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Offline rah45

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Re: Do you like Mitt Romney as much as I do?
« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2012, 12:48:58 PM »
Aaaanddd...that's +1 Karma for Outonowhere.  [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co

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Re: Do you like Mitt Romney as much as I do?
« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2012, 12:59:07 PM »
Damn guys. See this right here is the problem. Just because someone doesn't vote for Paul doesn't mean they don't support our constitution. I agree with Johnny that Paul doesn't stand a chance against Obama. Fact is Paul is too old for this and if he goes up against Obama, Obama will only condescend his old ass all day and night long.

Aside from the hippies I seriously question why Paul is getting so much support from racist and Muslims. Probably because once again, he so eloquently denies Israel full support while backing Iran to get nuclear "power" for their ownnational sovereignty. All the while both sides hate Israel and all Jews and have openly expressed the desire to kill them all. Yeah, I know, I'm kicking a dead horse, but my point here is there are a number of reasons I don't consider Paul the ideal candidate. He's a good speaker and has a fair idea of what this country needs, but he doesn't get the full picture. Not saying Santorum does either, but I think he could get there and debate Obama right off the stage.

Last thing I'll say is this. I love our Constitution. Many of the provisions outlined still hold true today. However, it is not a perfect document and it was not written by perfect men. In fact many of those men were Free Mason deist scum. Specifically Thomas Jefferson.

 "The Christian God can be easily pictured as virtually the same as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, evil and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed, beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of the people who say they serve him. The are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites." Thomas Jefferson

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man"
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Anyone wanting to see a bit of truth I'd suggest read on here for more: http://www.theology.edu/journal/volume2/ushistor.htm

Additionally I suggest people start to realize the nature of this nation. Ignorance is not ommision from the truth.

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Re: Do you like Mitt Romney as much as I do?
« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2012, 01:10:18 PM »

"The Christian God can be easily pictured as virtually the same as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, evil and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed, beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of the people who say they serve him. The are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites." Thomas Jefferson

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man"
 Thomas Jefferson


Slander! Slander!  LOL!   Next you'll be saying that Andrew Jackson and Grant had drinking problems.  Or that Lincoln wasn't anti slavery until he decided it would help him win the war.  Or that Franklin was a male whore who spent more time chasing skirts than he did writing Poor Richard's Almanac.  LOL! 



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Re: Do you like Mitt Romney as much as I do?
« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2012, 01:17:13 PM »
First off I have not said a GD thing about anyone who DOESN'T vote for Paul being unpatriotic.  What I HAVE been saying is that out of ALL the candidates, including Santorum, Paul is the only one who will NOT continue in some degree the direction and path that Obama, and even those before him have set us upon.

And last time I checked religion had nothing to do with government... THAT would be called a Theocracy.
Presidents are people and are NOT gods and are imperfect, but to vote for even the softest of tyrant's in the hopes of changing things for the better is to invite the chains of servitude.

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Re: Do you like Mitt Romney as much as I do?
« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2012, 01:25:29 PM »
First off I have not said a GD thing about anyone who DOESN'T vote for Paul being unpatriotic.  What I HAVE been saying is that out of ALL the candidates, including Santorum, Paul is the only one who will NOT continue in some degree the direction and path that Obama, and even those before him have set us upon.

And last time I checked religion had nothing to do with government... THAT would be called a Theocracy.
Presidents are people and are NOT gods and are imperfect, but to vote for even the softest of tyrant's in the hopes of changing things for the better is to invite the chains of servitude.

I will do as I will, and you as you will.


OH and Lincoln was a dick... lol
If religion has no place in government than why is our money covered in pagan symbols identified from the time of King Solomon and Ba'al worship, because that money is still being printed and doesn't change the symbols. If it has no place in our government than why did men like this fight so hard to get it out? Why do they institute things like evolution in our education system which have been proven to be false. Yes proven. Or do you believe you're a monkey? The "god" on "in god we trust" is not the Christian, Hebrew, or Islamic God of our fathers. I'm not trying to be combative with you, but don't speak about things you don't fully understand. And I implore you to go back and actually read the article I posted and observe the section on seperation of church and state.
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Re: Do you like Mitt Romney as much as I do?
« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2012, 01:30:02 PM »
GD

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chains of servitude.

That's pretty eloquent there Mr. Poet.  LOL!


OH and Lincoln was a dick... lol

Yes he was.  That sucker caused me to lose a really nice house and a lot of acreage in my inheritance.  The bastard!



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Re: Do you like Mitt Romney as much as I do?
« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2012, 01:44:16 PM »
Aaaanddd...that's +1 Karma for Outonowhere. 

So if I start agreeing with you I can get some +1's?

Ron Paul Is The Man!  LOL!

I'm such a whore.  LOL!



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Re: Do you like Mitt Romney as much as I do?
« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2012, 05:19:49 PM »
Yep, Sledge if you agree with me you will receive +1 Karma as your fee.  ;)

I agree with OONW based on his principles and logic. I severely disagree with WW's portrayal of what this country is. In my opinion, whatever the past may be, the U.S. today is a nation trending more and more towards a secular lifestyle. We may preach religions, but most of us do what the self-admitted secular people (like me) do every day anyway. What the Founding Fathers believed regarding religion is, to me, inconsequential because that is not the issue. The issue is whether you will elect someone who 100% supports the Constitution, a secular document written to serve as the law of this nation, independent of religion. The men who wrote it and who have held office for much of America's history might have been Christian, but that document itself is written for all of us.

I have debated in two different threads the decisions by WW and JMac to support Santorum over Paul, and have asked both if they support Santorum primarily because of his very pro-Christian beliefs. Both times my questions have gone unanswered. This leads me to believe that you do support the Constitution, from the filter of Christianity. This, in my opinion, installs blinders regarding issues concerning Israel, and makes it harder to disagree if legislation is proposed that would further pro-Christian agendas at the cost of non-Christian citizens. Paul is Christian, but he doesn't advocate the same things that Santorum does. Paul is not overly friendly with homosexuals, from what I understand, but he does acknowledge their right under the Constitution to act as individuals. I cannot say that I "trust" Santorum to do the same. There are other issues, but that is the foremost in my mind. Paul is the only one who has obeyed the Constitution throughout his career, which is a substantial number of years as a Congressman. That fact alone should qualify him and him alone as the suitable candidate for the presidency.

I don't know about OONW (I suspect he feels the same way I do), but I believe that NOW is the time to vote on principle. Sledge and others want to play the waiting game, but don't admit that it is the same game their fathers and grandfathers played before them. Did it do any good? No. It won't do any good now. You're hoping for change from an avenue that will never present said change, just like many of the Obamanites did. If Santorum is elected, after his term you'll still be sitting there saying, "Well, we can try again...I know he did some unconstitutional things, but I think more people woke up and will take charge." You're not taking into account that the longer we wait, the longer the Federal government has to further its agenda: gradually monitoring/taking our methods of communication, threatening/eliminating our means of self-defense, and further eroding what little quality education we can actually provide to the next generation. This brings my next point to light: what grand "awakening" can you expect when such a huge portion of the population comes from federal and state-controlled school systems, which encourage obedience over questioning authority, submission to the contest for freedom? Your hopes are false. The awakening we have now is the only one you can count on to carry on the fight for freedom. For all you know, this could be the largest window of opportunity you have. You might blow it all for a hope of change.

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Re: Do you like Mitt Romney as much as I do?
« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2012, 05:33:39 PM »
So Rah,  Taking Ron Paul out of the picture. Who do you vote for?  Or do you vote at all?  I'm sorry.  I know you don't want to hear this.  Voting for Dr. Paul and not voting at all are equal.  It means having no effect on who the next President will be.

Although, I agree with Paul's domestic agenda, I prefer to have an effect.  To me, not voting or wasting a vote by voting for someone who will not win is the same as what you termed "kicking the can down the road".  It has the same effect if you see what I mean.

All that said, it is your privilege to cast your vote any way you see fit, or not at all.   



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Re: Do you like Mitt Romney as much as I do?
« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2012, 06:14:53 PM »
No, what I'm saying is that you throw everything you are behind Paul, and if he doesn't win then you get what's coming. I'm saying that if people haven't woken up enough by now to see that Paul is the only true Constitutionalist there, there likely won't be a better chance to elect him. Which means, kicking the can down the road won't do any good because the chance of restoring liberty becomes more and more slim. If the American populace is too ignorant to see what the Obama administration wants to do to this nation, then perhaps a taste of it is what they need to have. More unemployment, more law enforcement crackdowns on peaceful protestors, more unconstitutional acts to fuel the fire of "rage against the machine" ( :P ) that is necessary for people to awaken and look for other options. I'm saying that, in my opinion, you only ever had two realistic choices: you either vote for the Constitutionalist and win, or you go down fighting in the elections and help stir the flames of discontent as the Obama administration makes its rounds yet again. The American Revolution was largely successful not because they were all just such good patriots - uh-uh. The Revolutionary movement gained followers because people like Samuel Adams helped get their neighbors pissed off enough that they were ready not only to die, but to kill to seize their liberties.

I don't want a violent revolution. Truly. It scares the shit out of me, and I'm not sure what I'd be able to do. I desperately want a political solution. However, I know that the political "solutions" have not helped us at all for longer than you have been alive, Sledge." I also realize that there are a huge number of true patriots (if not outwardly, at least in their hearts ready for an awakening), especially considering the Vietnam, Gulf War and Afghanistan/Iraq vets, that have the training and motivation to teach and help defend those of us with the heart, but lacking the skills. We have the manpower right now to truly stand up and say, "We will not back down in the light of the government's unconstitutional actions against the American people, and we will resist attempts to force our submission. Your move." Wait another two or three administrations, and the Vietnam vets will be gone, the Gulf War vets will be old, liberty's teeth may very well have become even more dull and our chance for large, justified, constitutional resistance may have been lost. My fear is that you advocate what the German Jews advocated, which was to accept certain evils in the hopes that an opportunity within the system would arrive and the bad times would pass. They were dead wrong.

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Re: Do you like Mitt Romney as much as I do?
« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2012, 11:31:27 AM »
Thank you Rah, I honestly just grew tired of posting yesterday. lol

I am well aware of ALL the different symbolism and wording that is within the documents and what-not of our country from the very beginning.  Obviously being a free country each individual is able to view/practice religion as they see fit, which in turn has some general degree on their words and actions.  This is where the line is drawn.

(US) Republic (as meant) - "GOD" or "CREATOR" is a general term that can be embraced by all regardless of religion.  Some acknowledge the divines hand on our country being formed and call for praise, thanks and blessings on both the "creator" and our country.  We DO NOT (or/and should not) look to the bible or ANY other religious text for law or governing.  That is what the constitution and bill of rights are for.  Hence why we in OK overwhelmingly voted to NOT allow our court system to use Sharia or any other international law, only OUR US and OK law.

Theocracy is where the priest (by whatever name) and the president are one and the same.  The constitutions and other governing laws and documents read like pages and text out of religious texts.

Also about our money, I would be satisfied with having the friggin Mr. MoneyBags himself on there cause its worth about the same as whats in a box of Monopoly when you get down to it...
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