Oath Keepers is going operational

[Colombo]

Dang it's late, I hope this crap I wrote reads coherently to me when I get up.

[rah45]

Just to give you guys some motivation, I'm thoroughly interested in this conversation (in a good way). Please continue.

 

[Kentactic]

DVC,

-Are you willing to fight under certain circumstances? (If you answered "YES" move to the next question)

-Are you a member of any militia? (If you answered "NO" move to the next question)

-Do you believe there are more like yourself?

The point here is to hopefully (if you answered the right way) show that there's many more "sleeper cells" then you can count in organized groups.

[Colombo]

DVC,

-Are you willing to fight under certain circumstances? (If you answered "YES" move to the next question)

-Are you a member of any militia? (If you answered "NO" move to the next question)

-Do you believe there are more like yourself?

The point here is to hopefully (if you answered the right way) show that there's many more "sleeper cells" then you can count in organized groups.

It's also the future disenfranchised, just look to boston and l.a. recently and consider the effects of longer term occupation on the lines of a week or more. The locals are going to be getting annoyed to say the least. The exposure of the regime to sabotage, theft, repair padding, of equipment and personnel  (alphabet boys and local law enforcement don't do mechanical work or tire changing, they live in hotels/motels on their downtime, eat in restaurants...   
....Mechanical sabotage, bedbugs, and food poisoning could all be risks to unsympathetic thugs acting on behalf of beltway overlords. Consider the further crackdowns and bad attitudes toward joe public when the thugs have to eat MREs and sleep in makeshift barracks or seized homes getting glares from new unwelcoming neighbors. This is not even taking "unfortunate incidents" into consideration.

[USMC0331]

@Kentactic
I see your point and agree there are other Americans that will come to the forefront if pushed too far, but my point is that by the time that happens the battle will be over.  The amount of surveillance our nation has, coupled with the "see someone turn them in" programs of past regimes will make organizing impossible if there is not already a structure in place. 

OK's are stepping into that void, but I fear they are doing so alone without the backing of the same Americans you speak of which is self defeating.  "Pay me now or pay me later" always costs more later.


@Colombo
Thanks for clarification, it made good sense.  I do think the best your description can hope for though is random "Patriot Anarchy" without a structured plan and organization to see it through.  Just as the US .gov looks for a "faction" to support in other countries when helping promote regime change, the Chinese, Russia, etc. are going to need to find the same and without outside .mil arms flowing in, the .mil on US soil will make quick work of any rebels trying to restore a Republic.

I see the OK's stance as a good chance to keep the local LEO's honest and from corruption by .fed agencies (namely DHS) wanting to carry out the regimes wishes. 

Case in point, why are there no local LEOs taking the side of those two 80 year olds being evicted from their home today at Lake Mead  Excellent op for the local LEO to support their citizens from .gov tyranny but without a group of armed patriots to help kick them in the ass by standing up for the old folks, they default to "yes sir, make life miserable till the shutdown is over" mode and do nothing for those they are suppose to work for.

Having a base established in the community that responds to these kinds of injustices with a response that local LEO will not want to confront, and by those that would rather the local LEO did their job so they did not have to, might keep them honest enough to slow the tide of tyranny.  Big might... but even if it does nothing other than establish an armed neighborhood watch program it's a good thing for freedom IMO.

Who will get behind it is the question.  If you wait until they come for you, chances are most that would have helped have been taken away because you would not get involved when they were taken.

I'm just thinking out loud also, I have no plan or idea of where my line is right now, but I'm thinking about lines for the first time in my life and I did take an oath to defend this nation.  My question is does the nation want to be defended or should it get what it asks for?

[Kentactic]

@DVC, I see what your saying. It is likely that fighting too late in the game will be pointless. Some may fight anyways. The colonists supposidly had no chance but they fought unconventionally "like cowards" and they won. They used their enemies pride against them. If there is a fight to be had in this nation I believe the path will be shown to us when it is time. I need to believe that. Many say our constitution was written with direct influence from god just like the bible. Maybe he can influence Americans today to make this nation great again... where there is still will there is still some way.

[rah45]

I'm just thinking out loud also, I have no plan or idea of where my line is right now, but I'm thinking about lines for the first time in my life and I did take an oath to defend this nation.  My question is does the nation want to be defended or should it get what it asks for?

This is what bothers me the most.

[USMC0331]

Rah,
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[rah45]

Rah,
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I was referring to the difficulty in finding that place within yourself in which you become clear regarding how much oppression is too much to bear. The part of you that resolves to take action to stop whatever negative force threatens you and what you hold dear, no matter the consequences. I have yet to find mine.

[Kentactic]

Rah,
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I was referring to the difficulty in finding that place within yourself in which you become clear regarding how much oppression is too much to bear. The part of you that resolves to take action to stop whatever negative force threatens you and what you hold dear, no matter the consequences. I have yet to find mine.

I pray none of us ever find it. We can draw lines all day. We won't know if they are drawn correctly until they are crossed. Every man who found their line did what they had to. If I find mine I hope it will not have been delayed by fear.

[sledge]

To be sure, there are people in certain circles of government who are wondering where that collective line is as well.  That explains the domestic surveillance, purchases, and training exercises that use patriots as the bad guys.   

[USMC0331]

Yes, the line from an ideological point was crossed 100 years ago in my book with the creation of the Fed and the enslavement it brought to America, then the "New Deal" piled on, and it's just snowballed from their.

Only recently has America even considered that they have been robbed of their freedom because it's starting to become inconvenient for them, but when does enough become enough?  My fear is that it's likely when it's too late to change it.  I think about the Jews in WWII and how they might have had a chance early on, but by the time they knew they had to fight, they were disarmed and demonized.  Both are in play today in America only the "Jew" is the "prepper" these days.

Did anyone see the language change that's happening in the laws? Look at the full title of this HR (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr1584) and put 2+2 together.  We can already black site "terrorists" and drone them even if they are a US Citizen, now we are trying to add "domestic" and "home grown" to the language which IS everyone on this board that is a prepper.  DHS has already labelled you exactly that in many of their training manuals.

I'd say we are halfway through the poem...

    First they came for the communists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

    Then they came for the socialists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    Then they came for me,
    and there was no one left to speak for me.

[crudos]

I'd say we are halfway through the poem...

    First they came for the communists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

    Then they came for the socialists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    Then they came for me,
    and there was no one left to speak for me.

So DVC, did you stand up for the Occupy Movement too, or did you cheer when the police crackdowns occurred? I have to assume you stood up for the communists, socialists, and trade unionists by your use of Pastor Niem?ller's prose? Or do we just speak out for those we agree with? All in all, seems a bit disingenuous to use that poem.

[USMC0331]

@crudos,
Define stand up?  Did I feel they had a right to their 1st Amendment and assembly?  Yes.  Do I feel "free speech zones" are a violation of the same?  Yes.  Did I march on Washington and demand that the local LEO do their job and protect their constitutional rights? No.

As far as putting myself on the line, I have not done so outside of the .mil 30 years ago for anything.  How about you?

I think that fits in perfectly with the poem as it's THE POINT OF IT!

EDIT TO ADD:

dis?in?gen?u?ous
    1.   not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.
    synonyms:   insincere, dishonest, untruthful, false, deceitful, duplicitous, lying, mendacious; More

Which synonym where you thinking of when you called me that?  Since I fail to see how I could be charged with knowing more than I wrote about the comparison between preppers and Jews of WWII in the context provided?  And what exactly did I say to make you think I was being "insincere, dishonest, untruthful, false, deceitful, etc"?

EDITED AGAIN TO ADD:
If you want to bash my character, please open another thread and get it over with, otherwise don't read into what I post past what I post.  Please?  There is no hidden agenda with me.  If my opinion is not acceptable here, say so and I'll move on, otherwise lay off the personal attacks.

[thatGirl]

As usual, Crudos' comments are very astute and apply to everyone, not just DVC. Our whole scene here is about maintaining our freedoms, emphasis on our-- we have shown a lot of narrow mindedness and lack of tolerance for any political group that differs in opinion. The main point is that none of us are going to stand up for the communists or socialists, despite a similar struggle to keep a different ammendment right-- the main reason we may lose this battle.

@DVC
From what I've seen, you are very quick to judge others and attack character, so why are you so defensive of others engaging you in a similar, but in fact, more respectful manner than you engage them?

He who casts stones may find himself plagued by fear of being stoned...

[APX808]

 

Please not the same history again.

If someone wants to bash someone else character, please send him a PM, go to drink a beer and talk it, or arrange a fucking duel but not in this forum threads.

[crudos]

I see nothing that resembles a personal attack. thatGirl gets what I'm saying.