returning vets who are responsible for the death and mutilation of hundreds of thousands of women and children? vets who kill people who (in the case of Afghanistan, at least) for the most part, HAVE NEVER EVEN HEARD OF 9/11!!!!!! HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHY WE'RE OCCUPYING THEIR COUNTRY!!??
do YOU even have a clue why we're occupying those countries?!? will you fight back if a foreign force invades for an unjust reason? will you fight back if cops decide that YOU'RE some kind of threat? you know good and well that you're not. you're (supposedly) a freedom-loving American. so what will YOU do when you become a victim of this police state? will you LAUGH at yourself being brutalized the way you laugh at others whom you don't agree with?
boon, soldiers aren't exempt from the CONUS, and neither are cops, regardless WHO they're brutalizing or murdering. whether it's "dirty hippies" or red-blooded American Patriots. what difference does it make? If you have any respect whatsoever for the CONUS, then it shouldn't make a difference.
Ok, I was staying out of this until this point. Where the f*ck do you get off attacking our soldiers like that? Sure they are subject to the CONUS and I guaran-damn-tee you most of our soldiers would rather NOT be over there in the first place! And I'm sorry but while I agree with you that we do not need to be occupying ANY countries, whether they like it or not our soldiers must treat it like war. Saying that they must abide by CONUS towards foreign people in their country (yea I know, but Ive already said we shouldn't be there anyway) is the same as reading them Miranda rights.
My whole point of this post is, if you don't like the war then spit on the guys that started it, the ones pulling the strings. But you start talking bad about the troops in general (yea there are a few bad eggs) and you are stepping in a dangerous area.
OONW, I wasn't condoning the POS's that spit on returning vets. Whether I agree with the wars or not, I wasn't attacking them personally, although in my heated response I can see how it could be taken that way. I think it's disgusting to think about people treating our vets that way, and I was in no way supporting those types of people. as a matter of fact, I've discussed this exact topic with TG via phone conversation in the recent past. If anyone on this board can vouch for me that I DON'T feel that way about the troops themselves, it would be him, because he's heard the words come out of my mouth in a candid conversation. I wasn't bashing the troops, I was responding to this blind patriotism I see on display over and over again.
this sums up how I feel pretty good:
that being said, the only reason why the troops came into the mix in the first place was:
These are the same mother effers that spit on returning vets, the same a-holes that throw kids out of school for wearing American flag shirts on cinco de mayo,
what I said was short-sighted and inflammatory and I apologize for that but certain things just burn my ass.
some guys want to preach the constitution, but then laugh as they watch others have their rights trampled. Some people believe in "exceptionalism" just for being lucky enough to be born within the borders of a certain country. and those same people tend to have little or no respect for human life as long as it's people in some 3rd world country halfway across the world. and while I don't blame the troops themselves, and I'd like to kick in the teeth of someone who would do something so vile as to spit on returning vets, how many people here are ok with the whole "I'm just doing my job" argument? If the situation in this country ever becomes so grim where they're treating
Americans the way they treat people in the countries that we're occupying, will you accept "don't blame me, I'm just following orders" as a viable answer?
again, I apologize for giving such a heated response, but people who only champion their own constitutional rights while laughing at others and they lose theirs.. just rubs me the wrong way. (btw, I'm not suggesting that people in other countries are entitled to the rights of the CONUS, but use some common sense, man. when you've got a constant stream of photos and videos of little kids in other countries with half their heads blown off, somethings fucking wrong!)
War is hell and people die. Whether the Afghanistan people know why we are there or not makes no difference whatsoever. They allowed, tolerated or supported a Government that contributed to an attack on the people of the United States. They are all guilty and ignorance is no excuse.
so by this logic, let's say some fringe group based here in the U.S. decides to go blow up some buildings in some other country that they have a grievance with, does that give
that country the right to come and "level the entire U.S." because we allowed such a group to exist? again, I think
so many good-hearted people fall into this trap of not caring about people halfway across the world and use the excuse "war is hell and people die". but when you flip the script and imagine the same exact thing happening here, to us... well it's usually a different sentiment all together. you start seeing drones dropping bombs on suburban neighborhoods, killing innocent men, women, and children, here in the U.S., you'd be so filled with rage and hatred for the people who were doing this to you. all I'm asking is the people just think, for just a second, about how you'd feel about another country doing the same exact thing to us.
