Dems, Left Wing Media Claim Russian Hacking an ‘Act of War’

[JoJo]

 The democrats have gone off the deep end they have no idea what the world and especially this country would look like after a nuclear war. Do they think a war with Russia would be like Iraq or Afghanistan and that it would not escalate to nukes.
YOU CAN'T CURE STUPID

https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/17/dems-left-wing-media-claim-russian-hacking-an-act-of-war/



President Trump’s remarks prompted an onslaught of calls for the U.S. to respond to Russia’s alleged meddling, described as an “act of war.”

Leading up to the high stakes meeting between President Trump and Putin, CNN New Day host Chris Cuomo repeatedly accused Russia of “election hacking” to wage war against the U.S. “The big, ugly white elephant in the room will be the U.S. election hacking,” Cuomo speculated. “We’ve been calling it meddling, but I’m trying to stay away from the word because it’s just way too mild. This is an act of war.”

The CNN host described the Russian hacking allegations as “the truth”: “How does [Donald Trump] raise the act of war of the hacking and different attacks during the U.S. election when Vladimir Putin knows damn well that President Trump doesn’t really believe the truth and doesn’t put a whole lot of stock in the event itself?”

HuffPo’s Mike Signorile published an opinion-editorial on Monday morning affirming Russia committed an “act of war,” while accusing President Trump of refusing to discuss the allegations of meddling with the Russian President.

[JohnyMac]

The Dem's, the media, and SES (Senior Executive Service) are now a bit scared with AAG Rosenstein's announcement that no Americans are being indicted concerning Muller's Russian probe and the 13 Russians who are is being turned over to the DOJ department that monitors espionage. NO AMERICANS INDICTED FOR THE RUSSIAN COLLUSION.

Many think the announcement last Friday was a hit on Trump but in reality it was released on a slow news day so it would get buried.

I suspect if Muller wraps up by Labor Day and says there is no collusion the left will go nuts.

[Erick]

The soft coup is getting ever harder..

[JoJo]

The soft coup is getting ever harder..

 It's getting seriously bad. One congressman called for a military coup but is now backing off. Oh I didn't mean that. Yeah right!
 The ramping up of anti Trump (anti America) rhetoric is getting much louder, the democrats and the rino's have lost it. The question is how will it start., Will it start with an attempt on the Presidents life, no I don't think so they don't want to make him a another JFK. It's going to be a very eventful summer.

[Kbop]

i believe Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, George Papadopoulos, Michael Flynn, Richard Pinedo are all Americans.
all were investigated for interactions with Russia and other countries and charged with various things related to the investigation. 

I keep hearing that this is a witch hunt - they seem to have found a few witches.  Alot of these continuing investigations are about American citizens acting as foreign agents -  close enough to 'collusion' for ball park discussions.  At this point, i'm interested in the full story.  Stopping the investigation will bury it.  More and more Republicans are asking questions now.

Flynn has been working with Russia, Turkey and a couple of other countries then got caught lying about it and laundering money.

my faith in the Republican party and definitely Trump, especially after his behavior after this last trip, is wavering.  Russia isn't our friend.  The law should apply to everyone.  If you break your oath, there should be consequences.
 

[JoJo]

 kbop all of the congressmen have made some kind of contact with Russia. Businessmen all try to sell goods to Russia its called capitalism. Bernie Sanders even had his honeymoon in Russia. Not everyone in Russia works for Putin same as everyone here doesn't work for our President.
 Not one of the people you mentioned had anything to do with the witch hunt. The MSM will tell you otherwise to make you question President Trumps abilities, they called him all kinds of names hoping one will stick.
 As far as the republican party I gave up on them two years ago, I only trust the Tea Party and the conservatives of the party. I even have my doubts about Trey Goudy. 
   

[Kbop]

@JoJo, hobnobbing with foreign government officials and businessmen is part of diplomacy.  I don't have a problem with that - but there are 'rules of engagement' for them.  This is to avoid them feathering their own nest.  for a good example of that, just look at Pelosi and Feinstein - I have to wonder why they aren't under investigation - oh yeah, they exempt themselves from all the laws they vote on as nearly the first act of their session's.  But like i mentioned below, the indicted individuals were involved in dealings with Russia, specifically Russia - outside their legal boundaries.   They violated American laws and some people seem to think its ok.  It isn't ok with me, i happen to like the Constitution of the United States, see section 9 clause 8. 
JoJo, i get the MSM spin machine.  it works on several different levels.  Cut through the rhetoric and read the Flynn and Manafort indictments.  If it is true, they hung a for sale sign on their position.  its a bit dry and boring but enough to go to court with and to get guilty pleas and pass motions to dismiss in front of dyed in the wool republican jurists.  they are available online.  if you would like links, let me know.
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this is either a massive witch hunt - and the people conducting it are going to find it backfires them and they will end up on the wrong side of the dockett. or Trumps administration will go down in history - I'm interested in how that narrative will play out.

Trump kissed Putin's ass a couple of days ago - genius diplomacy or a person being blackmailed reporting in?  I'm not smart enough to know at this time - I'll let the investigation work its way out.  I'm interested in the facts of the matter not the rhetoric.

[JoJo]

@kbop I don't believe Trump would kiss anyone's a$$, his answer about if he believed Putin (Russia) interfered in our election was a defensive response. If he said he did that would be an agreement that he didn't win the election fairly, that the election was stolen. That is the reason for the MSM outrage, he wouldn't admit it because it isn't true.
 If it wasn't a massive witch hunt then why wont the FBI and DOJ give up the papers that Congress asks for with out redacting or slow walking them. 

[JoJo]

The first sentence says it all. The rest is a complete read on what happened, it's long but it explains everything far better than I could.

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/u-s-president-donald-trump-initially-refused-to-acknowledge-manufactured-reality_07182018

Why should Trump give any credence to the intelligence agencies who first tried to prevent, and later subvert, his presidency?

    You may not be able to alter reality, but you can alter your attitude towards it, and this, paradoxically, alters reality. Try it and see.

    – Margaret Atwood

The above quote, attributed to the author of “The Handmaid’s Tale”, is seemingly representative of the elite establishment today in their dystopian zeal to erase the presidency of Donald Trump.  How? By means of manufacturing an Attitudinal New Reality complete with Orwellian-style and Twilight Zone-type narratives reminiscent of the “Upside Down” , the other-worldly dimension of Netflix’s “Stranger Things”.

Of course, where we are today was likely inevitable from the start.

[Kbop]

If it wasn't a massive witch hunt then why wont the FBI and DOJ give up the papers that Congress asks for with out redacting or slow walking them.

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its an active investigation.  SOP

[JoJo]

its an active investigation.  SOP

The Mueller investigation is active but what congress wants is information about the FISA warrant and if there was extreme bias and criminal activities before and after the election. Two separate investigations.
 If there was criminal acts with the FISA warrant then the Mueller investigation was wrongly started.     

[Kbop]

Benghazi and Russia gate - both seem equally ridiculous.  both went/are going on for far too long.
1 is producing results.  1 involved negligence and incompetence.  1 involves possible collusion and possible sedition. 

I'll wait on the completion of the investigation - both sides are biased.  The FISA warrant has been unsealed.  Trump could declassify it tomorrow - so... why not release it - Trump is the CiC afterall.   Trump could order the release of all the information it is within his purview. 

so i have to ask, what is Trump hiding?  His own party has threatened to impeach him if he shuts the investigation down.  I'm interested in what happened.  i have a vested interest in knowing.

 

[gadget99]

Nothing surprising really.

The Soviets and now Russians have always believed in human intelligence as a primary in espionage work. There have been, are and always will be Russian agent's working in the US. It used to be that the laws already in place that governed how people should interact with other nations were followed well. If someone crossed the line then they were held to account.

For some reason that I cannot really pin down. The whole landscape has shifted into the weirdness we find ourselves in today.

It is beyond belief that so much of our populace are suddenly surprised that Russia is doing things in their self interest. Other nations will do whatever they can to improve their interests around the world.

Since time immemorial nations acting in their own self interests. Spy on each other. Interfere with other countries internal working in their own interests. This truth cannot be denied. To pretend that this is not the case or that the normal state of the world should not look this way. Is a sign of the times we live in.

So unbelievable.

Our society has been corrupted by an unbelievable and harmful set of expectations. These have been ground into the foundations the thought processes of the populace. I will attempt to highlight them as I see things.

The tenants of expectation that have set up western society for eventual failure if not corrected.
1. The natural state of the world should be a utopia where;

[JoJo]

so i have to ask, what is Trump hiding?

 Nothing! It's being reviewed so no government secret information not related to the witch hunt is released to the public. The FBI, CIA and DOJ have methods they don't want to get out, methods not related to the men in question. Being Friday, usually a slow news cycle day I'm guessing they will be released today.

[JohnyMac]

Just my 2 cents worth.

1) I believe that the Muller investigation, heavily loaded with Democrats was put into place to bury collusion within the Mrs. Clinton campaign. Specifically...
   - Bernie's defeat,
   - Campaign contributions,
   - Espionage through Debbie 'Blabber-mouth' Schultz support of the Pakistanian IT guy, whom managed other Dem's
      computers,
   - Etc. There are other items.
2) I think Director Wray nails Russian collusion here.
3) I also believe, that we have moved from a 'soft coup' to a 'harder coup' now. Between now and Nov. 6th I suspect the rhetoric will increase weekly. The MSM and leftists are panicking which may lead to some wack-a-doodle (s) coming out of the wood work with rifles and or explosives. Here is an example. Have you heard about it? There are others too. One of these days someone will be successful.
4) I think the Dem's know that the 'blue wave' has been replaced with a 'red wave'. At best, there will be no change in the Dem/GOP count in Congress fpr the Dem's. At worse, both legislatures will pick up GOP seats. If the later happens I fear that violence will be ratcheted up greatly. I pray not.
5) Except for the Trump Derangement People ALA Trump Derangement Symptom or TDS, nobody cares about the whole Russian thing. I just heard a poll (Can't find it on the inetwiz) that when Americans were polled, the economy was number one and the illegal immigration was number two on there minds. The Russian thing was less than 1%.

Just some thoughts from the redoubt. 

[JoJo]

 

) I think Director Wray nails Russian collusion here.

 In this short video Director Wray said the Russians want to instill divisiveness in our elections. In my opinion they have accomplished it, by that I mean the democrats are going Bat Sh*t crazy over Russia. What did the Russians do, they bought a few adds on Facebook, attempted to hack the Republican's server but the republicans had great security and they couldn't do it, but did hack the democrats server. What are the democrats hiding when they won't let law enforcement to check out the server?     

[JohnyMac]

Yupper JoJo. 

[JohnyMac]

Here is a link to the Gallup pole I was referencing in an earlier post.

Note that Economics was number one and Immigration/Illegal Aliens was number two. Situation with Russia got less than 1% of the Most Important Problems facing the United States.

[gadget99]

OH HECK......

Just when you begin to pray idiocy will stop. You get more silly stuff going on.

I am flabbergasted that the populace of western nations are upset and surprised that Russia tries to influence the internal processes of other countries to their own interests.

Oh Lord please save us and the gene pool.

Every single nation on this earth has, does and will do this. That is why there are such things as the CIA and FSB in every country.

What? Do people actually believe that the normal state of global affairs is one huge hug fest.

Ok.... rant over.

Gonna go take a nap....

[JoJo]

What? Do people actually believe that the normal state of global affairs is one huge hug fest.

 Yes they do. An example would be, my 57 year old son inlaw was over yesterday and he has absolutely no idea what is going on and spazed out when I tried to tell him. All he cares about is fishing and wants nothing to do with political turmoil in the country.   

[Nemo]

Jojo, just make sure you tell him the dems want to ban fishing so he will vote R come Nov and 2020. 

And gadget, were you able to get any rest.  The  state of the world should keep most sane men awake.

Nemo

[gadget99]

What? Do people actually believe that the normal state of global affairs is one huge hug fest.

 Yes they do. An example would be, my 57 year old son inlaw was over yesterday and he has absolutely no idea what is going on and spazed out when I tried to tell him. All he cares about is fishing and wants nothing to do with political turmoil in the country.

Yeah... JoJo

That is the very sad truth.

Does not make for any foundation of confidence that our nation's are safe.

It only strengthens.  My belief that on top of the naturally based not if but when SHTF potentials. We have such fragility in our western societies that provide a backdrop for manmade and preventable disasters to happen. With enough severity to decimate the populace.

Sad times....

[gadget99]

Jojo, just make sure you tell him the dems want to ban fishing so he will vote R come Nov and 2020. 

And gadget, were you able to get any rest.  The  state of the world should keep most sane men awake.

Nemo

No was to pissed off to rest.

So reading to distract myself.

[JohnyMac]

The heavily redacted Carter Page FISA records were released Saturday July 21, 2018. When was the last time that records like this were released on a Saturday.

The Deep State, DC Elites, and a host of alphabet agencies are so obvious in their trying to hide what happened under Mr. Obama's term, it isn't even funny. 

As I have written in the past, Trump at any time can order the release of some if not all of the records that Congress is asking for and the people are clambering for. Maybe he will do that closer to November 6, 2018. Maybe he never will as he knows it will probably be the straw that breaks the camels back and signal for a shooting war to begin.

When Obama was President MrsMac and I often prayed that nothing happen to him and his family. Today we truly fear for Trump & his families health along with Trump Administration employees. Never in my life have we seen so much nastiness from a small but vocal group of people. I fear a Ft. Sumter or Brown's attack on Harper's Ferry is eminent.

I am 62-years old. During those 62-years I have learned that, "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." - John 8:32. I have facilitated many security interviews while working at West Marine. This was always my mantra in these often tense interviews.

The release of all of the information would be a time for the country to heal. Rip the band-aide off NOW!



 

[JoJo]

 

Never in my life have we seen so much nastiness from a small but vocal group of people. I fear a Ft. Sumter or Brown's attack on Harper's Ferry is eminent.

 

I am 62-years old. During those 62-years I have learned that, "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

 I'm 77-years old and I agree, I've never have seen such mean spirited people not even the 1968 riots. The truth is out there and what's worse than a person who can't see it is a person who refuses to see it.
 I knew nothing would happen to obama because no one wanted to make him a martyr, same reason nothing will happen to Trump.