Civil War II

[JohnyMac]

I rhetorically ask myself more and more each day, "Are we heading for a civil war?"

The amount of hate coming from the Progressive wing of the Democrat party seems to be dominating news broadcasts and social media. Then the folks on the extreme right fire back with equal or greater hatred. Then the circle starts all over again however the noise is escalated a notch or two. Can war be that far behind?

The questions I pose to this illustrious group is, "How can we minimize the pendulum of insults?" and "Do we/you want a civil war?" Think Albanian, Serbian, Russian, et cetera civil wars.

[Nemo]

They are getting to the point of the Occupy Wall Steet movement merging with the Boy Who Cryed Wolf.  Protesting so much about so some much that they are getting the attention of nothing about everything.  Looks to me like they will be little more than a footnote in history in 6 months.

But remember, keep your friends close and your rifle closer.

Nemo

[JoJo]

 I don't think it will die down on the contrary I think Soros and his billionaire friends will go for one big push. If in the spring they start selling their stocks and buying precious metals all hell is going to break loose. Almost all wars start in the spring.
 I think President trump wants to be friends with Russia so he can extradite Soros and Soros knows it.   

[JohnyMac]

Interesting thought JoJo, "I think President trump wants to be friends with Russia so he can extradite Soros and Soros knows it." 

I read somewhere awhile back that Putin does not like Soros. So if this is the case I could see these two leaders linking up behind the scenes to combat Satan's  imp.

I also think too that spring is a prime time for heightened protests. Those parent-cellar-dwellers, do not like the cold, rain or snow. Watch who moves to New Zealand and or turn paper assets into hard assets.

Like what Nemo wrote, "But remember, keep your friends close and your rifle closer."

[Jackalope]

Yup, the weather will play a major role in any violent events.  The warmer the weather the more frequently violent actions occur.  With all the recent seditious activities, like the BLM movement, I can't believe the government hasn't acted.  But then again, with the agitator in chief who was in charge, that would explain why there wasn't any prosecution during the prior administration.   Obama is stirring things up from the sidelines, maybe Trump's administration could file some charges against him....now that would set off a war for sure.

[Erick]

I think the left does not believe they will cause Civil War but they are very very bad at understanding 2nd and 3rd order effects ( or they wouldnt be leftist liberals to begin with)

And while some on the blogosphere have made some poignant remarks that a Civil War will not be as easy to win for middle America as we think ( after all the left has already accepted violence as part of politics and we havent.. also they are organized and funded and we arent and such acivil war may well external players supporting sides.. my guess is Mexico may supply the left with arms and training)  I still believe we will win and win decisively.

As someone who deals with analysis of disaster response for a living I do however belive the chances of a civil a war bringing down the grid are high.

And a downed grid has the potential to kill many many millions in this (or almost any modern other) country.

However the deaths will be concentrated in those areas that are centers of progressive power.

IMO that is yet another 4th order effect I am not certain Mr Soros fully grasps.

As  a 5th order effect.... a USA where the right has won a civil war will swing the pendulum so far to the right the progressives will curse the day they thought it was fun and good politics to play with fire.

And many of their leading lights will have these regrets form inside jailcells or 6 feet under..

ce la vie

[JohnyMac]

I am at my mom's house right now and have the opportunity to watch MSM news. What seems to being reported is that the voices of the Progressive wing of the Democrat party who are rising up is reminiscent of when CNBC anchor Rick Santelli coined the phrase, "Tea Party" in 2009.

Keep in mind as you watch or read the news is that the Tea Party was and still is a decentralized group of Americans. This group of Progressives are very well organized and funded by the likes of Soros and Moveon.org. This group is also supported by the MSM with hourly free advertising by reporting on them.

Now to the crust of the situation....

Words along with bullying strategies is what we see now however just wait for a serious event to hit us like a 9/11 tragedy, to spark a serious series of events. The uprising will be in the same places we are all to use too, places that Progressives have ran the city's for decades. Then as the law and order forces rightfully crack down, the movement will spread like wild fire to the 80 or so counties that did vote for Mrs. Clinton. Where in my opinion will be contained.

Now with all this written, what a great time for a enemy nation to wage war upon the old USofA. If we can make it through 2017 with just minimal carnage, it will truly be a miracle. 

[JoJo]

 Putin said he will give Snowden to the U.S. as a friendly gift. Maybe it will be a swap Snowden for Soros
It's starting to get scary, I've noticed more and more people are very nervous even my terminal normalsy bias wife is easing up a bit.     

[sledge]

At this point I'm not sure how this plays out, if at all.  I read somewhere, maybe on here, that the majority of recent firearms purchases were being completed by people on the left.  It seems some people on the left have been embracing the prepper movement since the election of Trump.  I guess they're worried about what he'll do, and they've bought into the leftist propaganda that he is the new Hitler.

I do know that I recently blocked a former childhood friend on Facebook because he has become extreme.  He did 20 years in the army, retired, and actually went to work for the college I attended in Canyon, TX.  I noticed after he started working at the college that his political views were changing.  I would see his replies to posts by his friends that started to concern me.  Many of his new friends seemed to be leftist extremists and they would make comments about the coming civil war, planning, making preps. and the like.

It really reminded me of when I was in my militia phase many years ago, until I decided many of those folks were getting too extreme and got out of it.  The leftists Ron, my friend, was in contact with and apparently personally knew, struck me as being lunatics.  They were very much of a fascist mold, were intolerant of opinions that didn't agree with theirs, thought a civil war was inevitable, and relished the thought of "the sooner the better".  I blocked him and haven't heard from him since.  That was last October.  So I don't know how they took Trumps election.  But I'm sure they weren't happy about it.

I agree with others that if the leftists did start a civil war that it would end badly for them.  Most of the military is ecstatic to have Trump as the Commander in Chief.  How it would all end is something I would rather not find out.

By the way guys.  I've retired and moved back to my hometown in Seagoville, TX from Florida.  I've actually got time now to try a garden.  So I'm making plans.      

[JohnyMac]

I saw this post by one of the orgional MrLnL and Straight Prep group of malcontents and immedatly thought of John 11:38-...

38 Then Jesus, again groaning in Himself, came to the tomb. It was a cave, and a stone lay against it. 39 Jesus said, “Take away the stone.”

Martha, the sister of him who was dead, said to Him, “Lord, by this time there is a stench, for he has been dead four days.”

40 Jesus said to her, “Did I not say to you that if you would believe you would see the glory of God?” 41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead man was lying.[a] And Jesus lifted up His eyes and said, “Father, I thank You that You have heard Me. 42 And I know that You always hear Me, but because of the people who are standing by I said this, that they may believe that You sent Me.” 43 Now when He had said these things, He cried with a loud voice, “Lazarus, come forth!” 44 And he who had died came out bound hand and foot with graveclothes, and his face was wrapped with a cloth. Jesus said to them, “Loose him, and let him go.”

With that little deviation of the subject at hand - WELCOME BACK SLEDGE!

Yes Sledge the sales of firearms to left leaning brethren are going up. The problem is that the right leaning folks who's business it is to train similar minded folks are not training these newly armed and ready leftest preppers or survivalists. So owning a firearm and knowing how to use it are two separate things.

I was just reading an article in Bushbeater, and NCSout relayed that there are quite a few left leaning NCO's and Officers that too have left the military. These men and women would be formidable foes.

[Jackalope]

    Though I'm not a LEO(law enforcement officer), I work closely with them.  From my observations, I'm estimating that 5% of the local LEO's are left leaning.  The rest are middle of the road, or lean to the right.  It's interesting to note that the leftist LEO's are usually the first ones to attempt to ignore constitutional rights.  Left leaning LEO's seem to interpret laws in a different way than the other LEO's, especially gun laws. 

     Rather than a civil war, I'm inclined to think that we may see something like the breakup of Yugoslavia.  The war won't be like the last civil war, where there were distinct geographical lines.  Instead, the differences are oriented culturally, where the folks in the large metropolitan areas lean left, while the rest of the country is middle of the road, or right leaning.  If the left continues on their current path; we're in for dark times.

[Nemo]

Seems like a bit of headaches have started in Europe.  Allegations made = riots start.  Thats about right.

Nemo


http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/767867/PARIS-riots-latest-fighting-barbes-metro-eurostar-gare-du-Nord

PARIS ON FIRE: Riots reach capital's centre TONIGHT - buildings set ablaze & cops attacked
WIDESPREAD suburban rioting spilled into central Paris tonight as hundreds went on the rampage over the alleged rape of a young black man by French police.
By Peter Allen
PUBLISHED: 19:28, Wed, Feb 15, 2017 | UPDATED: 20:30, Wed, Feb 15, 2017

Officers were forced to unleash tear-gas on angry crowds as buildings and rubbish bins were set on fire around the Barbes Metro station, which is just around the corner from the Eurostar hub at Gare du Nord.

As fire crews went in to extinguish the blazes, lines of riot police were attacked, and shops were looted.

A policeman at the scene said: “Windows have been smashed and officers attacked.

“Small groups of protestors wearing hoods to hide their identities are causing trouble and then running away.

“Everything is being done to try and disperse the crowds, but this could go on for a long time yet.”

Tension have been high in council estates in the Paris suburbs since February 2, when a man identified only as Theo was beaten up and allegedly raped.

The youth worker said he was sodomised by police with a truncheon, as well as being racially abused, spat at and beaten around his genitals.

One unidentified officer has been charged with rape, and three more with assault since Theo was sent to hospital.

He underwent emergency surgery, and has since been visited by President Francois Hollande, who has appealed for calm.

Police stations and squad cars have been attacked since, along with patrols trying to operate around France.

Tonight's protest at Barbes was an illegal one, with police in the 18th arrondissement refusing to give permission for it.

The areas is also close to the Sacre Coeur basilica in the Montmartre area - one hugely popular with tourists, including many from Britain.

Many fear a repeat of the mass housing estate rioting that blighted France over three weeks in 2005, leading to a State of Emergency being declared.

[JohnyMac]

Yes Nemo, I have been following the riots in Paris and surrounding cities.

Something we should all keep in mind, Europe is the canary in the coal mine. What happens there will be coming west across the pond.

I too believe Jackalope, there will not be defined battlefield lines in the next USofA Civil War (CWII). Personally I think the fighting will be centralized in Progressive ran cities like, Baltimore, Washington D.C., Los Angeles, Seattle, et cetera. This will cause a flight of refugees to the burbs and rural area's of the country though. Which will affect those area's negatively.

Something that hit me like a tonne of bricks is that the MSM is the group that is fanning the flames of discontent.

Just got back to the cabin from a week long stint at my mothers. Every night she wanted to watch local news not a national news group like FoxNews. No biggie until I realized any and all national news was tilted not slightly but heavily anti-administration.

Got home last night and watched FoxNews. Boy were we please to just sit and watch a friendly news cast.   

[Nemo]

A poke of a bear?

Nemo


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/16/college-student-who-filmed-professor-s-anti-trump-rant-fights-suspension.html

College student who filmed professor’s anti-Trump rant fights suspension
By Alyssa Madruga Published February 16, 2017 FoxNews.com


A California college student who was suspended for recording a professor ranting about President Trump's election victory and how it amounted to an "act of terrorism" filed an appeal Wednesday to fight the suspension.

Caleb O’Neil, a student at Orange Coast College, was suspended for a full semester and the summer term for filming the video.

The college said the 19-year-old violated its policy by “recording any person on District Property or at any District function without that person’s knowledge or consent.”

He was also ordered to write a “three-page double spaced essay” regarding the incident, Campus Reform reported.

O’Neil videotaped his professor Olga Perez Stable Cox in December talking about Trump's election win. She called his election “an act of terrorism.”

Cox also said in the video that, “our nation is divided as clearly as it was in civil war times.”

O’Neil, who shared the video with college Republicans, wore pro-Trump clothing in class and said he felt threatened due to his teacher’s comments.

"I pulled my phone out, because I was honestly scared that I would have repercussions with my grades because she knew I was a Trump supporter," he said, according to The Orange County Register.

His suspension has caused mixed reactions among students at the campus.

“It’s unfair for the teacher to be secretly recorded. The student should have talked to the professor and voiced his opinions, then the fallout would’ve been avoidable,” one student told the Los Angeles Times.

The Los Angeles Times reported that a small group of people supported O’Neil, with one yelling, “You’re a hero, Caleb!”

Cox told the Washington Post in December that she was being virtually attacked by emails and Facebook messages saying, “I feel like I’ve been attacked by a mob of people all across the country.”

Alyssa Madruga is a news editor for FoxNews.com. Follow her on Twitter @AlyssaMadruga.

[Nemo]

And a claw swipe in return?

Nemo

Illegal immigrant takes refuge in Denver church to avoid deportation
Published February 16, 2017 Associated Press

CENTENNIAL, Colo. –  A Mexican woman trying to avoid deportation took refuge in a Denver church Wednesday after U.S. immigration authorities denied her request to remain in the country, the latest case to rattle the immigrant community as the White House promises to boost enforcement.

Jeanette Vizguerra skipped her scheduled check-in with Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials in the suburb of Centennial. About 100 supporters demonstrated outside the building as her attorney, Hans Meyer, and a minister went inside.

They said they were met by a lobby full of agents, a few of them armed, and were told Vizguerra would not get another extension as she tries to obtain a U visa, sometimes given to crime victims.

ICE spokesman Shawn Neudauer said Vizguerra was an "enforcement priority" because she had two misdemeanor convictions and a judge originally issued final deportation orders for her in 2011.

Meyer said Vizguerra had been granted several previous extensions under the Obama administration because officials realize it can take two or three years to obtain the visa.

"This is a big, huge red flare that the Trump administration has plans to deport as many people as possible," said Meyer, who declined to disclose details of the crime to which Vizguerra was a victim.

Trump has made cracking down on illegal immigration a priority, declaring plans to build a border wall, threatening to cut funding to cities that don't cooperate with federal immigration authorities and issuing an executive order making it clear that just about any immigrant in the country illegally could be a priority for deportation, particularly those with outstanding deportation orders.

ICE's Neudauer would not say whether denying Vizguerra's request for an extension was a change in policy.

Vizguerra took refuge in the church, a common tactic to avoid deportation because authorities generally don't enter places of worship, as immigrant advocates called for the release of 23-year-old in Washington state who was detained despite participating in a federal program to protect those brought to the U.S. illegally as children.

She said she was thinking of Daniel Ramirez Medina as well as Guadalupe Garcia de Rayos, an Arizona woman arrested during a routine ICE check-in and deported to Mexico the next day, before taking sanctuary.

Vizguerra, crying at first, spoke in Spanish by phone through a bullhorn to supporters outside the ICE building and later in person at the First Unitarian Church not far from the state Capitol.

With three of her four children joining her on the altar, the former union organizer and house cleaner said her only crimes were related to working in the country illegally to support her family.

She said she was arrested for not having a driver's license or current vehicle registration. Officers also discovered that she had a forged identity document, which she said had a Social Security number made up of digits from her birth date, not one that belonged to an actual person.

Vizguerra said she told her children last week of her decision to stay in a basement room of the church that they had painted in 2014 in preparation for any immigrant who might need to seek sanctuary.

"You can see the reasons behind me why I am fighting so hard to win my case," she said of her family.

[Grudgie]

Possible scenario: Trump successfully builds a 20 billion dollar wall across southern border. A far left president is elected in 2020. Far left president says, "Tear down this wall." Far right protesters and militia with rifles defend the wall from being destroyed.

[Nemo]

Clinton supporter/insider dem strongman was made Dem party chairman.  Only real contender was a MN Rep Keith Ellison.  Really should have been Ellison.  That would have killed the dems for a long time.  He is an outspoken muslim.  Nuff said.

Nemo

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/25/former-labor-sec-perez-elected-as-democratic-national-committee-chairman.html

Former Labor Secretary Tom Perez on Saturday was elected chairman of the Democratic National Committee, defeating top-rival Minnesota Rep. Keith Ellison, in their respective bids to chart the direction of the national party.

.  .  .

The race between Ellison and Perez was portrayed as an ideological proxy battle between Democratic supporters for Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, who defeated Sanders in the party’s 2016 presidential primary. Ellison backed Sanders, while Perez backed Clinton.

Ellison, who in 2006 became the first Muslim elected to Congress, was considered a champion of the party’s most progressive wing.

.  .  .

[JohnyMac]

I would be interested reading what our UP folks in Australia, South Africa, Great Brittan, et cetera are hearing and thinking.

On another note: We lost our power for ~10 hrs plus yesterday after noon. I haled a ham friend south of me via a repeater. He came back pretty fast and commented that all hell was breaking lose in west Scranton, PA. as a tornado had  touched down and caused most of the grid to go down. That explained why we didn't have any power either.

Anyway, he explained that the police and emergency frequency's were jammed with them trying to help out people who were legitimately needing help and those just freaking out for no reason.

MrsMac just fired up a few Aladdin lamps while I went to the cellar to flip a few switches and turn on the Sirius radio. Spent the rest of the evening listening to Channel 27 The Deep Tracks or Channel 114 Fox News and reading.

It has been mentioned often on this and other sites, America's Achilles Heel is the power grid.

Erick, I would love to read your assessment on the probability of the power grid going down due to a man made or natural event and the amount of folks that would die. One week, one month, one quarter, one year. I think in the novel "One Second After" by William Forstchen wrote that only 10% of the USofA's population survived at the end of the first year.

Anyhow, back to the subject line here...If I wanted to start a CW the power grid is where I would start.


 

 

[gadget99]

I would be interested reading what our UP folks in Australia, South Africa, Great Brittan, et cetera are hearing and thinking.

On another note: We lost our power for ~10 hrs plus yesterday after noon. I haled a ham friend south of me via a repeater. He came back pretty fast and commented that all hell was breaking lose in west Scranton, PA. as a tornado had  touched down and caused most of the grid to go down. That explained why we didn't have any power either.

Anyway, he explained that the police and emergency frequency's were jammed with them trying to help out people who were legitimately needing help and those just freaking out for no reason.

MrsMac just fired up a few Aladdin lamps while I went to the cellar to flip a few switches and turn on the Sirius radio. Spent the rest of the evening listening to Channel 27 The Deep Tracks or Channel 114 Fox News and reading.

It has been mentioned often on this and other sites, America's Achilles Heel is the power grid.

Erick, I would love to read your assessment on the probability of the power grid going down due to a man made or natural event and the amount of folks that would die. One week, one month, one quarter, one year. I think in the novel "One Second After" by William Forstchen wrote that only 10% of the USofA's population survived at the end of the first year.

Anyhow, back to the subject line here...If I wanted to start a CW the power grid is where I would start.

Hi JM,

Things are very confused over here for many reasons.

The British press are having a field day here over trump. It is still left leaning here.

What is concerning is that while watching a talking heads program here in the UK. The subject of a second civil war had been brought up.

The premise was that if Trump continues to to be radical the populace may rebel against him.

I believe we are in store for some interesting times.

While many believe that political and economical landscapes will bring on a SHTF. I believe from my watching that an avian flu will bring the start of of a SHTF.

[JohnyMac]

Thx gadget

Interesting comment/observation Gadget as you wrote, "The premise was that if Trump continues to to be radical the populace may rebel against him." What the talking heads fail to mention is that 50% of the population voted for Trump. Looking at the electoral vote: He won 3,000 out of a total of 3,087 counties across the country.

Over the past eight years, the Democrat Party lost over 1,200 seats in state government (Governors and state legislatures/assemblies).

Not picking on you Gadget or the UK press as the US press conveniently forgets the facts too. 
 

[gadget99]

Thx gadget

Interesting comment/observation Gadget as you wrote, "The premise was that if Trump continues to to be radical the populace may rebel against him." What the talking heads fail to mention is that 50% of the population voted for Trump. Looking at the electoral vote: He won 3,000 out of a total of 3,087 counties across the country.

Over the past eight years, the Democrat Party lost over 1,200 seats in state government (Governors and state legislatures/assemblies).

Not picking on you Gadget or the UK press as the US press conveniently forgets the facts too. 

JM you are well on the mark with your comment.

The fact that the majority voted for Trump has been spoken on a great deal by the right leaning talking heads over here.

What surprised me was the mention of the US having a civil war. This was mentioned yesterday for the first time by a talking head that is slightly left leaning.

The only reason I mentioned it, is that this is the first time I have seen a main stream media talking head mention it here in the UK.

[Kbop]

times they are a changing, i think the song goes.

[Nemo]

Like the old oriental curse-- May you live in interesting times.  Dems a'comin!

Reference the liberal mentioning a civil war-- he may be thinking a left side rise up and completely disregarding a near instant shootdown by a right sided response.

Nemo

[JohnyMac]

Gadget and the rest of the forum coming in on this subject: I wonder if it is in our DNA to periodically kill each other off. Not unlike the lemming's rushing to the sea. Because, that is what a CW would do.

I am not afraid of a lot. I will climb a 60' mast in the middle of the Pacific to fix a shroud or give a speech in front of 600 people with little thought to either. However, I am truly afraid of a CW.

If the even minded UK press are starting to bring it up I am now truly in fear of a CW.

[pkveazey]

I guess it's time for me to weigh in on the CW thing. It will be between the Liberals who live in the large cities and the Conservatives who live everywhere else. The large cities will be surrounded and it will be nobody in and nobody out. That's the military's plan for civil collapse and it will be their plan for CW. The Liberals are the most viscous and violent people you will ever meet. They talk all touchy feely but they are always the ones who are rioting and attacking people. I have no doubt that there will be a CW but it will not be 4 years. It will be more like 4 months. Since they are short term thinkers and will not have a good long term p!an, they will lose the first one and come back again after a short period for another war. That will be when things get really nasty.