Unchained Preppers
General Category => News & Politics => Topic started by: JohnyMac on June 23, 2014, 10:46:21 AM
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It appears that .gov knew that USofA's southern border would be crossed by masses of young people in January 2014. This link (https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=c6d7c0050b912fbc917a46d6709d38bd&tab=core&tabmode=list&=s=opportunity&mode=form&id=c6d7c0050b912fbc917a46d6709d38bd&tab=core&tabmode=list&) advertises for Escort Service for Unaccountable Alien Children. Note the date when it was released.
This brings the question front and forward asking why? How does the USofA benefit from this migration? How does it benefit the Obama Administration? Why now?
I have so many questions but no answers...Thoughts?
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More strain on the economy. More potential voters for the Democratic Party. Higher percentage of Hispanic people compared to traditional Americans will help ensure the erosion of American culture more quickly. More strife between conservatives and illegals gives more ammunition to liberals. There are a ton of positives that this situation brings for the current administration.
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Fine by me.
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Sorry Ken...Would you expand your thoughts? Thanks
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Im not interested in stopping illegals from sucking up my tax dollars and/or profiting from drugs caused by the US government making it illegal. Im more concerned with stopping the theft through taxation and the tyrannical laws. Its wrong for an illegal to accept government handouts but its no more wrong then all the legal Americans who support the damn taxation in the first place. If we stop the criminal system in America then there will be no burden on any individual here if another rat tries to jump in the boat. We steal other people's money and then cry that others are trying to steal it from us. No sympathy here. Its every humans right to go wherever the heck they want to go so long as its not private property. If you dont want crazy thugs running drugs through America then stop restricting the free trade of it and if you dont want illegals sucking up government handouts then stop taxing people and providing them. Simple. Building a bigger wall and having more guys patrolling is just how you defend the criminals.
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Thank you Ken for your explanation. :thumbsUp:
My thoughts are it's all based in Cloward-Piven (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy).
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Interesting JM. That would fall in line with Karl Marx theory that socialism would be a natural evolution of society immediately following capitalism which would then be followed by communism.
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My thoughts are it's all based in Cloward-Piven (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy).
You realize that while saying "I don't want that commie/socialist plan to work" you are defending the "fascist"/socialist status quo right...
it's like cheering on the elephant team or donkey team. It's a false paradigm.
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Just to clarify... IMO, what is happening now on our southern border is direct from the writing of Cloward-Piven. In short, the goal is to overwhelm the system.
I picture the USofA is like a human body. A human body will heal itself in many cases without any help or intervention. With a little help it can bounce-back from almost anything.
On the other hand: If, again using the human body metaphor; If you overwhelm the human body with additional diseases, viruses, stress, etcetera it will not be able to bounce-back and become well.
In the case of the USofA we may have had a damn good cold in 2008 but what has been laid on is...
> War
> Corruption
> A movement from century old values
> Larger government
> More regulation
> Unemployment
> Scandal after scandal
> Our leaders breaking the law (s)
> Attack and or suspension on our Bill of Rights
> Estimated 100,000 children and young adults migrating across our border
> Etcetera....What have I missed?
Eventually, their will be too many things attacking the body called the United States of America and it will die.
On a brighter note:
Real gross domestic product -- the output of goods and services produced by labor and property
located in the United States -- decreased at an annual rate of 2.9 percent in the first quarter of 2014
according to the "third" estimate released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis.
News Release .gov (http://bea.gov/newsreleases/national/GDP/GDPnewsrelease.htm)
This number has been revised THREE times now. +.1% in April, <1%> in May and June 25, 2014 <2.9%>.
Have a good day... :suicide:
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"First Swine Flu Case Diagnoses Amongst Illegal Alien Children in Texas" (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/24/first-swine-flu-case-diagnosed-among-illegal-alien-children-at-texas-base/)
A young illegal immigrant child from Central America was diagnosed with swine flu Friday after crossing the Texas-Mexico border, necessitating 2,000 vaccines be shipped to Lackland Air Force Base to treat people who may have been exposed, U.S. authorities confirmed to TheBlaze.
The child was diagnosed after being transported from a border holding facility to the base, where he showed signs of illness and had to be hospitalized. It’s the first known case of the H1N1 virus to be diagnosed among the recent surge of unaccompanied immigrant children to arrive at the base, Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said.
Case in point...
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I think the point here is that to defend the border whereby trying to protect your country from "Cloward-Piven" and the progression of socialism, you end up just defending fascism. Far left to far right, its all collectivism.
Nobody can make a case for being in support of freedom while defending fascism.
Are you for freedom or are you for your country? You cannot say both. Dosent work.
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I am for freedom of USofA citizens and guests here legally from other countries. These freedoms are outlined in the US Bill of Rights and the Constitution.
My father came to the USofA legally in 1952. He had a sponsor and a green card. Was drafted 6 months after he arrived. Once he completed boot camp he became a citizen of the country.
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I tried very hard not to respond to this post Jmac but I apologize in advance if I step on any toes.
I am for freedom of USofA citizens and guests here legally from other countries. These freedoms are outlined in the US Bill of Rights and the Constitution.
OK Jmac the Bill of rights tells us that that there are freedoms but where do they come from? And why do they only apply to people that jumped through a series of legal hoops for which you need to poses a certain level of wealth for in order to get through (been through it).
My father came to the USofA legally in 1952. He had a sponsor and a green card. Was drafted 6 months after he arrived. Once he completed boot camp he became a citizen of the country.
Conscription (draft) is a form of involuntary servitude. Resisting it could land you in jail or shot. How is denying a man's right to life and liberty a form of freedom?
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I knew if I got a rise out of anyone I knew it would be you Burt ;)
I am aware that being a self acclaimed Libertarian I should not care who wonders in across our borders however I do. The main two reasons is monetary and the other is safety.
Monetary: My guest O'mat is that 80% illegal aliens that come across the border will some way or fashion end up on the government teat. Still wearing my guest O'mat hat here I would bet that 80% of legal aliens will not end up on the government teat.
Safety: I do not know the answer to this question however I feel that allowing a large percentage of illegal aliens to enter without going through proper channels will reduce safety. Some examples are:
> Gangs
> A large element of jobless people
> Diseases such as...Swine flu, TB, Chicken Pox, etc.,
> Terrorists planning mass destruction
As mentioned in an earlier post, my father came into this country legally. As also written he was drafted within 6 months post getting his green card. Was it servitude or was it the way things were done at the time. My father always spoke kindly to his time in the military. That time gave him, an American citizen some cool things like and education, low interest rate loans, hospitalization in his older years and a quick track to becoming an American citizen. Are these privileges just another example of a alien suckling on the American teat - Yes. However he earned it.
Also mentioned in the past, my sister in-law is a naturalized citizen. She was actually recruited by a hospital in the NYC area. In exchange she received a "fast track" to citizenship. During the 25+ years in the USofA she will proudly tell you that she has never suckled on the teat of the federal or state government (s).
So there you go. My rather rather "middle class" take on illegal people migrating across the border without some kind of checks & balances. :D
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I am for freedom of USofA citizens and guests here legally from other countries. These freedoms are outlined in the US Bill of Rights and the Constitution.
My father came to the USofA legally in 1952. He had a sponsor and a green card. Was drafted 6 months after he arrived. Once he completed boot camp he became a citizen of the country.
So freedom stops at the US border and the rulers of this land decide who may enter and gain access to this controlled freedom? Now if I'm a legal US citizen and I go outside this border do I retain my rights to freedom?
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I knew if I got a rise out of anyone I knew it would be you Burt ;)
I know these are not simple questions Jmac, and you don't owe anyone any answers, except for yourself.
I just ask you look beyond the blaze.
Check out the Christian concept of natural rights, some real interesting history & context there.
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Thanks Burt.
You are an asset to the forum as you help people think outside their comfort zone whether it be politics or re-engineering a mouse trap. ;)
Ken wrote:
Now if I'm a legal US citizen and I go outside this border do I retain my rights to freedom?
No Ken you do not. Case in point, Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi sitting in a Mexican jail for violating Mexican law. You are governed my the law of the land you entered.
This topic has morphed from a question of why .gov is allowing this migration of young illegal aliens to cross our borders to a philosophical discussion on whether people should be allowed to move across countries borders at will.
I would like to bring the discussion back to the original question of...
This brings the question front and forward asking why? How does the USofA benefit from this migration? How does it benefit the Obama Administration? Why now?
The only forum member to address the original question was Rah45 and myself. Would anybody else care to offer an opinion to the original question?
Just asking :tongueFun:
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It smells like a political bargaining chip to me... The release/transfer intended to force someone's hand.
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Sorry, double post on my part. Don't know how to delete via Tapatalk.
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Thanks Burt.
You are an asset to the forum as you help people think outside their comfort zone whether it be politics or re-engineering a mouse trap. ;)
I'll second that, JMac.
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Well if i was a ruler.... id do it to strengthen the nationalism of my slaves in order to regain support for my facade. Ill direct you to the immediate response of all of the "patriots" rushing to their border with guns to help "defend" their island. Its like reverse psychology. The ruler pretends to slack off and the slaves carry out his agenda for him. They actually think they are doing the opposite of what he wants.
This has been done many times in our history. Another example is when our government attacked the twin towers in order to strengthen nationalism and gain support for future crimes on other countries.
They did a similar thing with pearl harbor in order to get into the war. They did everything in our power to force Japan to attack us so they could strengthen nationalism and could join the war and make big bucks for a few.
Another slightly different example would be the pledge of allegiance.
The pledge of allegiance as originally written by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy and adopted in 1892. Created specifically to strengthen nationalism.
"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/29/a2yqu4e2.jpg)
All of these done to strengthen nationalism....
So I would say its just another way to strengthen nationalism and further criminal agendas. What is the specific agenda related to the recent influx of immigrants? Maybe they want to build a high voltage fence we cant penetrate? Who knows... but its certainly not a good idea to grab our flags and guns and take the bait.
For all I know Bunkerville was another way to strengthen nationalism. The feds sure did back of quite easily. We got cool pictures of the American flag being waved on horseback on the top of a hill and all that good nationalist stuff.
Its important to their plans that they keep nationalism strong. They need us to support their crimes.
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They look like...
http://arthuride.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/nazi-salute-school-children-1944.jpg (http://arthuride.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/nazi-salute-school-children-1944.jpg)
or...
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-pNaOoKF63YY%2FTVqIx6ZN1oI%2FAAAAAAAAAC4%2Fry0mIbTakKE%2Fs1600%2Fnazi%2Bschoolkids1939.gif&f=1 (https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-pNaOoKF63YY%2FTVqIx6ZN1oI%2FAAAAAAAAAC4%2Fry0mIbTakKE%2Fs1600%2Fnazi%2Bschoolkids1939.gif&f=1)
doesn't it Ken.
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They look like...
[url]http://arthuride.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/nazi-salute-school-children-1944.jpg[/url] ([url]http://arthuride.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/nazi-salute-school-children-1944.jpg[/url])
or...
[url]https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-pNaOoKF63YY%2FTVqIx6ZN1oI%2FAAAAAAAAAC4%2Fry0mIbTakKE%2Fs1600%2Fnazi%2Bschoolkids1939.gif&f=1[/url] ([url]https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-pNaOoKF63YY%2FTVqIx6ZN1oI%2FAAAAAAAAAC4%2Fry0mIbTakKE%2Fs1600%2Fnazi%2Bschoolkids1939.gif&f=1[/url])
doesn't it Ken.
Second link doesn't work brother.
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Well if i was a ruler.... id do it to strengthen the nationalism of my slaves in order to regain support for my facade.
I had a pretty shitty day at work, Ken and this made my night...
I salute you!... Oh wait... :o
Keep in mind the there is a lot of infighting amongst the US government , not D vs R but more for me less for you, type.
Also I feel this needs to be posted to lighten the mood.
http://youtu.be/fxGqcCeV3qk (http://youtu.be/fxGqcCeV3qk)
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Well if i was a ruler.... id do it to strengthen the nationalism of my slaves in order to regain support for my facade.
I had a pretty shitty day at work, Ken and this made my night...
I salute you!... Oh wait... :o
Keep in mind the there is a lot of infighting amongst the US government , not D vs R but more for me less for you, type.
Also I feel this needs to be posted to lighten the mood.
[url]http://youtu.be/fxGqcCeV3qk[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/fxGqcCeV3qk[/url])
LOL... good video Burt!
I agree there certainly are internal struggles for power within government aswell.
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That's it Ken, MrsMac and I have to watch again Monty Python and The Holy Grail. :lmfao:
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LOL Jmac
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(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/03/mype6equ.jpg)
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:lmfao: :thumbsup:
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Well I went out to the Border Patrol station in Murrieta CA today. This is where they blocked a bus of immigrants on Tuesday and all that.
Today the police were out in full force. I found it saddening to see these two groups(Conservative and Liberal) fighting over how the opression should be distributed. Meanwhile we are confined to a taped off area and there stands half of the damn murrieta police force and several Border Patrol agents ready to grab anyone who isn't press, that crosses their line. They don't even realize whats happening right in front of them. Basically what the police were doing was protecting the entrance to the facility. In the first picture you can see them adding a center box through the crowd so the left and right can literally be on opposing sides and the cops can stand between them.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/05/yny8amev.jpg)(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/05/6urubu8a.jpg)(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/05/a7a6uhyp.jpg)(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/05/u2ena3e8.jpg)
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Ken,
1) Thanks for going and taking the pictures.
2) Thanks for posting the info. You are truly UP's reporter on the ground this year! :cheers:
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No problem!
I have now received info that the police got into their riot outfits. Maybe a good boot on these peoples head will wake them up to the real problem. I'm not wishing harm on anyone but these people screamed for their rulers to opress people all day. Maybe they'll get a taste of it.
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I don't think so Ken...I don't think so.
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Border Patrol Agent Apparently Defies Gag Order to Go Unfiltered on CNN – Hear His Big Claim About Obama Admin.
In an interview with CNN, Garza said the current influx of illegal immigrants is “organized” and “orchestrated” by the drug cartels. Additionally, he said the federal government is giving illegal immigrants a “free pass.” He said the feds are using the equivalent of the honor system in asking illegal immigrants to later report to an immigration hearing — even though the majority of them will never do so.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/07/03/border-patrol-agent-apparently-defies-gag-order-to-go-unfiltered-on-cnn-hear-his-big-claim-about-obama-admin/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/07/03/border-patrol-agent-apparently-defies-gag-order-to-go-unfiltered-on-cnn-hear-his-big-claim-about-obama-admin/)