bigger as if that matters, Military action with Iran would be a bloodbath for both sides whether your misplaced pride in the military industrial complex tells you so or not.

-Iran has a population of more than 75 million people (compared to Iraq's 30 million)

-Their armed forces have roughly 500,000 full-time personnel and 350,000+ reservists.

-This of course does not include the multitude of ethnic militias and foreign mujahideen fighters that would materialize if a conflict were to erupt there.

-They were never devastated by the first Gulf War and have acquired advanced surface-to-air missiles from Russia via Belarus.

-The Iranian borders have hardly changed since Persian times, this is not disputed land, this is IRAN and the people will fight like they are protecting their homes from outside aggression (because they will be)

-Not to mention the whole "Iranian anti-ship missiles  and submarines  the strait of Hormuz" thing people tend to forget about.

-Our army is not bigger than that of Iran, Russia, and China (bot have said they back Iran) and no stupid off the cuff comment on your part can change that.

Lastly, if you are so eager to murder Iranians DO IT YOUR FUCKING SELF COWARD. DON'T ADVOCATE SENDING THE FAMILIES OF OTHERS TO BE KILLED BECAUSE YOU THINK YOUR OPINIONS AND WORLDVIEW SUPERSEDE THOSE OF EVERYONE ELSE.

If you really do want war with Iran catch a fucking boat to Israel and stop bitching about it.

[backwoodsboy]

what are you talking about? are u hating on my afro?