Obama Announces Proplonged Detention

[Skippy00004]

FEMA Imprisonment - Obama Announces Proplonged Detention ( 14 December 2011 Speech )

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. 
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[Outonowhere]

The sheer idiocy and brazen tyrannicide shown by the previous Bush administration is overshadowed only by a man who has the ability to sugar coat his words and up until recently make you think he knows what hes doing and saying...


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Keep your powder dry and your muskets primed... its about to get ugly...

[Skippy00004]

More on this ---> http://www.businessinsider.com/ndaa-obama-2011-12

[JohnyMac]

Dems, GOP, Barry- Throw them all out in the next election if they voted for this bill. Did you now know that Beastlie

[JohnyMac]

Whoops, hit post before I was done....

Did you know that Bestiality is now legal in the military. Watch out you camels, chickens and Hilary. 

Maybe bestiality and detention go together. Oh it is going to be an interesting 2012.

[sledge]

Whoops, hit post before I was done....

Did you know that Bestiality is now legal in the military. Watch out you camels, chickens and Hilary. 

Maybe bestiality and detention go together. Oh it is going to be an interesting 2012.

Just one look at Michele explains why Barry didn't put a stop to this.

[Colombo]

Wonder when I'll get the 12 gauge breeching rounds or the det cord knock on the door. I may have to store all my blackpowder there

[Kentactic]

am i the only one that feels like behind all the smoke and mirrors when he says terrorists hes talking about people like us not muslim extremists...

[rah45]

I feel like we just crossed the Rubicon. I pray I'm wrong. 

[Skippy00004]

am i the only one that feels like behind all the smoke and mirrors when he says terrorists hes talking about people like us not muslim extremists...

Unfortunately yes.

When I watched this, I literally said to myself, "Holy shit.......I'm now considered a fucking terrorist....?"

[CrystalHunter1989]

I feel like we just crossed the Rubicon. I pray I'm wrong. 

"How swiftly Caesar had surmounted the mighty alps and in his mind conceived immense upheavals, coming war. When he reached the water of the little Rubicon, clearly to the leader through the murky night appeared a mighty image of his country in distress, grief in her face, her white hair streaming from her tower-crowned head, with tresses torn and shoulders bare, she stood before him and sighing said, "Where further do you march? Where do you take my standards warriors? If lawfully you come, if as citizens, this far only is allowed." Then trembling struck the leader's limbs, his hair grew stiff and weakness checked his progress, holding his feet at the rivers edge. At last he speaks, "Oh Thunderer, surveying Rome's walls from the Tarpeian Rock. Oh Phrygian house gods of Iulus, Clan and Mystery of Quirinus who was carried off to heaven, Oh Jupiter of Latium seated in lofty Alda and Hearths of Vesta, Oh Rome, equal to the highest deity, favor my plans! Not with impious weapons do I pursue you. Here am I, Caesar, conqueror of land and sea, your own soldier, everywhere, now too, if I am permitted. The man who makes me your enemy, it is he who be the guilty one." Then he broke the barriers of war and through the swollen river swiftly took his standards. And Caesar crossed the flood and reached the opposite bank. From Hesperia's Forbidden Fields he took his stand and said, "Here I abandoned peace and desecrated law; fortune it is you I follow. Farewell to treaties. From now on war is our judge!" Hail Caesar! We who are about to die salute you!

- Marcus Lucanus, 49 BC

[JohnyMac]

Ken, that is EXACTLY how I feel.

Yup during his speach I know he was looking at me.

Thx Crystal for Marcus's words.

[WhiskeyJack]

This is just soooooo bad.

[rah45]

ATTENTION!!!


My father called his Congressman's office to verify the offensive language of this bill, and he was told that the language had actually been removed before it passed. I looked at the passed bill on Lynne Westmoreland's website link, and it looks like the offensive language has been removed from 1031 and 1032. Does anybody disagree? If so, why? I'm not a lawyer and do not read laws much, so I hesitate to feel secure in my assessment.

[Outonowhere]

ATTENTION!!!


My father called his Congressman's office to verify the offensive language of this bill, and he was told that the language had actually been removed before it passed. I looked at the passed bill on Lynne Westmoreland's website link, and it looks like the offensive language has been removed from 1031 and 1032. Does anybody disagree? If so, why? I'm not a lawyer and do not read laws much, so I hesitate to feel secure in my assessment.

(From: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/C?c112:./temp/~c112K03beq)
***Notes in color and in reference to italicized, Bold for emphasis***

Sec. 1031. Affirmation of authority of the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force.

SEC. 1031. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE.

      (a) In General- Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of war.

      (b) Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any person as follows:

            (1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.

            (2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces. Anyone deemed to be acting against the "system" could be argued to be doing this.  GWB said it himself, "If you aren't with us..."

      (c) Disposition Under Law of War- The disposition of a person under the law of war as described in subsection (a) may include the following:

            (1) Detention under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force.

            (2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10, United States Code (as amended by the Military Commissions Act of 2009 (title XVIII of Public Law 111-84)).

            (3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or competent tribunal having lawful jurisdiction.

            (4) Transfer to the custody or control of the person's country of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity.

      (d) Construction- Nothing in this section is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.

      (e) Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.

      (f) Requirement for Briefings of Congress- The Secretary of Defense shall regularly brief Congress regarding the application of the authority described in this section, including the organizations, entities, and individuals considered to be `covered persons' for purposes of subsection (b)(2).

SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.

      (a) Custody Pending Disposition Under Law of War-

            (1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) in military custody pending disposition under the law of war.

            (2) COVERED PERSONS- The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined--

                  (A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and

                  (B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.

            (3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR- For purposes of this subsection, the disposition of a person under the law of war has the meaning given in section 1031(c), except that no transfer otherwise described in paragraph (4) of that section shall be made unless consistent with the requirements of section 1033.

            (4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States.

      (b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-

            (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

            (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

      (c) Implementation Procedures-

            (1) IN GENERAL- Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the President shall issue, and submit to Congress, procedures for implementing this section.

            (2) ELEMENTS- The procedures for implementing this section shall include, but not be limited to, procedures as follows:

                  (A) Procedures designating the persons authorized to make determinations under subsection (a)(2) and the process by which such determinations are to be made.

                  (B) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody under subsection (a)(1) does not require the interruption of ongoing surveillance or intelligence gathering with regard to persons not already in the custody or control of the United States.

                  (C) Procedures providing that a determination under subsection (a)(2) is not required to be implemented until after the conclusion of an interrogation session which is ongoing at the time the determination is made and does not require the interruption of any such ongoing session.

                  (D) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody under subsection (a)(1) does not apply when intelligence, law enforcement, or other government officials of the United States are granted access to an individual who remains in the custody of a third country.

                  (E) Procedures providing that a certification of national security interests under subsection (a)(4) may be granted for the purpose of transferring a covered person from a third country if such a transfer is in the interest of the United States and could not otherwise be accomplished.

      (d) Effective Date- This section shall take effect on the date that is 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and shall apply with respect to persons described in subsection (a)(2) who are taken into the custody or brought under the control of the United States on or after that effective date.

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Now I have no way to know if this is what is hitting the pres. desk but it doesn't make me feel any better at any rate.  Also do not forget Executive orders, Presidential Decision Directives and Signing Statements.  Not to mention...

George W. Bush - "If you are not with us, you are with the terrorists."

[rah45]

Hmm...I see what you did, there.... I wonder if you're right, and they sneakily preserved the language despite revising the wording?

[Kentactic]

(1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) in military custody pending disposition under the law of war.

            (2) COVERED PERSONS- The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined--

                  (A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and

                  (B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.

            (3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR- For purposes of this subsection, the disposition of a person under the law of war has the meaning given in section 1031(c), except that no transfer otherwise described in paragraph (4) of that section shall be made unless consistent with the requirements of section 1033.

            (4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States.

[Kentactic]

  (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

[Outonowhere]

Curious, are you just showing off your copy and paste skills or is there a reason for posting that? 

[EJR914]

And the great thing is that, if Ron Paul doesn't win, it doesn't matter which side wins, this is going to continue and also, will continue to get worse and worse.

The truth hurts.