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Title: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Well-Prepared Witch on June 15, 2016, 07:17:08 AM
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0Z10GK (http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0Z10GK)

Definitely an unstable time for the economy. In talking to a friend a couple weeks ago I said that a Brexit probably wouldn't topple the world's economy, but it certainly would remove another Jenga block from an already unstable pile.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: JohnyMac on June 15, 2016, 07:50:19 AM
A couple of weeks ago we have been bouncing around the Brexit vote somewhere here on the forum plus the up and coming TTIP vote.

Since Gadget lives in the UK, he has had some first hand opinions on the subject. Go here (http://unchainedpreppers.com/forum/news/the-new-top-secret-european-union-constitution/) to read.

IMO ONLY: If the UK does exit the EU I suspect that other countries will follow. Italy and Spain are two that come immediately to mind.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: gadget99 on June 15, 2016, 11:35:30 AM
Oh my.....

It is heating up over here in the UK over this.

I personally believe that the rest of the EU hopes the UK votes to exit.

1. If this happens the conceited and insignificant little island off the coast of Europe will be out of their hair. 
2. Soon after the vote, Scotland will hold another referendum and vote to leave the UK and stay in the EU. (There goes ALL of the oil reserves on the UK).
3. The EU while not perfect does represent a single entity in terms of power. Each country on its own does not hold much power in this world. Yet as a whole they have a place at the table.
4. Contrary to the hype. The EU is and will be a strong entity in the world. Think of the individual countries as being states and the EU being being the federal government.
5. The TIPP is a trade treaty between the US and the EU. The UK votes to leave and they are out of that deal.
6. The UK votes to leave and they are out of ALL current trade agreements that are with the EU.
7. What people here cannot get into their thick heads is that there is no longer a British Empire. The UK is a small Island with very little practical influence on the world alone.
8. The UK contrary to belief is not massively significant to the global economy. They do not mine, manufacture or produce anything of significance here. The number one industry here is financial services. Yep ..... that is an OH CRAP situation.

Now to me I am not really fussed. I don't really care. I have planned for this vote to go either way. They vote to leave and my US based income is going to be worth a massive amount for many years.  :thumbsUp: :thumbsUp: :thumbsUp:

It is going to be interesting.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Nemo on June 15, 2016, 10:54:18 PM
With all that planning and anticipation I am quite confident you have a boat somewhere close.  Right?

Nemo
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: gadget99 on June 16, 2016, 03:17:50 AM
With all that planning and anticipation I am quite confident you have a boat somewhere close.  Right?

Nemo
Lol...

Yep have a plan on that one.

Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Nemo on June 16, 2016, 09:21:43 AM
Interesting thoughts in Washington Post.

Nemo

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/15/what-would-britain-look-like-post-brexit-here-are-four-possibilities/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/15/what-would-britain-look-like-post-brexit-here-are-four-possibilities/)



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What would Britain look like post-Brexit? Here are four possibilities.
By Griff Witte June 15

When Britons go to the polls on June 23, they will have the opportunity to jettison their country’s membership in the European Union — an outcome popularly known as Brexit.

But the ballot won’t say anything about what should replace E.U. membership. That will be up to negotiators — representing Britain on one side and the governments of the 27 other E.U. member nations on the other — who will spend the next two years hammering out the terms of divorce if Britain votes to leave.

Pro-Brexit campaigners have said that Britain will continue to swap goods and services with E.U. nations; those imports and exports now make up about half the country’s trade volume. Brexit advocates also say that Britain will be free from stultifying Brussels bureaucracy once it leaves the E.U.

But how will that actually work? And what are the chances that Britain’s post-Brexit reality will match the rhetoric of those advocating for “out”? Those arguing for “in” say Brexit would be a leap in the dark, with leading economists warning of dire consequences.

READ THIS THEN GO TO THE LINK ABOVE TO READ THE 4 POSSIBILITES
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: gadget99 on June 16, 2016, 12:43:26 PM
Well.... I said things were getting interesting and intense over here in the run up to the vote next week.

They got really intense today.

A female labour MP was killed today. She was campaigning for remaining within the EU.

She was shot and then stabbed.

Yep.... In a country with massive gun control.

The guy shouted " Britain First" as he walked away.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/16/labour-mp-jo-cox-shot-in-leeds-witnesses-report/
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: JohnyMac on June 16, 2016, 03:28:16 PM
WOW! Its all Trumps fault!  :sarcasm:

Sorry to read this Gadget as nobody should be murdered for an opposite opinion.

Nothing on the news here as yet.

Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Well-Prepared Witch on June 16, 2016, 06:34:33 PM
Gadget, my condolences on Mrs. Cox's murder.  That's appalling and horrible.  There is just too much hate and fear in this world right now.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: JohnyMac on June 16, 2016, 06:41:11 PM
I think Wellie wrote it best..."That's appalling and horrible.  There is just too much hate and fear in this world right now."

I just heard about it on the Bret Baier Report via Fox. Nothing was mentioned though as to why the drama happened. Mmmmm?
 
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: gadget99 on June 20, 2016, 12:58:32 PM
Hi All,

Just an update on the MP killing and an intel report.

First of all on the MP Killing. The asshole was in court yesterday after being charged with the murder. When the judge asked him to state his name and addres. This guy answered with "Death to Traitors, Freedom for Britan" when asked again he answered the same.

He has links to Neo Nazi groups in the U.S. so this s getting interesting.

On the intel front. I just visited on of the local Asian stores (Pakastani) and in discussion I was asked if I was going to vote to stay in the EU. I said I was and then the guy said that everyone around there were going to vote to leave.

Interesting piece of info there.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Well-Prepared Witch on June 20, 2016, 06:26:47 PM
Interesting!  Most recent polling shows In up several points over Out.  It's going to be a nail-biter, I think!
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: gadget99 on June 20, 2016, 07:54:51 PM
Interesting!  Most recent polling shows In up several points over Out.  It's going to be a nail-biter, I think!
Yes I believe it is going to be very close.

The dynamics of this thing are very complex at the moment.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: JohnyMac on June 21, 2016, 10:00:43 AM
Add to the Brexit vote Thursday, rioting in France (http://yournewswire.com/one-million-people-rise-up-in-france-amid-media-blackout/) and large pro Nationalism rally's in Germany. Just for spice, add to that stew Hungary & Poland completely closing their borders to immigrants from the Middle East (Syria).

Then lets finish off that stew with our own economic situation (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-16/15-facts-about-imploding-us-economy-mainstream-media-doesn%E2%80%99t-want-you-see) and the up and coming Presidential conventions then onto the Presidential vote in November.

It's all fun and games till someone gets hurt  ;)

Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Well-Prepared Witch on June 22, 2016, 07:15:11 AM
I certainly am reminded that the phrase "may you live in interesting times" is a curse! One more day, then probably another for tallying and we'll know. Then we get to watch the fallout whatever it may be.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: JohnyMac on June 22, 2016, 08:50:39 AM
 :tinfoil: warning

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I was just thinking that the EU Elites will do anything to not have Brexit win tomorrow. I wonder how many precinct captains from Chicago have been working in the UK for the last several months.  ;)

Just think of the thousands of dead people will be voting tomorrow.  ;)

 :tinfoil: warning is now over.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: brat on June 23, 2016, 05:44:44 AM
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I was just thinking that the EU Elites will do anything to not have Brexit win tomorrow.

Yep, like the people's vote will actually matter, like they do here....... 
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: JohnyMac on June 23, 2016, 09:45:31 AM
I am not for or against the Brerxit vote, however I think it will fail. There is too much for the EU Elites to loose.

Brexit supporters urged to take own pens to polling station amid fears of MI5 conspiracy (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/eu-referendum-brexit-how-to-vote-own-pens-polling-station-polls-live-latest-mi5-conspiracy-fears-a7097011.html)

DJIA, is up at this writing 156 points.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Grudgie on June 24, 2016, 12:10:29 AM
Brexit is happening. Global stock markets in a doozy. Safe havens gold and bitcoin are up. British pound going down.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: gadget99 on June 24, 2016, 12:49:32 AM
Well.........

Oh Crap......

It begins.

I hate it when things like this happens.

Gonna be an interesting ride now.....
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: JohnyMac on June 24, 2016, 07:20:57 AM
A few thoughts...

DJIA futures down 577 at this writing
This was a very close vote, 52%/48%. Now you know why we have an electoral vote for President
All of Scotland was a "no" which as Gadget predicts they will probably secede. Similarly Northern Ireland.
Euro to USD down 3%
GBP to USD down 8%
GBP to Euro down 8%
Spot gold flat

It is bad for USA for the dollar to becoming stronger. Strong dollar = less exports which is bad for the US

We will have to wait and see how this plays out.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: gadget99 on June 24, 2016, 07:36:57 AM
The Scottish leader just announced they are going to hold a referendum and leave the UK.

Talk about pissed off. The Scots are REALLY upset.

Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Well-Prepared Witch on June 24, 2016, 07:48:24 AM
I am shocked that Britons voted so against their best interests. If the UK can make such a grievous mistake it makes me fear that our own country could make just as devastating a decision and elect someone like Trump. What's with this regrettable trend towards xenophobia and isolationism?

At any rate, I think the UK just voted itself into financial and political irrelevancy by leaving the EU. I bet in 10 years they'll be the small, inconsequential world player they were at the time of Henry VIII, especially with Scotland likely to leave Great Britain.

I'm not surprised or worried about today's market swings. We knew it'd be ugly today. I do worry about what happens next. What happens tomorrow and next week and next month? How will the dissolution of trade agreements, currency agreements, etc. affect markets? I really feel this is going to destroy the EU - France and the Netherlands are already talking about their own referendums.

Of course, the EU *might* dissolve without triggering a global depression.  It could just be another paradigm shift. But I think this is going to be seen as the day the global economy collapsed. Grim & pessimistic, I know, but I'm still reeling that the vote went this way.

Interesting opinion piece.
http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2016/06/tomorrow-belongs-to-me.html (http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2016/06/tomorrow-belongs-to-me.html)
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: JohnyMac on June 24, 2016, 08:18:25 AM
I was just watching Mr. Trump in Turnberry, Scotland.

Trump just said that the USA will put the UK at the front of the line as we are great partners. This of course was opposite of what Mr. Obama said when he was in the UK last month.

I also think that Trump will use this recent vote to promote his campaign. "The people spoke." This will buoy his campaign and people who have been on the fence will join his march to be USA's next President.

With that written, I think the Democrat Elites, need to rethink Mrs. Clinton's march to be the President to the US. I suspect we will see the FBI recommending indictment to the DOJ next week. Remember, the DOJ can sit on it hoping that the new Pres/VP team wins.

Now who might that be? I suspect Biden/Warren.

Now the next two countries to watch leaving the EU is Italy and Spain. Germany isn't that far behind as Nationalism is rising in Germany. I suspect that Mrs. Merkel and her Christian Democratic Union party will be declared DOA in the next several months and the aforementioned Nationalism will rise to the top like fresh cream.

We live in interesting times folks. Keep a diary so when the winners rewrite history there will be a accurate recording of it.   
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Nemo on June 24, 2016, 09:32:26 AM
Britian has voted to leave the European Union.  A couple other countries over there now are strongly considering it.  Blame this all on the great anti-immigrant part of the population.  We will be living in very interesting times.

News reported to expect complete dissolution of the European Union over the next couple years and likely a pretty bad recession (if not downright depression) over there, which of course will be extending here.  Yo Venezuelan depression, don't visit Canada, don't visit me, visit that guy across the sea.

Go get that extra jar of peanut butter.

Nemo

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/06/24/brexit-victory-sends-cameron-packing-roils-world-financial-markets.html (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/06/24/brexit-victory-sends-cameron-packing-roils-world-financial-markets.html)
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: gadget99 on June 24, 2016, 01:11:51 PM
Hi All,

Thought I might provide a bit of an update on how it played out over here.

1. When I put my head down to sleep between 00:30 and 01:00 It was looking as if even though it would be a close race, the stay in the EU side would win.

2. Woke at 05:30 and saw that the tipping point had just been crossed in favor of the leave the EU side.

https://youtu.be/CF6gXybuwUU

3. Started watching the news channels (Still am)

4. Next big announcement is that Nigel Farage (D*** Head) was already gloating on morning TV shows. When asked if the major slogan "Why pay EU dues when we an spend that money on the National Health Service" is a guaranteed thing. His answer was "No. Of course not. That was a mistake in the champagne strategy." Well it only took a few hours for the leave champagne to go back on a promise.

https://youtu.be/cA3XTYfzd1I

5. The EU leadership started declaring their position. "You voted out? By By see you. No negotiation. No second chance. You made your bed so lie in it" They have to take this line and really hit the UK hard on this thing to discourage others from trying the same thing. The EU is going to do everything possible to screw and hurt the UK in the exit.

https://youtu.be/haNOjDgWVvA

6. David Cameron resigned. (Basically fell on his sword in style) He basically was saying to his fellow conservative leave side "You wanted it? You got it. I'm out of here and you get to handle the mess you made"

https://youtu.be/uMXWNtXfCoc
 
6. Boris Johnson the primary conservative leave the EU talking head. Had to wait for police to beef up security before leaving his house in London. Due to the fact that there were alot of pretty angry people that wanted to stay in the EU waiting outside his house. 

7. The Scottish leader announces that since here people voted to stay in the EU, she will do whatever it takes to ensure their will is done. They refuse to be dragged out of the EU against their will. So they are going to start the process to conduct another referendum to leave the UK.

https://youtu.be/hCb17h3aYWA

8. Northern Ireland is still arguing with itself about following the Scottish example.

9. The just below 50% of the populace that voted to stay in the EU are REALLY pissed ATM. They have even started petitions demanding a do over. Unfortunately when the head of the EU says prior to the vote that if you do this, that is it. Then gets up today and says. OK its a done deal. No get out quick.

10. So the die is cast.

For me. I am good.

1. My US based income (more than half our income) is now and will be worth a great deal more. (BIG PLUS)
2. The UK is going to split-up. Ye Ha. Now it is going to be less significant in the world and now so much less of a target.


Cheers all....

Will keep you updated.

See attached a graphic of the size of the UK compared to the US and make your own decision about how important the UK is to the world.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: special-k on June 24, 2016, 03:22:07 PM
 :stir:   My message to all the butthurt "remain" supporters:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ula8oi_M4Ww (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ula8oi_M4Ww)
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: JoJo on June 24, 2016, 06:21:52 PM
A day late but...

 Here's another point of view.

Those people who do not avidly track global economic events may be a bit confused by the growing tensions surrounding the U.K. referendum to exit the European Union, otherwise known as the “Brexit.” Or, they are completely indifferent. Unfortunately, the potential fallout surrounding the event could very well affect the entire world, but perhaps not in the manner the mainstream media and international financiers would have us believe…

I would point out that under normal global economic conditions, the Brexit really shouldn’t matter much to anyone outside of the U.K. If the EU was fiscally stable, if its banks were solvent and its national debts well in hand, if the EU was actually a practical and successful supranational body, then the damage done by a British vote to leave the union would be minimal. Of course, this is not the case. As many other independent economic analysts and I have been outlining for years, the European Union is on the verge of economic breakdown. Look at it this way — if financial turmoil in a tiny member state like Greece can cause widespread doubts about the EU’s stability, then there is something fundamentally volatile about the entire structure.

The Brexit matters greatly to the future of the EU because, theoretically, if one of its most prominent members says adios, then other members may do the same. As it stands now, the EU cannot afford to have even one member, economically large or small, drop out of the system.

The Brexit matters to the rest of the world including the U.S. because of the brilliantly-destructive program of interdependency and globalism that has shaped our financial house for decades. Interdependency leads to extreme economic weakness because no piece of the global system has the tools to survive without the other pieces; and on top of this, when one part of the machine goes down, ALL the other parts are affected.

It is a truly horrible and seemingly idiotic system; but not so idiotic if you accept the reality that it is deliberately engineered to fail.

When you examine the fiscal foundations of every major economy in the world today, what you find is a financial shell game. The fundamentals tell us the truth; with global exports and imports in decline, global shipping of raw materials in decline, manufacturing in decline, retail in decline, employment in decline, real unemployment numbers including those people no longer counted by the Labor Department skyrocketing and the number of people on welfare and food stamps skyrocketing.

In reality, the global economy is one massive thin-skinned bubble searching for a sharp object to impale itself on. The Brexit may very well be that sharp object.

Before I go into the various details surrounding Thursday’s vote, I want to state that I am in full support of the British movement to leave the European Union. The reasoning behind a successful Brexit is solid. The European Union’s rabid socialist tendencies have created a doom scenario for all those shackled to the supranational body. Forced multiculturalism and cultural Marxism has opened a floodgate of Islamic refugees which hold ideological beliefs completely incompatible with western principles and heritage while at the same time introducing a massive vampiric drain on the prevailing social welfare systems.

The EU’s governing body is a mostly faceless and unaccountable bureaucracy that hands down legal dictates from on high while the general population of the member states have little or no input. The European Central Bank’s monetary policies support failed financial institutions and fraudulent markets while siphoning tax dollars from stronger and more successful nations in order to feed the debt addictions of weaker countries. The very philosophical engine behind the EU is one of collectivism; it is a system that requires a hive mentality in order to function. Only a fool would WANT to participate in such a political and financial farce.

That said, I think we need to take stock of certain underlying realities.

First, as mentioned earlier, the EU, like most other economies today, is an interdependent structure and is thus designed to fail. The EU is not the golden goose for globalists, it is just another appendage that can be sacrificed or rearranged in order to achieve greater goals. The EU is a means to an end, it is not the ultimate prize.

The ultimate prize for globalists would be a system like the EU with a single currency and a single monetary authority, but this new system would erase all sovereign borders and install a single governmental authority as well.

What does this mean? It means that the failure of the EU does not necessarily mean a failure for the internationalists. For groups of globalists that promote an ideology of Fabian Socialism, a breakdown of the EU, whether partial or total, can be used as leverage for a larger and more centralized global power structure in the long term.  Mark my words, when the system comes crashing down (whether after the Brexit or after another trigger event), internationalists will say that the EU failed not because it was centralized, but because it was not centralized ENOUGH.

Even though I support the Brexit movement based on the principle that supranational unions are a heinous affliction upon free individuals and nations, I have no illusions that a successful Brexit vote will actually harm the globalists. In fact, they may very well desire the U.K. to leave the EU.

Why? As noted, the global economy is on the verge of implosion. The ONLY elements of the system that are not yet crashing are stock markets. This is because stock markets do not in any way reflect the fundamentals of the economy, they only reflect investor perceptions of the economy. Perceptions can be manipulated for a time, and public psychology can be subdued by false optimism and lies. It can take years for a population to psychologically accept the idea that they are in the midst of a recession or depression. Therefore, it can take years for stock markets to finally reflect the legitimate dangers within the economy.

Central banks at the behest of globalist institutions like the International Monetary Fund and the Bank For International Settlements have spent incredible amounts of capital and energy managing public perception. Through subversive monetary policies, they have weakened national economies to the point of collapse, and this collapse is meant to create enough chaos to inspire the masses through fear to support greater centralization.

While certain banking institutions may fall, the bankers themselves have no intention of taking any blame for the inevitable collapse.

If you examine modern history (the past century), you will find in the aftermath of every crisis that globalist organizations have consistently blamed nationalism and sovereignty while promoting socialism and centralization as the most civilized solution. That is to say, globalists create widespread war and financial terror, blame conservative ideals such as sovereignty, then argue that such ideals must be eradicated for the greater good of the greater number.

We have to be honest in our exploration of the Brexit event and admit that in this case the globalists win either way.

If the Brexit succeeds, the globalists can allow the market systems they have been inflating for years to finally crash. They can then blame those dastardly “far-Right extremists” in the U.K. for triggering a domino effect within the global financial system, conveniently scapegoating British conservatives, moderates and sovereigns for a breakdown that was going to happen eventually anyway. Their solution will once again be to argue for the end of “barbaric” conservative principles and install complete centralization and socialism as the cure.

If the Brexit fails, or if it is a controlled fake out, they can artificially boost markets for perhaps another month while distracting the public away from the negative fundamentals yet again.

We should also not overlook the possibility that the referendum vote may be rigged one way or the other. Current polls indicate a tie between the “Leave” crowd and the “Remain” crowd. Any vote this close is the easiest kind of vote to rig a few percentage points to either side.

I believe the Brexit vote may be allowed to succeed, here’s why…

1) Elites including George Soros have suddenly decided to dive into the market to place bets on the negative side. Dumping large portions of their stock holdings, shorting equities and buying up gold and gold mining shares. Soros has been preparing his portfolio for a successful Brexit vote while at the same time publicly warning of the supposed dire consequences if the referendum passes.  The last time Soros put this much capital into the markets was in 2007, just before the crash of 2008.

2) The IMF and the BIS have been warning since late 2015 (for six to eight months) that a global economic downturn is on the way in 2016. We saw considerable volatility at the beginning of this year, and markets are due for another shock. The last time the BIS and IMF were so adamant about an impending crash was in late 2007, just before the 2008 market plunge.

3) While the Federal Reserve has not yet implemented a second rate hike (I still believe they could use a rate hike this year to stab markets in the back if necessary), Janet Yellen pulled a maneuver which was almost as upsetting to investors. After the Fed policy meeting last week, markets were moderately exuberant and stocks were rising, then, Yellen opened her mouth and blamed the Brexit for the rate hike delay…

Here is what the Fed has done: By delaying the second hike for another month, and then blaming the Brexit vote as a primary reason, they have created a bit of a paradox. If the Brexit vote passes, the Fed is asserting that they may not hike rates for a while, giving market investors the impression that the global economic recovery is not all that it is cracked up to be. If the Brexit vote fails, then the Fed MUST hike rates in July, otherwise, they lose all credibility. I believe Yellen’s claim that the Brexit vote was the cause of the hike delay was highly deliberate. It has triggered what may become a growing firestorm in equities and commodities.

From the point of view of investors, if the Brexit passes, then all hell breaks loose. If the Brexit fails, then the Fed will hike rates and once again, all hell breaks loose. Or, the Fed refuses to hike rates even though its number one scapegoat is out of the picture, it loses all credibility, and all hell breaks loose.

It’s a lose/lose/lose scenario for the investment world, which is probably why global markets plunged after Yellen’s remarks. Investors have been relying on the predictability of central bank intervention for so long that now when ANY uncertainty arises, they run for the hedges.

The Fed decision to blame the Brexit for their rate hike delay could indicate foreknowledge of a successful Brexit vote.

4) The recent murder of British lawmaker Jo Cox is perhaps the weirdest piece in the puzzle of the Brexit. For one thing, it makes no sense for a pro-Brexit nationalist (Thomas Mair) to attack and kill a pro-EU lawmaker when the polls for the “Leave” group were clearly ahead. One could simply argue that the guy was nuts, but I’m rather suspicious of “lone gunman,” and his insanity has yet to be proven.  I see no reason for this man, insane or not, to be angry enough to kill while the Brexit side was winning in all the polls.

If someone was using him as a weapon only to discredit the Brexit vote or sway the public towards staying in the EU, you would think that they would have initiated the murder closer to the day of the referendum when it would have the most effect. The information flooded public has days to digest new data and forget Jo Cox.

My theory? Thomas Mair has handlers or he is just a mentally disturbed patsy, and his purpose is indeed to paint the Brexit movement as “angry” or crazy. But this does not necessarily mean the intent behind the assassination of Jo Cox was to break the back of the Brexit movement. Rather, the goal may only be to perpetuate a longer term narrative that conservatives in general are a destructive element of society. We kill, we’re racists, we have an archaic mindset that prevents “progress,” we divide supranational unions, we even destroy global economies. We’re storybook monsters.

Even the cultural Marxists at the Southern Poverty Law Center somehow produced documents allegedly linking Mair (a veritable unknown) to Neo-Nazi groups in 1999. Wherever the SPLC is involved, the official story is always skewed.

The murder of Jo Cox has had a minimal effect on Brexit polling numbers.  In the end, the elites may find Thomas Mair more useful as a mascot for the Brexit AFTER the vote, rather than before the vote.

So now the Brexit movement, which is conservative in spirit, is labeled a “divisive” and “hateful group”, and if the referendum is triumphant, they will also be called economic saboteurs.

There is also the possibility that the Brexit is yet another fake out. We have seen many of them over the past few years. So many in fact that a lot of analysts in the Liberty Movement have grown pretty cynical, as if the system could be propped up forever. The issue is always, of course, one of timing. All fundamentals indicate that the global economy is going down regardless of what central banks and international financiers do in the long run. The only question is whether or not they feel it is time to pull the plug on one of the last remaining bubbles (stocks). A successful Brexit could be a perfect scapegoat for the next leg down in the economy, or it could be a perfect placebo to boost markets for a short time if it fails. In either case, I have no doubt that the outcome has already been decided.

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Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: gadget99 on June 24, 2016, 07:07:03 PM
Good write-up JoJo.

Will be sitting with the popcorn here in Sothern England watching to see how it plays out.

As I hope I said. I am reporting as much factual info on how it is playing out as it happens here.

Since I am watching it happen locally as it happens I do not want to come across as trying to predict what is going to happen. I am only reporting on the factual conditions of what the state of affairs are in this region.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: JohnyMac on June 25, 2016, 09:04:19 AM
Thank you Gadget for reporting from the ground in the UK. You are giving us a view that we are not seeing on the tely or reading here in the States.  :bravo:
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: gadget99 on June 29, 2016, 11:58:19 AM
Ok.....

Time for another update.

Since the vote there has been a steep rise in nationalistic abuse aimed at anyone that is foreign and not white. This is a worrisome trend that has deep implications.

Nigel Farage of the UK Independence Party made a completely embarrassing speech in the EU Parliament

The two prime political parties are in absolute turmoil. I do not see this as showing a good future.

The country is split and While there is not fighting, it resembles the balkinisation fears of some.

I made the comment to a friend that it was interesting to be an observer to a nation that commits suicide. They of course thought that the comment was to strong.

What is becoming clear is the many of the talking heads that champagned for to brexit vote only did so for political expediency. They did not believe it would go through with the hope of winning the votes of disgruntled citizens when it did not turn their way. Now that the vote went their way. They have been completely silent or ineffectual.

When asked about their plan for the transition, they have no answers.

So in reality there was and is no plan.

Interesting times here.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Well-Prepared Witch on June 29, 2016, 02:53:37 PM
Yikes.  Watching the news out of Britain has been interesting and not a little scary.  It could easily happen here, too, with someone like Trump.  Let's hope more rational, less-hate-based heads prevail.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: JohnyMac on June 29, 2016, 05:06:09 PM
I know my comments WILL ruffle some feathers but what the heck.

At this point in time I am not voting for Mr. Trump nor Mrs. Clinton and I am concerned with a few positions that Mr. Johnson has. So in essence I am a man without a candidate.

Mr. Trump in my mind is a bit to Nationalistic and to be quite frank Progressive lite. (Yes I used the word lite so no grammar Nazis please). Based on many comments (Not some) he does not have a clear working understanding of the US Constitution and the accompanying Bill of Rights. For you 2A guys and gals, I think he would use the second Amendment as a bargaining chip and we would not be better off than if we voted for Clinton.

Mrs. Clinton, is very dishonest. I do not want to bore the reader as you know all of the baggage she brings to the campaign. The third rail for supporting her is quite simply the 2A and whom she nominate for the SCOTUS. Even with her colored past I would give her a second look but for those issues. Sorry folks and I do not wish to lecture however 99.99% of the legal gun owners in this country handle their tools with caution and respect.

Mr. Johnson seems (To me) that he is taking this run for the job as President lightly. He is also not solid on 2A.

Bottom-line, we are moving towards a recession that will be deep enough to call it a depression within the next 6-18 months. Whom ever is President, will be dealt a bad set of playing cards regardless; consequently,  I pray for any leader who is elected to that job.

Now with all of that trash written, we have four months to the election and anything can happen.  :dancingGrenade:

As a side note: I am thinking that many of the forum members could give a rats ass as to the politics in the USofA. Sorry folks for all of the space we are giving to that subject.

What is happening in your world is just as important as ours, so do not hesitate writing about that too.  All of the US folks on this forum can learn a bunch of what is going down in your neck of the woods.  :pirateThumbUp:




 
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Nemo on June 29, 2016, 07:06:09 PM
JM, gotta agree with you. 

Trump--  more ego than anything, lots of grand results in his head but no idea how to get there.

hiLIARy, as big a crook as Nixon but in a dress.

As far as the rest of it all, Get In, Sit Down, Shut Up, Hang On.

It going to be one helluva ride.

Nemo
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: JoJo on June 29, 2016, 09:22:17 PM
If you think your comments would ruffle feathers wait until you read mine.
 There is no way I would vote for HilLIARy, she stands for everything I’m against and against everything I am for.
 Now for the Donald. He is not for everything  I am for but he is against everything I am against.  I feel we need a Leader who will not be cowered by the press or  bigoted democrats calling him a raciest or some other phobia. The democrats are scared to death of him, he’s had dealings with a lot of them and know where they can be hurt.
 Yes he was a democrat at one time but so was Ronald Reagan. Reagan was also president of the screen actors guild union.
 He is against political correctness an if you look at my signature at the bottom of the page you well see that I am also.
  There never will be a candidate that is your perfect choice , you have to pick the one who you agree with most and disagree with least.
For me it’s the Donald but I sure wish it was Gingrich. Maybe he’ll be Vice President.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: JohnyMac on June 30, 2016, 06:23:18 AM
Gadget, thanks for your continued reporting from the other side of the pond  :pirateThumbUp:

My feeling has always been that the EU is the canary in the coal mine. What is going on over there is what will happen in the United States.

On another note: Has anybody noticed an increase of military hardware being moved around of late? I will start a new subject for this observation.

Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Grudgie on June 30, 2016, 10:53:55 PM
Ok.....

Time for another update.

Since the vote there has been a steep rise in nationalistic abuse aimed at anyone that is foreign and not white. This is a worrisome trend that has deep implications.

Nigel Farage of the UK Independence Party made a completely embarrassing speech in the EU Parliament

The two prime political parties are in absolute turmoil. I do not see this as showing a good future.

The country is split and While there is not fighting, it resembles the balkinisation fears of some.

I made the comment to a friend that it was interesting to be an observer to a nation that commits suicide. They of course thought that the comment was to strong.

What is becoming clear is the many of the talking heads that champagned for to brexit vote only did so for political expediency. They did not believe it would go through with the hope of winning the votes of disgruntled citizens when it did not turn their way. Now that the vote went their way. They have been completely silent or ineffectual.

When asked about their plan for the transition, they have no answers.

So in reality there was and is no plan.

Interesting times here.

Hello Gadget. As an Englishman, could you condense down and give me a few quick bullet points as to why you wanted Britian to remain in the EU?
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: gadget99 on July 01, 2016, 03:15:32 AM
Let me put the thoughts together and I will try and condense down my viewpoints on this so very complex subject.

Prior to that let me post a disclaimer though.

I was not against the idea of Brexit until recently. The closer we got to the vote I began to realise that those that were advocating the exit were not providing what would expected to show that there was a good plan on how it could be accomplished without damaging this country that I now call home.

Also please understand that I am reporting things as I see them here through a hit of a tinted lens. I am an old soldier so I view the would with a critical eye towards risk and danger. By no means take my viewpoints as whole Gospel. If there are alternate views please please voice them to temper my observations.

The UK does have the potential to maintain it's high position in the world if those in the leadership plan well and make good choices.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Well-Prepared Witch on July 01, 2016, 07:06:22 AM
The thing that worried me most about the Leavers was their extreme racism and actual use of Nazi propaganda techniques.  The surge in hate crimes since the vote is quite disturbing.  That and the extreme nationalism that leads to isolation and war.

It's the same jingoistic, racist talk that Trumpers use, as if because the blowhard says these awful, xenophobic things in public it's all of a sudden ok to be a bigot.  He's also advocating that same nationalistic "exceptionalism" bullcrap that has no basis in reality.  We're a big country with some sound principles in the Constitution, but that doesn't make us any more special as humans than those in, say, Canada, or South Africa, or Ecuador. We just have the luck of being born into different circumstances and a lot of wealth (as a country).

I severely distrust and dislike the Leave and Trump campaigns' use of supremacist language and their complete lack of care for facts or education.  Not to mention Leave's immediate 180* on the money going to the NHS, their unwillingness to trigger the process for leaving, and the chaos that is happening in the UK's government.  I mean, they're almost certain to lose Scotland now, and probably Northern Ireland, too, and who knows how that's going to affect them.  Trump has the same willingness to lie to rile up the populace that Farage and his ilk did/do.  (If anyone thinks that a wall on our southern border is ever going to be built, well, I have a bridge to sell them.)

I get that the EU is problematic.  I do.  If I thought this decision had been based on rational, thoughtful debate over the merits of membership in such a large trade union, over actual governance issues, well, I wouldn't have agreed with the decision, but it wouldn't concern me half so much.  But the fanaticism displayed by the Leavers and the Trumpers is distressing.

Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: gadget99 on July 01, 2016, 02:35:41 PM
Ok... I will give it a try on explaining why I have been critical of the Brexit vote.

Bad timing. The UK has come a long way in repairing the damage of the 2008 mess. Yet there was much work to be done yet.

The UK over successive administrations from the 70s to now has had its heart destroyed. The industrial powerhouse has been decimated.

The UK was in a very well engineered position where companies and industry could be based here to allow access to the EU market with benefits.

The UK was semi insulated from problems in the EU with tough negotiated concessions.

The whole champaign for leaving the EU was based upon half truths and some would say lies.

The UK currently relies upon imports to keep the power stations running.

If there had been a well planned strategy for going it alone. I would not view things as they are.

To make this work well.bthe UK government needs to spend massive amounts to bring the industries that have layed dormant for decades back online.

The UK should have done most of the prep work prior to taking the vote so it could negotiate from a position of strength.

I could fill a book on this subject. Yet am trying to condense it here.

Don't get me wrong. I am all for a nation standing on its own merits. Yet I am worried when a nation takes a choice like this based upon sound bites.

This is akin to what probably will happen in the states soon.

Hillary will be elected president because it is cool to have the first female as president.

Cheers dude.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: JohnyMac on July 02, 2016, 07:48:34 AM
@ Grudgie, just to clarify; Gadget is an American Expat solider NOT an "Englishman" who has chosen to retire in GB.  ;)

@ Wellie, I do not mind Nationalism as long as it is tempered and used for good. Some examples of Nationalism was the period following
     9/11 or the attack on Pearl Harbor. There are others of course like the period following the assassination of JFK, Bobbie and MLK.

     I am forming a new group - CAT! Constitutionalists Against Trump.  :troutSlap: Just remember we are ~four months
     away from the election. Anything can happen.

@ Gadget, "This is akin to what probably will happen in the states soon." Yupper  :thumbsUp:
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: sledge on July 02, 2016, 09:28:17 PM
I am forming a new group - CAT! Constitutionalists Against Trump.  :troutSlap:

In elections like this one, a simple truth is, if you are against one candidate, you are for the other candidate.  There is no way around that because either Hillary or Donald WILL BE the next president.  The options are:

1)Vote for a candidate.
2)Vote against a candidate.
3) To not vote.  (Option 3 is kind of deceiving.  Due to the fact that the Democrats start any national election with a lead due to the political alignments of each of the states, not voting is actually a vote for Hillary.  Just as the reason that we've had Obama for 8 years is due to those constitutionalists and conservatives who decided to not vote in elections he was running in.)

So those are your choices.  Once again the American experiment is going to be interesting to watch.  Personally, while I hope for the best, I expect to be living with a lot of unpleasantness in the next 4 to 8 years.       
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Well-Prepared Witch on July 03, 2016, 06:33:28 AM
Quote
Personally, while I hope for the best, I expect to be living with a lot of unpleasantness in the next 4 to 8 years.

Yep! I think that's true for us and the UK. Brexit has certainly caused its own brand of upheaval!
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: JohnyMac on July 03, 2016, 09:45:03 AM
@ Sledge: Another option is to vote but leave the Presidential portion of the ballot empty.  ;)
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: sledge on July 03, 2016, 11:46:57 AM
@ Sledge: Another option is to vote but leave the Presidential portion of the ballot empty.  ;)

JM,  Isn't that the same as number 3?  Just saying.   :)
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: JoJo on July 03, 2016, 02:29:17 PM
@ Sledge: Another option is to vote but leave the Presidential portion of the ballot empty.  ;)

JM,  Isn't that the same as number 3?  Just saying.   :)

 Yes your right Sledge. What people fail to realize is that your not voting for Trump your voting on the next three Supreme Court  Justices. If the Republicans lose it will be forty years before we will have a chance to get our freedom back. 
 The reasoning for saying forty years because that's how long it took to put a partial halt but not eliminate the raciest bigoted policy of affirmative action.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: special-k on July 03, 2016, 03:35:53 PM
...What people fail to realize is that your not voting for Trump your voting on the next three Supreme Court  Justices. If the Republicans lose it will be forty years before we will have a chance to get our freedom back...

Just remember, by sitting this one out, you're refusing to lift a finger to help prevent Horror Show Hillary from taking office for a 4 year minimum...where she will inevitably wave her broomstick and appoint what might as well be a life sentence of every sort of leftist judicial fuckery imaginable.

Very good point there JoJo.  I think you just convinced this politically cynical 40+ year old to register and vote (for Trump while holding my nose) for the first time in my life.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Nemo on July 03, 2016, 10:13:11 PM
vote (for Trump while holding my nose) for the first time in my life.

while leaning out of the booth and flipping the last lever with my 6 foot hiking stick.

Nemo
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: rah45 on July 04, 2016, 01:11:12 PM
The justices issue now has me perplexed. I'm going to stew over that problem for a while.

I've been pretty insistent on voting for Gary Johnson. He is NOT the Libertarian candidate I would have picked, but he is better than either Trump or Hillary IMHO, and if he is able to get 15% then the LP will, for the first time in U.S. history, be a reckoning force at the political negotiating table. I'm not sure that Trump is really that much different than Hillary. How many times has his previous views contrasted with his current ones? How many times have we seen pictures/video of him being extremely friendly and intimate with the Clintons and other politicians whose morals he claims to abhor and oppose? I fear that the conservative side will vote for Trump, and that if he is elected his promises will turn out to be worthless.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: rah45 on July 04, 2016, 01:12:05 PM
JoJo, as a Georgia resident, I'm going to tell you that Newt Gingrich is NOT a person you want to be Prez.

Gadget, thank you for all the info you're giving. It really paints a clearer picture for us.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: JohnyMac on July 04, 2016, 01:22:58 PM
I am not saying I will not vote for Trump on Nov. 8th, what I am saying is we have four months to see what happens. At anytime anything can happen. One example was when Bobbie Kennedy was assassinated, or President Johnson decided NOT to run for a second term, OR...

Still plenty of time to see what happens. 
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Nemo on July 04, 2016, 04:53:15 PM
Don't forget the October Surprise.  Terrorist attack or EMP or such and elections are postponed by obummer, Bill of Rights suspended, guns confiscated among other things.

Nemo
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: JohnyMac on July 04, 2016, 08:27:42 PM
Yupper Nemo.  :thumbsUp:
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: JoJo on July 04, 2016, 09:07:42 PM
Don't forget the October Surprise.  Terrorist attack or EMP or such and elections are postponed by obummer, Bill of Rights suspended, guns confiscated among other things.

Nemo

The one thing that scares me the most is our own super anointed terrorist.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Well-Prepared Witch on July 05, 2016, 11:37:46 AM
All due respect, but puh-lease. I thought Bush Jr would do the same and it never happened. It'd take more than one attack to suspend elections. Also, do you guys really want a Judge Omarosa? At least Hillary will go with normal people with actual skills. Drumpf will likely people the government with even bigger idiots than typically inhabit the political class.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: JoJo on July 05, 2016, 01:27:48 PM
All due respect, but puh-lease. I thought Bush Jr would do the same and it never happened. It'd take more than one attack to suspend elections. Also, do you guys really want a Judge Omarosa? At least Hillary will go with normal people with actual skills. Drumpf will likely people the government with even bigger idiots than typically inhabit the political class.

I want a Justice that understands the constitution as written and not an activist Justice that put their political bias first as Ginsburg, Kagan or Sotomayor  does on every decision.
Trump has shown that the Justices that he would chose meet these requirements.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Well-Prepared Witch on July 05, 2016, 01:40:07 PM
Riiiiiiiiiiiight, because Scalia was so unbiased and Thomas isn't funded by corporations.  You just don't like the bias of the liberal judges.  If that's the case, say so.  Don't pretend that the other justices are unbiased.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: JoJo on July 05, 2016, 03:00:43 PM
If believing in the constitution is biased then I want biased judges.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Well-Prepared Witch on July 05, 2016, 04:10:08 PM
You say Constitutional, I say corporate-owned bigots who ignore the Constitution to try to keep us i. The Dark Ages. Scalia and his ilk are no more Constitutionalists than my hat is.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Nemo on July 05, 2016, 05:46:06 PM
Then you have one mighty fine hat.

Nemo
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Well-Prepared Witch on July 05, 2016, 07:47:36 PM
(http://static.funnyshirts.org/images/design/a355bad84b2d986dbe0a8e934252db79_88592_0_big.jpg)
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: gadget99 on July 06, 2016, 03:48:42 AM
Just a short update.

All of the leaders of the different champagns on this vote have retired from the field of leadership. Except Michael Gove who is running to take over for David Cameron. Although it looks like he will not get enough support to to so.

In short. There is still no plan on how to exit the EU without disaster. All of the people that common sense would dictate should have a plan have quit.

Unbelievable. At a loss for words to describe the current situation really.

Cheers all.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: JohnyMac on July 06, 2016, 07:08:17 AM
Gadget, it sounds like things are in turmoil where you are. Chaos is reigning around the world and you happen to find yourself at the axis of this drama.

Gold is up $100- since Brexit and the Dow is very mercurial. 

Hang in their Gadget.  :thumbsUp:
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Well-Prepared Witch on July 06, 2016, 01:31:43 PM
I am astonished at the Brexit camp's de-camping so quickly.  I don't think they thought they'd win.  I bet they expected to be roundly defeated and then could use it as a bashing point about how it was so close and see how the system is rigged and yada yada.  Now they're running so fast that heads are spinning and, as per usual, it's the average citizen getting screwed.  Hope things calm down there soon!
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: gadget99 on July 06, 2016, 01:47:52 PM
Don't worry about us. We will be just fine.

With the fall in the £ my Army retirement payment was significantly larger this month and should be even more at the end of this month.

I love profiting from disasters.  :-)
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: JoJo on July 06, 2016, 06:57:59 PM
Don't worry about us. We will be just fine.

With the fall in the £ my Army retirement payment was significantly larger this month and should be even more at the end of this month.

I love profiting from disasters.  :-)

Shouldn't that be

Never let a good disaster go to waste or something to that effect. ALA Eric Holder
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Nemo on July 06, 2016, 07:35:39 PM
A bit of pre-planning and you could be like Trump.  Profit from bankruptcy and all that.

Nemo
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: rah45 on July 07, 2016, 12:22:12 AM
([url]http://static.funnyshirts.org/images/design/a355bad84b2d986dbe0a8e934252db79_88592_0_big.jpg[/url])


I'm not getting into this debate, except to say that I damn near fell out of my chair laughing at this hat.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Nemo on July 07, 2016, 08:01:27 PM
([url]http://static.funnyshirts.org/images/design/a355bad84b2d986dbe0a8e934252db79_88592_0_big.jpg[/url])


But that ain't it.

Nemo
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: crudos on July 08, 2016, 09:52:14 PM
You all know that there is an alternative to current criminals.... his name is Gary Johnson. Fuck the DNC and Fuck the GOP, vote Libertarian. This nation depends on it now more than ever before.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Well-Prepared Witch on July 09, 2016, 05:15:52 PM
You know Crudos, third party candidates are an intriguing idea. I'll go check out his platform.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: gadget99 on September 08, 2016, 01:25:41 PM
Hi all,

Thought I might do a quick update.

As I predicted the powers that be have still yet to provide any coherent plans about how to leave the EU.

The press is full of hyperbole and pie eyed speculations.

As I have said before I am pretty comfortable with the situation due to the exchange rate being in our favor. The last few months my US Army retirement and VA compensation have been worth about £250 more than they have been before.

I will keep everyone updated as things unfold.

Sent from my BV6000 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Nemo on September 08, 2016, 08:14:35 PM
So with that favorable to you exchange rate change has there been any effect on prices of food, gasoline and other necessities?  If gas is a necessity in GB.

Nemo
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Well-Prepared Witch on September 08, 2016, 10:14:45 PM
Thanks for the update!  Glad it's benefiting you right now. :) 
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: gadget99 on September 09, 2016, 02:45:34 AM
So with that favorable to you exchange rate change has there been any effect on prices of food, gasoline and other necessities?  If gas is a necessity in GB.

Nemo
There has been  small bit of inflation. Yet nothing significant yet.

I do predict that this will change at some point.

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Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: gadget99 on September 10, 2016, 09:38:10 AM
OK... so thought I might now do a more detailed report on the situation here in the UK.

Some points of note here.

1. The referendum was a vote of the populace. One person one vote.
2. 72% of the UK population voted (An unprecedented level of turnout)
3. Outcomes of the vote were polarized geographically (IE Scotland as a population voted to remain part of the EU)
4. Every Pro Leave the EU political talking head is no longer in a major position of power.

So here is the deal.

The vote is the vote. It is as it is.

What I find interesting is that none of the leaders that lead the "Leave the EU" campaign are in a position to influence the implementation. The vast majority just quit. Stating that they have accomplished what they wanted to do. Yet have not stuck around to do any of the planning or actions that are needed to implement the will of the people.

Sound a bit fishy anyone?

The official start of the process is for the UK Government to trigger Article 50 of the EU Treaty. This begins a two years process of negotiations for exit and the two year period cannot be extended.

I wish to note that the term negotiation is a bit of a misnomer. While the UK Government may wish to negotiate keeping the benefits of being part of the EU, it is in a position of weakness in this. To remain part of the EU common market, the UK Government would have to agree to keeping the prime items that people that wanted to leave were concerned with. A prime example is the freedom of movement provision. Thus no heightened control of borders.

The main stream media keeps publishing claims by political heads that now the UK can negotiate it's own trade relationships. They forget to mention that at present the UK has no current independent trade treaties with anyone. They are all through the EU.

First off. There is no way that these treaties can be made in a 24 month period.
Second, The UK has been a place where countries could base to allow easy access to the EU market. That will no longer be the case.

So in a nutshell.

Things are all up in the air and nobody knows what is going to happen.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Nemo on September 10, 2016, 11:17:36 AM
I strong think that even starting the 2 year calendar yesterday, the entire civilized world will be at the destination in the handbasket before that calendar runs out.

Nemo
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: gadget99 on September 11, 2016, 03:33:03 AM
Can't argue on that possibility at all myself.

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Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: JohnyMac on September 11, 2016, 07:51:11 AM
Any news/rumors that other EU countries leaving the EU? I know that Switzerland wants to go back to the Swiss Franc.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: gadget99 on September 11, 2016, 06:19:06 PM
All of the fervour about that has calmed down big time.

I very much doubt that any others will attempt to leave.

Mainly due to the reality that the EU is going to make the the UK exit so painful for the UK, that anyone else will want to second think tying it.

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Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Well-Prepared Witch on September 12, 2016, 08:20:23 AM
Agreed.  I think the EU is going to do everything they can to make an example of the UK for "daring" to leave the EU.  I also think that the UK is going to hem, haw, and stall as long as they can before actually leaving the EU.  Those who understand what this will do to the country are going to try to find any way they can around this, so I'm not surprised the process hasn't started yet.  You can bet their lawyers are combing the rule books right now.

As to the world going to hell in a handbasket before the UK leaves the EU, well, some days I think we're all fussing over business-as-usual crap, and then there are the days that I open up the news and say that it's time to bunker down right now.  *shrug*  Who knows? :coffeeNews:
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Nemo on September 22, 2016, 04:52:16 PM
Just keep up with the goings on and the bunker door open.

Nemo
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: gadget99 on October 17, 2016, 10:13:12 AM
Hi All,

Thought I would do a quick update. Gonna use bullet points on this one.

1. The £ keeps taking hits and I suspect it will continue stay low for a good long while. ( $1.22 to the £1.00)
2. Nissan has announced that it is putting a major expansion investment in it's UK Factories on hold until the terms of Brexit are known.
3. The current government are sticking with the line that they are going to uphold the will of the people to leave the EU.
4. The Prime Minister announced that the government intends to trigger the Article 50 clause that starts the two year exit process by April.
5. The UK talking heads are sticking to the position that they can negotiate the UK staying part of the EU common market.
6. The EU leadership are saying either the UK exits with little or no continued benefits, or stay in the EU.
7. The major banks have announced that they may be pulling their assets out of the UK and change HQ's to another EU nation.

So get the popcorn out.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Kbop on October 17, 2016, 02:16:16 PM
 :popcorn:

thanks for the update!

Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Well-Prepared Witch on October 17, 2016, 03:39:48 PM
Very interesting! Thanks for taking the time to come and update is on how this is going.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: gadget99 on November 07, 2016, 08:10:48 PM
Hi all,

Was going to give an update, yet find myself at a loss here.

This whole Brexit thing has spiralled into utter confusion.

There is no way to predict the impacts and direction on a day to day basis.

Will get back to you all when there is any news that shows a direction


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Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Nemo on November 09, 2016, 12:08:48 AM
So is the entire country or just the liberals over there starting to freak out or is everyone just keeping the stiff upper lip or ? ? ? ?

Nemo
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: gadget99 on November 09, 2016, 06:15:15 AM
Good question Nemo.

I do not really think anyone here has a grip on the situation. The for and against sides are still divided and sticking to the rehoteric. 

What has yet to appear is any semblance of middle ground, thoughtful planning or action.

This has kept the levels of uncertainty very high.



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Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: Well-Prepared Witch on November 09, 2016, 07:29:35 AM
Yeah, I think we're all going to be dealing with a lot of uncertainty in the next few months.  I was thinking of you when I heard how much the dollar fell.  Hopefully you don't get in the hole with the exchange rate.
Title: Re: Brexit vote - June 23/24
Post by: thedigininja on November 09, 2016, 09:23:40 AM
I should have bought more Bitcoins.