Why aren't you out there?

[Kentactic]

Watch "Cliven Bundy Ranch - Part 14 - Reid on Bundy" on YouTube
Cliven Bundy Ranch - Part 14 - Reid on Bundy:

http://youtu.be/7YCeESaSQ2Q

Watch "Cliven Bundy Ranch - Part 5 - Why aren't YOU here?" on YouTube
Cliven Bundy Ranch - Part 5 - Why aren't YOU here?:

http://youtu.be/ubw64dkX8vY

[Burt Gummer]

Because this isn't going to be an overt fight. 

Not: 

because they will: 

[JohnyMac]

What bull-shit!

I can't believe I spent 12 minutes watching this crap.

DRAMA
: a piece of writing that tells a story and is performed on a stage

: a play, movie, television show, or radio show that is about a serious subject and is not meant to make the audience laugh

: the art or activity of performing a role in a play, show, etc.

: The whining so as to draw attention to ones-self*


I do not know whom Reid is however he just assumed that everyone else wanted to hear the tiny details of his day - What a narcissus!

Yeager isn't that much far behind them. Due to the size of their heads I wonder - How do those two guys fit in a room together?

* I added this...

[rah45]

Things that are bothering most patriots:

1) Most people who want to side with Bundy against the BLM just for the sake of resisting govt overreach won't, because they have mishandled their counter-mainstream media from the beginning. They also didn't do very well in squashing false rumors about the BLM forming for an attack and other nonsense rumors that some dumbass thought he'd spread around teh interwebz.

2) Join WHAT? Join a bunch of individuals who have never met, who don't know what the other people around them are REALLY thinking and prepared to do, who apparently don't communicate as well as is necessary, all in a tense environment where you could be shot, pursued as a "terrorist," have your family blacklisted or harmed purely because of their relation to you, and the list of bad things goes on and on.

3) The "militias" that made it there...I haven't heard anything that makes me think they were ready for any serious conflict with the fed gov. Militias have been talking the talk for decades, especially the last decade, but people don't have faith in their ability to know what they are doing and be good at it. Ken himself said that the militias put more money into "leveling" their rifles, and apparently put pennies into communication in comparison. If they're competent, the comms would be just as important as their rifles/accessories.

I'm not saying that I have all the info. Maybe some of what I typed above is partially or completely incorrect. However, I WOULDN'T KNOW IT because there hasn't been (from what I've seen) reliable, extensive info broadcasted by non-celebrities showing what we would all like to believe, but don't - that the militia movement has its shit together, they are efficient, Clive Bundy is most definitely within his rights to rebel, and there is a leadership worth standing behind either physically or in other ways (logistics, finances, etc.).

[Kentactic]

Reid is a smart man and I loved every second of his video. He has felt what I felt out there. The reality of the situation. Its your sorry little group of men vs. The biggest baddest government in the world. Hmm... where have I heard that before.... and as important as you think this event is you find only a handful of men by your side. Your tactics suck, your gear isnt as good as theirs and your way out numbered. Fuckem. If this is what weve got to work with then so be it.

If you want a pretty situation where your side has the upper hand, better gear, more men, great comms, and no risk to be jailed or killed, then rest easy, you will never be part of any significant event that is part of a revolution. You wont be part of history, you are not one of the III%. A lot of weight off your shoulders right?

Im not sorry if this offends anyone. I say it because I feel it. When tyranny knocks and youve got even a 1% chance of kicking it in the balls, you fucking answer. If not, then at least donate your gear to guys who are ready and willing.

[rah45]

Reid is a smart man and I loved every second of his video. He has felt what I felt out there. The reality of the situation. Its your sorry little group of men vs. The biggest baddest government in the world. Hmm... where have I heard that before.... and as important as you think this event is you find only a handful of men by your side. Your tactics suck, your gear isnt as good as theirs and your way out numbered. Fuckem. If this is what weve got to work with then so be it.

If you want a pretty situation where your side has the upper hand, better gear, more men, great comms, and no risk to be jailed or killed, then rest easy, you will never be part of any significant event that is part of a revolution. You wont be part of history, you are not one of the III%. A lot of weight off your shoulders right?

Im not sorry if this offends anyone. I say it because I feel it. When tyranny knocks and youve got even a 1% chance of kicking it in the balls, you fucking answer.

Don't get the wrong idea, here. I don't think anyone expects any resistance to outman or outgun the most powerful government in the world. However, there is still a level of coordination of comms, logistics, arms and strategies necessary to efficiently operate what you DO have. From what I'm seeing come out of that area, during and after the Bundy incident, "efficient" wasn't a word I would use to describe the situation. I don't really expect that much out of individuals like you who went there to try and make a difference. You're doing what you can, and you knew no one there before you arrived. My comments about needing improvement are mostly geared toward the patriot movement as a whole regarding countering the mainstream media with the truth, and towards militias. Militias came back in a big way in the 90's, and also in this last decade. That is years and years and years of time to perfect a system, to get some good militias up and running, to network and compare tactics/comms/logistics/training/gear for future coordination for such a time as this. They STILL weren't ready. Why haven't I seriously entertained the idea of joining a militia? That's why.

[sledge]

Because this isn't going to be an overt fight. 

Not: 

because they will: 

Looks a whole lot like this doesn't it? :

Unless something drastic takes place, trying to change the system and gov actions by force will not succeed.
By drastic, I mean states start succeeding, the system, economic or political, collapses in on itself due to corruption (happening as I write this),or  massive natural or man made disaster affecting a large swath of the country.

Any change that has a chance of success has to occur from within.  Anything else is bullshit bravado talk that isn't going to to have a nats chance in hell of accomplishing anything.  How do you think the socialists and communists have taken power in a country that was staunchly democratic?  By Force?  Even the communist Weather Underground came to realize they were accomplishing nothing with violence, changed tactics, and helped put their man in the whitehouse.

Want change back to a freedom based, smaller federal government?  They showed you the way.  Instead of talking about the best comms and guns, maybe you young studs should start talking about the best political strategy and run for office.         

[Kentactic]

The problem with the official unorganized militia is that they are open about being militia. They have lots of members sometimes. They are worth messing with from the government standpoint. So that means they have to follow every law to the damn letter. Im not so sure that militia are that effective. Showing up with your 4-6 man team and being well versed in various standardized things will be more useful.

[rah45]

Good points, Sledge!

The problem with the official unorganized militia is that they are open about being militia. They have lots of members sometimes. They are worth messing with from the government standpoint. So that means they have to follow every law to the damn letter. Im not so sure that militia are that effective. Showing up with your 4-6 man team and being well versed in various standardized things will be more useful. 

I completely agree, Ken. I think the traditional militias most closely resemble our current county sheriffs' offices, their deputies, and the reserve deputies.

"Being well versed in various standardized things will be more useful" -     

There are patriot figureheads all over the U.S., all through the internet, promoting freedom this and liberty that...I don't see why the patriot movement cannot get together and agree to some very basic, standardized practices and once agreed upon, have those practices periodically promoted by as many figureheads as possible via all social outlets. Notice I said periodically, not once or twice. They need to address it a couple of times a year. Patriots come and go...young guys and gals join us all the time. Education is an ongoing issue, and will forever be.

[Kentactic]

Because this isn't going to be an overt fight. 

Not: 

because they will: 

Looks a whole lot like this doesn't it? :

Unless something drastic takes place, trying to change the system and gov actions by force will not succeed.
By drastic, I mean states start succeeding, the system, economic or political, collapses in on itself due to corruption (happening as I write this),or  massive natural or man made disaster affecting a large swath of the country.

Any change that has a chance of success has to occur from within.  Anything else is bullshit bravado talk that isn't going to to have a nats chance in hell of accomplishing anything.  How do you think the socialists and communists have taken power in a country that was staunchly democratic?  By Force?  Even the communist Weather Underground came to realize they were accomplishing nothing with violence, changed tactics, and helped put their man in the whitehouse.

Want change back to a freedom based, smaller federal government?  They showed you the way.  Instead of talking about the best comms and guns, maybe you young studs should start talking about the best political strategy and run for office.       

With all due respect.... that idea ain't worth a velvet painting of a dolphin and a whale getting it on. YOUR system lost MY freedoms. YOUR system bread tyranny from day one. Its a slow process but it has only gotten worse. YOU voted for them. It was YOUR guys 50% of the time, that has taken MY freedoms. I never signed up to gamble heads or tails with my freedoms. Heads or tails the people still lose. You gladly did it for me though. Stop playing the damn game already... walk away from the table. You lost your ass, see that you cant win, yet still you insist that you can win it all back? Dude walk away while you still have your shirt. You're losing my shirt to and im not even playing.

[crudos]

What bull-shit!

I can't believe I spent 12 minutes watching this crap.

DRAMA
: a piece of writing that tells a story and is performed on a stage

: a play, movie, television show, or radio show that is about a serious subject and is not meant to make the audience laugh

: the art or activity of performing a role in a play, show, etc.

: The whining so as to draw attention to ones-self*


I do not know whom Reid is however he just assumed that everyone else wanted to hear the tiny details of his day - What a narcissus!

Yeager isn't that much far behind them. Due to the size of their heads I wonder - How do those two guys fit in a room together?

* I added this...

I am totally with you on this JM (a first, maybe). My views on the Bundy event has changed dramatically over the last week, and certainly would not fall lock-step with the party line spoken by many.

For the talk about militias….. from what I've seen of them over the years, it's just another exclusive club to compare genitalia/caliber sizes. Show me a group that actually knows it's history, can separate fact from propaganda and act accordingly, generally have their shit squared away, and maybe my views might change. Of all the vids I've watched on the Bundy hysteria, I've seen none of my requirements being met by these groups.

[sledge]

Because this isn't going to be an overt fight. 

Not: 

because they will: 

Looks a whole lot like this doesn't it? :

Unless something drastic takes place, trying to change the system and gov actions by force will not succeed.
By drastic, I mean states start succeeding, the system, economic or political, collapses in on itself due to corruption (happening as I write this),or  massive natural or man made disaster affecting a large swath of the country.

Any change that has a chance of success has to occur from within.  Anything else is bullshit bravado talk that isn't going to to have a nats chance in hell of accomplishing anything.  How do you think the socialists and communists have taken power in a country that was staunchly democratic?  By Force?  Even the communist Weather Underground came to realize they were accomplishing nothing with violence, changed tactics, and helped put their man in the whitehouse.

Want change back to a freedom based, smaller federal government?  They showed you the way.  Instead of talking about the best comms and guns, maybe you young studs should start talking about the best political strategy and run for office.       

 You're losing my shirt to and im not even playing.

Ken, this.  I didn't lose your shirt for you.  You have no idea of who I've voted for.  What has lost your shirt for you is your own inaction and the inaction of those masses who have adopted your philosophy.  If you think that your lack of political action provides you with excuse of some form of physical action you are misguided, but even worse doomed.  Look in the mirror my friend and think things through examining the whole picture before you make accusations of things you know nothing about.

[crudos]

Since we are posting videos….

http://youtu.be/6WcVVymL8IU

http://youtu.be/PYGPlZia20c

[Kentactic]

Because this isn't going to be an overt fight. 

Not: 

because they will: 

Looks a whole lot like this doesn't it? :

Unless something drastic takes place, trying to change the system and gov actions by force will not succeed.
By drastic, I mean states start succeeding, the system, economic or political, collapses in on itself due to corruption (happening as I write this),or  massive natural or man made disaster affecting a large swath of the country.

Any change that has a chance of success has to occur from within.  Anything else is bullshit bravado talk that isn't going to to have a nats chance in hell of accomplishing anything.  How do you think the socialists and communists have taken power in a country that was staunchly democratic?  By Force?  Even the communist Weather Underground came to realize they were accomplishing nothing with violence, changed tactics, and helped put their man in the whitehouse.

Want change back to a freedom based, smaller federal government?  They showed you the way.  Instead of talking about the best comms and guns, maybe you young studs should start talking about the best political strategy and run for office.       

 You're losing my shirt to and im not even playing.

Ken, this.  I didn't lose your shirt for you.  You have no idea of who I've voted for.  What has lost your shirt for you is your own inaction of those masses who have adopted your philosophy.  If you think that your lack of political inaction provides you with excuse of some form of physical action you are misguided, but even worse doomed.  Look in the mirror my friend and think things through examining the whole picture before you make accusations of things you know nothing about.

It doesn't matter who you voted for.... thats the point. But you and the masses keep this corrupt system in place to get men with guns to force essentially their will on me.

I promise I will never send men with guns to make you do stuff. I will never be a part of that system.  Can you stop sending them to force their will on me? You agreed to the rules of thr game. You knew they had guns. You played anyways.

If the last 200+ years in degrading freedom hasn't been a long enough test of your system then I dont know what will be.

[sledge]

I disagree respectfully Ken.  It does matter a great deal who you vote for.  While you were refusing to take part in the electorial process, I funded and built a website and political activist website before the last congressional election in support of the Tea Party (you know those old folks you blame all your trouble on who are trying to reign in big government).  Due to the reach that site (takeamericaback.org) and the efforts of many others we were able to put many true government conservatives (not enough) into office.  If it wasn't for those few and their standing firm on issues even against the Republican leadership, we would be worse off with even more crap shoved down our throats. 

I does make a difference who you vote for, if you even vote, and what politacal actions you take (ranging from full out commitment to nothing at all) to the road that this country follows.

If you aren't taking responsibility for political action, honestly, you have no right to complain.  Otherwise you are merely bitching while accepting the scraps you're being tossed.  The is no other option than political action.  None that will work anyway.  Don't let frustration suck you into a path that goes nowhere my friend. 

Don't think I'm fussing at you.  You are some young man and I admire you a great deal.   

[APX808]

Blaming an specific individual for the behavior of millions is retarded.

Being politically inactive is the worst for a republic, "The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing".

War is just politics by other means, irregular armed forces are only useful to push a political agenda!

[Kentactic]

Blaming an specific individual for the behavior of millions is retarded.

Being politically inactive is the worst for a republic, "The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing".

War is just politics by other means, irregular armed forces are only useful to push a political agenda!

Im very active in politics. I just dont condone ineffective and immoral avenues.

I blame all of the mindless millions equally.

[Kentactic]

I disagree respectfully Ken.  It does matter a great deal who you vote for.  While you were refusing to take part in the electorial process, I funded and built a website and political activist website before the last congressional election in support of the Tea Party (you know those old folks you blame all your trouble on who are trying to reign in big government).  Due to the reach that site (takeamericaback.org) and the efforts of many others we were able to put many true government conservatives (not enough) into office.  If it wasn't for those few and their standing firm on issues even against the Republican leadership, we would be worse off with even more crap shoved down our throats. 

I does make a difference who you vote for, if you even vote, and what politacal actions you take (ranging from full out commitment to nothing at all) to the road that this country follows.

If you aren't taking responsibility for political action, honestly, you have no right to complain.  Otherwise you are merely bitching while accepting the scraps you're being tossed.  The is no other option than political action.  None that will work anyway.  Don't let frustration suck you into a path that goes nowhere my friend. 

Don't think I'm fussing at you.  You are some young man and I admire you a great deal.   

Brother... dont you understand you are simply hoping to get enough people on your side to cram your beliefs down their throat?

I refuse to play the game. I am standing here to tell you the game is rigged. If you read the rules and still want to play then DO NOT cry if you lose. Nobody likes a sore loser. The second you cast a vote you agreed to the rules. You forfeit any right to complain. The term "I told you so" comes to mind. You wanted the big stuffed animal. I told you the basket ball hoop was oval and its nearly impossible to make three baskets. You went for it anyways. NOW you want to bitch about it?

Please save your scraps for the sheep. Throw me nothing. I want nothing from you if it requires me to affiliate myself with the criminal system you take part in. All I ask is your goons leave me alone.

No love lost im just making a point.

[sledge]

Blaming an specific individual for the behavior of millions is retarded.

Being politically inactive is the worst for a republic, "The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing".

War is just politics by other means, irregular armed forces are only useful to push a political agenda!

Im very active in politics. I just dont condone ineffective and immoral avenues.

I blame all of the mindless millions equally.

   Same here.  Common ground.  It's quite possible we're more alike than we realize.

Hang tight and look for ways to make a difference.  I wasn't kidding when I said I admire you.  Your road is going to be something to talk about years on.   

[Kentactic]

Blaming an specific individual for the behavior of millions is retarded.

Being politically inactive is the worst for a republic, "The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing".

War is just politics by other means, irregular armed forces are only useful to push a political agenda!

Im very active in politics. I just dont condone ineffective and immoral avenues.

I blame all of the mindless millions equally.

   Same here.  Common ground.  It's quite possible we're more alike than we realize.

Hang tight and look for ways to make a difference.  I wasn't kidding when I said I admire you.  Your road is going to be something to talk about years on.   

Right on brother