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Oregon Massacre Posts/Comments - Post Here
« on: October 01, 2015, 07:04:15 PM »
With the tragic shooting in Oregon, my President comes out with a speech at 1845 hrs condemning gun ownership and "common sense gun control."

We do NOT know the purpose of the shooting. We do not know the type of firearm. We do not know how the shooter came in possession of the firearm. Etcetera.

My President was 100% passion (I like passion in an individual) and 100% Knee-jurk - Not a trait I like in an individual.

My President claims that people will call his comments "political" and he is right because they are. He is trying to hide from the coming criticism concerning Russia's heightened involvement in Syria and bombing "our" allies.

Stay tuned as the shitstorm is acoming.  :shitStorm:
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Re: Oregon Massacre Posts/Comments - Post Here
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2015, 08:54:50 PM »
Some interesting and relevant facts I have found related to this. And cites to verify where appropriate.

Shooter was 20.  By federal law, he did not get his weapon from a dealer himself.


Concealed carry was permitted by the state, but not by the school

http://www.armedcampuses.org/oregon/

As of March 2015, Concealed carry was not permitted, except by written permission by college


State law required a concealed carry in schools but only allowed if school did not opt out and if person was permitted. In any event he was under age 21 so he could not obtain a CCW permit.


    The school had only one security guard, and he was not permitted to be armed.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/01/former-ore-community-college-president-says-school-only-had-one-unarmed/


We need to wait on the overall facts of the situation to determine what, if any additional laws could have prevented him from obtaining the weapon.


I find it difficult to think of anything that would/could/should have been done to prevent that.  Oregon permits handgun purchase and possession by a person age 18 or older.  The feds prohibit a dealer to sell a handgun to anyone under 21 so if it was a purchase by him it had to have been a private purchase.

Oregon required universal background checks that went into effect about the end of August.  So if he bought it himself, he passed the background check or did it a while back.

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Re: Oregon Massacre Posts/Comments - Post Here
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2015, 09:33:24 PM »
Bill O'Reilly said he was 26 and gave his name which I don't recall. Obama and gun control  :pissed: :pissed: :pissed:
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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2015, 11:10:55 PM »
I have seen various reports but everyone now seems agreed the was 26. 

 Motive is clear. From The Daily Beast.

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/01/umpqua-gunman-id-d-as-chris-harper-mercer.html

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People "like him have nothing left to live for," Harper-Mercer wrote on August 31. "On an interesting note, I have noticed that so many people like him are all alone and unknown, yet when they spill a little blood, the whole world knows who they are. ... A man who was known by no one, is now known by everyone. His face splashed across every screen, his name across the lips of every person on the planet, all in the course of one day. Seems the more people you kill, the more you're in the limelight.
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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2015, 05:49:30 PM »
ARMED Air Force Vet Was on Umpqua Campus Was NOT ALLOWED to Assist Victims


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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2015, 08:53:32 AM »
I can't respond pos/neg on this because I wasn't there to assess the situation. As an example, LEO's may have already been on site. He would have been caught in the cross fire and been a friendly kill.

Now lets talk about "no gun zones." What an invitation to a mentally disturbed perp bent on making a name for him/herself.

Funny thought...Most of these psychopaths politics lean left. So if I was to use logic then liberals should not be allowed to possess a firearm.  :sarcasm:
 

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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2015, 09:25:59 AM »
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I wasn't there to assess the situation

Nor was I, but the implication of the interview was that he was there, had the tools, supposedly the training and could have made a difference "if allowed".  I have a lot of thoughts/feelings about that interview but I'll just say that if he didn't act to stop murder because some teacher says "no you can't go play with the shooter", then I'm glad my sons/daughters know how to "play" and not rely on those who need permission to engage for their safety. 

As far as the no gun zones, it's an invitation to hunt on a baited field for the criminal/terrorist. As for me, it depends whether they have a metal detector to enter. If not, I always go with mine if I really want/need to be there, but as a rule I do business elsewhere as a matter of principle.

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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2015, 12:05:30 PM »
The British Press is going haywire over this.

OMG.... Piers Morgan is going off over here big time.

They keep quoting the statistics on Gun Crime in the states.

Yet they do not quote real world statistics.

Firearms are pretty much outlawed here. Yet if you look at the statistics. Violent crime is at the same level here.

What the progressives in the world do not get is a simplistic thing.

Every weapon law only disarms the average citizen. By law you cannot carry anything that can be used as an offensive weapon here in the UK.

Yet the instances of violent crime have yet to go down.

One would wonder why we live in the UK though.

To be honest the quality of life is vastly better here. While we could debate the value of universal health care and the welfare state till the cows come home I would like to point out a few things.

I have yet to see a family living in their car here. There are very few homeless people here.

I have yet to see a person being delivered to an ER with life threatening issues, turned away due to not having health insurance.

That and contrary to the recreational press reports. The immigrant population is integrated into the population here. Looking at the ethnic breakdown of British Soldiers that served in Iraq and Afghanistan and you will find a significant amount of Muslim, Sihke and black soldiers.

Then again I am old and have a skewed view of the world.

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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2015, 12:43:16 PM »
So Piers Morgan took his ball and slithered back to the UK huh... LOL. You can have him.
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Re: Oregon Massacre Posts/Comments - Post Here
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2015, 02:51:57 PM »
@ OP: He's not MY president.

And I've seen the typical arguments in favor of gun control all over. One of my first cousins posted 6 anti-gun posts in two days. I wrote what amounted to a term paper with some citations in response to her posts. She responded to none of them.