Buchanan: Why This Obsession With Iran?

[EJR914]

?Iran is not seeking to have the atomic bomb, possession of which is pointless, dangerous and is a great sin from an intellectual and a religious point of view.?

Thus did supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei declare in February that Iran?s possession of atomic weapons would be a mortal sin against Allah.

It is also the unanimous judgment of the U.S. intelligence community, declared in 2007 and affirmed in 2011, that Iran has abandoned any program to build nuclear weapons.

Is the Ayatollah lying? Is the entire U.S. intel community wrong?

Iran?s plants, at Natanz, where uranium is enriched to 5 percent, and at Fordow, where it is enriched to 20 percent ? both below weapons grade ? are under constant U.N. monitoring. Iran has offered to surrender its 20 percent uranium and cease enriching to that level, if the West will provide isotopes for its nuclear medicine and lift some of the more onerous sanctions.

No deal, says the United States. Iran must give up enrichment entirely and indefinitely.

Read the rest here:  http://buchanan.org/blog/why-this-obsession-with-iran-5107

Please let's not have another Weapons of Mass Destruction witch hunt (Iraq)...    This time over enriching uranium which is NOT even that of weapons grade. 

[RS762]

I don't think you understand EJR (insert irrelevant quip about the supposed importance of israel and the cultural and religious backwardness of Iran).

[NOLA556]

I don't think you understand EJR (insert irrelevant quip about the supposed importance of israel and the cultural and religious backwardness of Iran).

lolololololol....  [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co

[EJR914]

Yep, but Israel is more than capable of taking care of itself without our involvement.

[Grudgie]

Yea. Iran secretly funds terrorist groups. But to think they want an atomic weapon to use agianst Israel is absurd.. Muslims and Jews love each other.

That was sarcasm. It is obvious that their President wants an atomic weapon to use agianst Israel. If yoou don't think America should support its strongest ally that is ok. But don't demonize Israel over this. Put yourself in an Israeli citizen's shoes. Or put yourself in Benjamin Netanyahu's shoes who is responsible for the security of his people.

Yea whatever. I'm just a Bible thumper right?

[EJR914]

You're free to your opinion, Grudgie.

[Grudgie]

Thank you for reminding me.

[Kentactic]

With our nuclear warheads down from 5000 to only 1500 and more plans to reduce even more if obama gets his way were not looking so strong ourselves.

[NOLA556]

Yea. Iran secretly funds terrorist groups. But to think they want an atomic weapon to use agianst Israel is absurd.. Muslims and Jews love each other.

That was sarcasm. It is obvious that their President wants an atomic weapon to use agianst Israel. If yoou don't think America should support its strongest ally that is ok. But don't demonize Israel over this. Put yourself in an Israeli citizen's shoes. Or put yourself in Benjamin Netanyahu's shoes who is responsible for the security of his people.

Yea whatever. I'm just a Bible thumper right?

strongest ally... meaning...? bottomless pit for American tax money? why are they our strongest ally anyway? what do we get in return for basically funding the majority of their military? why do we care so much about whether or not Iran wants to fuck with Israel? last time I checked, Israel could easily make Iranian soil glow orange for the next century.

here's a bit of insight that many choose to ignore:

Hezbollah's Propaganda War (Part 1/2)

so, If you take the time to watch the film, you'll see that it's this:



vs. this:



something tells me they can handle it without the 8.2 million PER DAY that Israel receives from the U.S. taxpayer.

http://ifamericansknew.org/stats/usaid.html#source

[Grudgie]

Yea conventional forces beat guerilla forces every day of the week.

It's not really Israel vs. Iran. It's more like Israel vs. Islam. Which is 23% of the world population according to a quick Wikipedia search. Plus possible Chinese and Russian backing.

[NOLA556]

Yea conventional forces beat guerilla forces every day of the week.

in an occupation, of course not. that much is obvious. look at the last 10 years.

It's not really Israel vs. Iran. It's more like Israel vs. Islam. Which is 23% of the world population according to a quick Wikipedia search. Plus possible Chinese and Russian backing.

why do you care? would you care if it were Kazakhstan vs. Islam? or Belize vs. Islam? or Cuba vs. Islam? (doubtful) so what gives? why is that particular geographic region so important to you? (and painfully, SO many others)... the question is not rhetorical. I'm actually very interested in what exactly makes that place so important to those who hold it in such high regard.

furthermore, what would the man who's pictured and quoted in your forum signature say about your views on foreign policy?

[Grudgie]

in an occupation, of course not. that much is obvious. look at the last 10 years.

I'm sorry I was using sarcasm agian. I'm going to have to quit that.

[NOLA556]

in an occupation, of course not. that much is obvious. look at the last 10 years.

I'm sorry I was using sarcasm agian. I'm going to have to quit that.

that may be a good idea bro. I could, at the very least, respect your views if you could actually back them up with some kind of sound argument rather than ignoring the mounting list of questions and only responding with passive/aggressive sarcasm. I don't expect everyone to agree with my line of thinking, but if you're going to argue a point, then argue it.

EDIT: allow me to just throw something else in here. despite my high-and-mighty "community moderator status", my personal opinions DO NOT represent the collective message of this forum. I'd like to think that there is no "collective opinion" here. I will, however, regardless of forum hierarchy or status, express my opinion when I feel it necessary. that is all.

[Grudgie]

It's just that the Jews are God's chosen people and I believe those who bless them and the nation of Israel will be blessed.

[NOLA556]

It's just that the Jews are God's chosen people and I believe those who bless them and the nation of Israel will be blessed.

that's what I figured.

so. how do you feel about the CONUS?

are we a "Christian nation" or are we a free nation? remember that little side-note about the 8.2 mil per day? what about those of us who aren't Christian? do we get to opt-out of this little unconstitutional religious partnership, or are we bound to it just because we were born into a "Christian society"?

and of course, like I said before, what would your boy TJ say about it?

all valid questions IMHO.

[EJR914]

It's just that the Jews are God's chosen people and I believe those who bless them and the nation of Israel will be blessed.

So you believe that the United States should act as a Theocracy?  The US should be forced to send money and support to a country just because the Christians in this country want to support "God's chosen people? 

I hope you realize that the United States is NOT a Christian nation, we have freedom of religion, and we also have separation of Church and State, so we do not have a Theocracy here in this country. 

So please explain to me why we are forced to give money to Israel.  Also, please explain to me WHAT we get back in return for all of this support and money that we give to Israel.

All I've seen us get back in return for our support of Israel is 9/11 and that is a fact. 

[Grudgie]

I'm going to admit that I'm torn over this. On one side, what you say is true. Supporting Israeli state hood gives us nothing other than military convienience in a foreign region (Which America should not be concerned with anyway).

But on the other hand, turning my back on Israel would go agianst what I believe in. What is a man if he doesn't stand up for what he believes? Those who curse Israel will be cursed and those who bless Israel will themselves be blessed.

It's true this isn't a Theocracy. It isn't even a democracy. But I still have a voice, and I share some of the Country's political power with my voice even if it is based on religion. Many voices like my own agree that Israel should be supported, and if you don't think Israel should be supported that is your voice. Your side also has many voices.

I believe we should support Israel primarily for religious beliefs, and like a man I not backing down from thatt belief. Whether it is right for some or right for all it is still my belief.

It's like the abortion issue. Sure, God endowed us with free will and the Bible doesn't apply to non-Christians. But what kind of Christian would I be if I didn't oppose abortion? It's this kind of thinking. Laugh if you want to how I am using emotion over logic. But to use the vernacular, I refuse to be a little B&^*h and not stand up for what I believe.

And I will not be baited by your Thomas Jefferson remarks.

[JohnyMac]

The reason why the US is so involved with the Middle East is this.

The countries on the southern coast of the Mediterranean would make a great place to launch an attach on the soft underbelly of Europe -  AKA the Churchill Doctrine. Israel is the only country in the region that is friendly to the U.S. now. If all of the middle east becomes Islam the EU is screwed.

Remember what happened post the Crusades. 

[NOLA556]

And I will not be baited by your Thomas Jefferson remarks.

not baiting, bro. just pointing out contradiction when I see it.

[Grudgie]

Lol umadbro

It is baiting. And I think you know it.

[RS762]

If people want to support Israel so bad then cut a damn check. Why does the entirety of the US tax base give Israel its $8 million+ A DAY in financial "aid". Surely there is a more voluntary solution to this problem.

[NOLA556]

Lol umadbro

It is baiting. And I think you know it.

um. ok. so if I had a similar signature with Barry's ugly mug on it and some really eloquent quote, yet my lifestyle and beliefs are directly contradictory to Barry's, would someone be "baiting" if they called me out on my bullshit?

[Grudgie]

Pointing out that I share a contradictory opinion with someone I quote is a valid point.

Implying that I therefore must agree with everything he thinks is childish.

You can only ever make educated guesses as to what someone who lived 220 years ago would think about such vague non-existint topics.

[EJR914]

I'm going to admit that I'm torn over this. On one side, what you say is true. Supporting Israeli state hood gives us nothing other than military convienience in a foreign region (Which America should not be concerned with anyway).

  Good.  That's a good thing, because if anyone values their freedoms, and yet has a belief like this, you should definitely be torn.

But on the other hand, turning my back on Israel would go agianst what I believe in. What is a man if he doesn't stand up for what he believes? Those who curse Israel will be cursed and those who bless Israel will themselves be blessed.

Sorry, bro, I support Israel as well on a personal level.  I support Israel to be 100 percent sovereign, I support their RIGHT to exist, I support their right to self-determination, I support their right to make all their own decisions for their country, I also support any decisions they make in the realm of their defense.  If Israel wants to NUKE IRAN off the face of the earth, because they were about to have a nuke launched at them, I support them 100 percent with out fail.  Israel is also a BIG BOY, and they have all the nukes and other weapons they will ever need in order to defend themselves without our constant foreign welfare.  Israel is MORE than capable of taking care of themselves.  They don't need big brother, US, always there to jump in and fight their fights for them.  They are completely capable of taking care of themselves without our "help."  Financially or with the military. 

YOU are free to stand up for whatever you want, it is WRONG when you go to the government and vote to force the rest of us to pay taxes, that get shipped to Israel as Foreign Welfare, just as we do with hundreds of country, because of something that you believe.  That is morally wrong.  Its no different than armed robbery.  If you don't understand the comparison I can explain it later in great detail.  I think we should cut ALL Foreign Welfare to all countries right now, NOT just Israel.

By all means, if you want to support Israel with your money, get our your check book, find a way to send that money to an Israel support fund, or to the country itself, and write them a big ole' fat check of your own money.  I'm not kidding, either.  Just stop voting people into office that want to take money from me, in order to ship it to Israel as Foreign Welfare, and for every other country we send money as well.  Its morally wrong.

It's true this isn't a Theocracy. It isn't even a democracy. But I still have a voice, and I share some of the Country's political power with my voice even if it is based on religion. Many voices like my own agree that Israel should be supported, and if you don't think Israel should be supported that is your voice. Your side also has many voices.

Actually, no, there are not many people out there with my views.  Maybe 3 to 6 percent of the population believe as I do.  The other 94% is forcibly taking money out of my pocket, to give to other countries in the form of Foreign Welfare. 

I believe we should support Israel primarily for religious beliefs, and like a man I not backing down from thatt belief. Whether it is right for some or right for all it is still my belief.

By all means, take out your check book and write Israel a big fat check of your own money.  Please stop voting for politicians that force me to pay out of my pocket for your beliefs.  This belief that you have is nothing more than turning our government into a theocracy.  Supporting another county with foreign welfare just because of your religious beliefs.  By they way, I'm a Christian too, I can just see through the Pro-Israel propaganda that we get brainwashed with everyday of our lives.  I was exactly in your spot 3 years ago.  That is a fact.  I just started researching, and I came to the conclusion of how morally wrong it was to vote to have the government force other people to pay for MY beliefs. 

It's like the abortion issue. Sure, God endowed us with free will and the Bible doesn't apply to non-Christians. But what kind of Christian would I be if I didn't oppose abortion? It's this kind of thinking. Laugh if you want to how I am using emotion over logic. But to use the vernacular, I refuse to be a little B&^*h and not stand up for what I believe.

I oppose abortion as well on a personal level, when I have a problem with it, is when people go get the government to make it illegal for someone to make an immoral and unchristian act, like abortion, prostitution, and buying and using too much alcohol or any drugs.  That is called living in a Theocracy, so you are again telling me that you want America to remain a theocracy. 

People should be free in this country to make bad moral decisions, or do unchristian things, without the government making it illegal to do so.  I do not want to live  in such a theocracy, it is morally repugnant to force people, through the government to be moral and Christian.

And I will not be baited by your Thomas Jefferson remarks.

I hate to point it out to you, bro, but Thomas Jefferson was the one founding father that PUSHED for the separation of Church and State.  He would be against what you are for, without a doubt. 

[JohnyMac]

Logistics guys...Logistics! WE are getting off message her. Buchanan: Why the obsession with Iran?