Gay marriage re-Legalized in CA

[Kentactic]

Im glad im leaving CA but i dont have much hope of escaping the hatred for Traditional American Values when it comes to the topic of marriage. Today in CA it seems gay marriage has been upheld as legal and a constitutional right. On this topic i would not be sad to see states seceding from the union if in the future they are required to recognize gay marriages performed in other states. CA has always been the trend setter. Sad day for America.

[Ghost]

Why do people care about what others sexuality are? We're all humans. Doesn't matter our race, religion, sexuality, how we live our life, etc.

It's sad that stuff like that sill bother people.

[crudos]

Why do people care about what others sexuality are? We're all humans. Doesn't matter our race, religion, sexuality, how we live our life, etc.

It's sad that stuff like that sill bother people.

Well said Frosty. 

It's a great day in America for those this matters to, as it should be.

[JohnyMac]

Just a few comments from RI....

1) I have no problem if two men / women want to have a civil union and get married.
2) I do have a problem with the government telling churches they have to perform the ceremonies. So far that
     isn't the issue but it will be down the road.
3) My biggest issue is that the will of the California people have been ignored TWICE by the state. The
    Supreme Court today said Ca. could continue to do that as the lowly citizens didn't have the right to make
    laws. Similarly to the Obama Healthcare decision; the US Supreme court in essence said, "If you don't like it,
    then vote the crooks out of office. Of course that will never happen.
4) I do not have a problem with businesses who do not want to participate in a same couple wedding, e.g.
    bakeries, American Legion Hall, florists, etc. This will be the next push though from the gay community.
5) Last, bigamy is coming down the road next. Stay tuned....

I had a gay couple in Seattle who were friends. Haven't chatted with them in years though. Anyhow, they had a legal document that gave each other rights as if they were married. The only thing the document could not do was if one of them died his "stuff" could not be transferred to the other without a hefty "death tax."

In closing, Kentactic, I am so happy you are leaving that state. It was screwed up when we lived there and is several times worse now.   

[WhiteWolfReloaded]

 

[Kentactic]

Im with WW....


America and every freedom we have was built on families with a mom and a dad. If your willing to throw away a traditional free America so two dudes can get a tax break thats your choice. I will never be a willing part of it. This is another stepping stone towards the destruction of America.

[APX808]

This was approved a few years ago here in Argentina too.

I don't like it, but I also believe that people should be free to decide with whom they want to spend the rest of their life.
The govt, because of freedom of cult, won't be able to tell the church to marry gay couples and the church will continue to oppose to it.

What I don't like at all would be of gay couples adopting children.

[CrystalHunter1989]

Here we see a terrible fissure in the liberty community. People like myself, Christians, believe we should have liberty within the confines of God's law. Libertarians don't like this because it doesn't fit their definition of true freedom. Liberals hate it for obvious reasons. I can't tell you how many times I've heard people say, "You're going to look just like anti-interracial marriage protesters in 40 years."

No, we're going to look like a group of Americans who exercised their freedom of speech defending what they believe. If people from all persuasions of life cannot accept that, I think they have a skewed vision of what liberty really is. I fear we're seeing an era in the liberty movement where things that appear popular are going to be deemed morally right.

But it's no different now than it was in 1787. Washington and Jefferson had radically opposed views on what a patriot really is. Washington was very religious, Jefferson was a skeptic to put it politely. The real challenge is determining what should or should not bind our countrymen by law.

[Reaver]

Samesies

 

[Alex1992]

Hey if they want to be statistics to divorce lawyers and be miserable so be it

[JohnyMac]

Alex, right on!

I think you may have figured out man...The lawyers are behind it! Watch for a lot of more divorces. Gay marriage = divorces = more money for lawyers. I love it! 
 

[crudos]

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[WhiteWolfReloaded]

This was approved a few years ago here in Argentina too.

I don't like it, but I also believe that people should be free to decide with whom they want to spend the rest of their life.
The govt, because of freedom of cult, won't be able to tell the church to marry gay couples and the church will continue to oppose to it.

What I don't like at all would be of gay couples adopting children.

They are free to chose who they spend their lives with. That idea they propagate is so shallow it makes me sick. I've worked with so many gays over the years that blatantly admit they just want their agenda accepted. It's a sin. It always has been and always will be. Why else do you think they're called gay "pride parades." You ever seen a pedophile pride parade? How about a beastiality parade? No. Hmm, how about an adultery or swingers pride parade? This has been a part of the socialist agenda for years! They're getting what they want and not a fuck is given because "men" are to afraid to take a stand because they might hurt someones feelings. Or worse, be shunned for speaking the truth. I'll accept gay marriage when two dudes can fuck each other and make a baby naturally. Until then, I'm speaking the truth.  And if they or anyone else don't like it? 

P.S. It IS NOT a right. That like saying I have a "right" to marry a 13 year old because "I was born this way." Fuck that. Wrong is wrong.

[APX808]

This was approved a few years ago here in Argentina too.

I don't like it, but I also believe that people should be free to decide with whom they want to spend the rest of their life.
The govt, because of freedom of cult, won't be able to tell the church to marry gay couples and the church will continue to oppose to it.

What I don't like at all would be of gay couples adopting children.

They are free to chose who they spend their lives with. That idea they propagate is so shallow it makes me sick. I've worked with so many gays over the years that blatantly admit they just want their agenda accepted. It's a sin. It always has been and always will be. Why else do you think they're called gay "pride parades." You ever seen a pedophile pride parade? How about a beastiality parade? No. Hmm, how about an adultery or swingers pride parade? This has been a part of the socialist agenda for years! They're getting what they want and not a fuck is given because "men" are to afraid to take a stand because they might hurt someones feelings. Or worse, be shunned for speaking the truth. I'll accept gay marriage when two dudes can fuck each other and make a baby naturally. Until then, I'm speaking the truth.  And if they or anyone else don't like it? 

P.S. It IS NOT a right. That like saying I have a "right" to marry a 13 year old because "I was born this way." Fuck that. Wrong is wrong.

You are analyzing this from your religious point of view, so probably further discussion is pointless.

There are hetero couples that can't have children, should they be allowed to be married?
I don't think people's sexuality defines if they are good of bad people.

50 fucking percent of marriages end up in divorce, that was forbidden by the church also, and now is common thing.
Is ok for you to not like it, but you like it or not, calling them married or not, gay couples existed and will continue existing.
They are happy that way and will continue being gay even if the church, the gov or the society condemns them, you can't convince them to be hetero again.
 

[WhiteWolfReloaded]

So APX you're going to try and win an argument by deploying negative statistics? Are you trying to tell me gays should be married so they can be as fucked up as the rest of the godless hypocrites who let their flesh run their lives?  Brilliant approach there.

By the way, it's not just a religious thing. It's personal experience talking to friends and coworkers who have struggled with homosexuality, sexual abuse, molestation, and promiscuity.

[APX808]

I gave you many arguments that you decided to avoid replying for your convenience.
I can give you one more, aren't gays god's creation also?

[WhiteWolfReloaded]

I gave you many arguments that you decided to avoid replying for your convenience.
I can give you one more, aren't gays god's creation also?

How can I explain something to someone who doesn't want to understand? I'm not avoiding anything. I'm just not being blunt with you now because you and I both know you'll have a hissy and it should be done via PM's. Frankly though, I think it's pretty futile in your case because of your religious bias.

[APX808]

I gave you many arguments that you decided to avoid replying for your convenience.
I can give you one more, aren't gays god's creation also?

How can I explain something to someone who doesn't want to understand? I'm not avoiding anything. I'm just not being blunt with you now because you and I both know you'll have a hissy and it should be done via PM's. Frankly though, I think it's pretty futile in your case because of your religious bias.

What should I understand? That your religion sees it as bad? That your religion gives you the right to decide whats right and wrong?
I think I never met you before, so I dunno what you know about "my religion bias", and also the only one having a hissy are you, I'm just giving you arguments and trying to tell you that your religious arguments are just valid for people who follow your religion.

FYI I'm an apostolic roman catholic but I don't let an old book rule my life.

[special-k]

 

[Ghost]

Why do people care about what others sexuality are? We're all humans. Doesn't matter our race, religion, sexuality, how we live our life, etc.

It's sad that stuff like that sill bother people.

Guys....


We're suppose to be men, why not act like it (and maybe, just maybe, try and get along).

We all have difference in opinions. Personally I don't care if gay people get married, if they adopt kids, if one is Jewish and the other is Muslim, I don't care. But if they make a big deal about it, la dee da, good for them, but I won't listen because I'm doing my thing. If they don't like what I do, so what? So why should I care about their shit?

I could care less about what other people do (to some extent, don't get me wrong). But when they try to make a big deal about their stuff, I do have a problem. Like people pushing their religious/political opinions down my throat, or trying to get more from something because they're some sort of minority. You get my drift?

Yes I'm all over the place at trying to get my point across, blame the lack of sleep and excess PT lol. Lets all be men and try to get along, okay?

[Reaver]

You guys know I'm not bible guy.

I'm on the side of " pursuit of happiness "

Just don't come after my butthole and we're good. 

[Deathstyle]

Im glad they have the same legal rights as us.



My thoughts are similar to this

Gay Rights and Gun Rights

[Ghost]

Yeager did good, for once lol

[Grudgie]

As a Christian I am opposed to homosexuality. I am opposed to homosexual acts for myself. God gave me free will to choose sin, so I give that power to everyone else. God told Adam not to eat a particular fruit but he let Adam decide on his own.
 As a Christian, I will not engage in homosexual acts. As a Libertarian, gay marriage should be allowed for others. But as an anarchist, government has no business in marriage in the first place. You should be allowed to marry more than one wife, animals, chieldren, relatives, or any consenting combination thereof.

I can give you one more, aren't gays god's creation also?

I don't know if homosexuals are born homosexual. That is hole 'nother biological and genetic discussion. But I do know that being homosexual is not a sin. No more than being a heterosexual is a sin. Lustfull heterosexual thoughts of another woman is still a sin.

Do you guys think Incest, bestiality, and polygamy should be legalized next?

[special-k]

...Lustfull heterosexual thoughts of another woman is still a sin...

So what do you think about when you're jerkin' your gherkin?  And don't say you don't do it, 'cause lying is a sin too.