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Hutaree, and Mike Vanderboegh
« on: April 08, 2012, 01:15:50 PM »
http://keepitsimplesurvival.wordpress.com/2012/03/27/hutaree-cleared-of-charges-and-eye-update/#comments


I don't have any strong opinions on this. I'm glad they were found not guilty. I also go to Vanderboegh's site for the Praxis posts. I think SipseyStreetIrregulars can be a bit mouthy as to what, exactly, the 3%'ers are actually going to do if the government comes a'knockin', but I write it off as opinion and glean what I can.

I primarily wanted to post this to show any regular Sipsey Streeters here that Mike is not God. He has faults, holes in his thinking, just like everybody else. I would remind you that he, just like you or me, has personal beliefs that constitute an agenda that influences everything he believes and posts. I, personally, do not trust anyone that I haven't actually spent time with on a consistent basis. This includes everyone here, even those whom I call "bro" or "buddy." I'll most definitely give many of the members here a chance to prove themselves to me (and I to them) if the opportunity arises, but trust should not be easily given or received. If it is, you should be very wary, 'cuz something isn't right.

Just be careful whose words you take as gospel - there's always an agenda behind others' posts, and it may not be similar to yours. As a former boss of mine repeatedly told me regarding working with others outside your immediate group: "Trust, but verify."

Use your heads - take what info is useful to you without giving complete trust. "Leaders" in the patriot movement (I'm using Vanderboegh as an example) usually seem, to me, to be rather self-proclaimed and very opinionated. We're supposed to be intelligent individuals who think for ourselves and who do not follow the crowd or any random "Dear Leader." Learn enough about what's going on to have a strong, informed opinion, and be able to tell *insert aspiring leader here* when you agree and when you think he woke up with his head up his own ass. That's one reason I like SP - we tell each other quite readily when we think one of us is full of shit. No pulled punches.

This advice is also for myself...I forget to do this. A lot. We must not forget it. Think everything through.

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Re: Hutaree, and Mike Vanderboegh
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2012, 01:55:42 PM »
i haven't clicked the link yet but in response to your post:

people who push forward on their own accord are exactly the ones who people look up to. some people are natural leaders and some aren't.
that being said, I agree 100% that we shouldn't blindly follow anyone.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the existence of self-appointed leaders, but like you said, as long as each individual verifies the leading figures.

I don't take ANYONE'S word for gospel. (except maybe Friedman on economics... dude is brilliant). I'll post up InfoWars stuff from time to time, but in no way do I see Alex Jones as prophetic. it's really each individual's responsibility to give any source of information the old smell check.
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Re: Hutaree, and Mike Vanderboegh
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2012, 04:19:00 PM »
Oh, my intent isn't to demonize those who stand up to the plate and attempt to lead. No one is perfect, ever. However, we as a society (especially in America) tend to idolize those in the forefront of public opinion. I just want to avoid that tendency. I want to be able to listen, while filtering through my own beliefs.

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Re: Hutaree, and Mike Vanderboegh
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2012, 04:32:56 PM »
How long did these guys sit in jail for this bullshit?

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Re: Hutaree, and Mike Vanderboegh
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2012, 05:13:25 PM »
How long did these guys sit in jail for this bullshit?

not 100% sure and too lazy to dig up some links but I remember this story from about a year ago, maybe two.
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Re: Hutaree, and Mike Vanderboegh
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2012, 07:38:28 AM »
Two years...
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Re: Hutaree, and Mike Vanderboegh
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2012, 03:14:54 PM »
Rah, you might want to go read the linked story that takes you to sipsey street and actually read what Mike wrote when all this went down.  The worst thing he called them were "nuts" and he felt this way long before the raids.  He and other militia people had good reason to distance themselves from this group.  They said things that scared other militia groups.  However, obviously, saying things, like they said, were not deemed illegal this time.  I think that's a good thing.  It was what this group said, that scared other militia groups away.  What's funny is they never really did anything illegal, although I think the majority of militia groups thought that by their words, they were.  I also think the arrest and the timing were important.  I think the feds pulled up way to early, if ever.  I'm not sure the Hutaree would have ever done anything.  If anything, they were just a bunch of blowhards, going around talking big about what they want to do, much like the GA geriatric terrorist that were arrested a little while back.  Big talk, a bunch of blowhards.  A lot can be taken from this, such as don't throw people under the bus before hand, and don't throw them under the bus, just because the feds bust them.  It can come back and bite you in the butt.

I do however find it something very extraordinary that they were not convicted as guilty. 

I do agree with your notion that none of these leaders, especially Mike V, are perfect or are their ideas flawless.  We always need to question them, their ideas, and especially their motives. 

I still think the "No Fort Sumter" rule is a good rule to maintain the moral high ground.  That was coined by Mike V, and I think it still stands good moral high ground.  I think he's also applied that well in the case of the Hutaree.

I do agree that throwing people under the bus, just because the Feds bust them, is a very bad idea.  I think Mike V threw the Hutaree under the bus before the raid even happened, which is something else to note.  Don't throw people under the bus.


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Re: Hutaree, and Mike Vanderboegh
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2012, 04:53:19 PM »
Oh, I really don't have anything against Mike V. I'm only using him as example for the broader point. I read his blog periodically, and I know he said to stay away from them before the raid occurred. I agree with his Fort Sumter philosophy. I think he's a smart guy.  ;)