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Re: Cop overreacts with pepper spray
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2011, 12:53:32 AM »
Not only do I disagree I think they should get the business end of a good old stick of hard wood...not by police but by citizens tired of their bitching little hissy fit.

You say via PM " You know what I'm about "  with out giving me the dignity of a response.

Well, who's true colors show up now?
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Re: Cop overreacts with pepper spray
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2011, 01:50:55 AM »
Overlook me, but also others rights. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

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Re: Cop overreacts with pepper spray
« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2011, 01:58:58 AM »
Ya know what. Your right. Lets just drop it right here. As long as others see you for what you are I don't care. At least I'm honest with my self and everyone else 100% of the time.
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Re: Cop overreacts with pepper spray
« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2011, 02:25:38 AM »
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Re: Cop overreacts with pepper spray
« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2011, 02:43:28 AM »
 These are the same mother effers that spit on returning vets, the same a-holes that throw kids out of school for wearing American flag shirts on cinco de mayo, so yeah I have a bit of distain for communist turds, IDGAF is any of you guys like me for my opinion. If you aren't prepared to deal with a differing opinion on the internet then you will wig the hell out when the lights go off. you wanna go down and join the protests then have at it...I hope you like watery eyes and a bit of wheezing.

 Reaver pm's are pm's you want to drag that out in the open, I could do the same....but I won't because it was a private message. So from now on just pretend I'm not here and I'll do the same. Maybe someday when you aren't wet behind the ears you'll figure it out.

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Re: Cop overreacts with pepper spray
« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2011, 04:31:13 AM »
These are the same mother effers that spit on returning vets, the same a-holes that throw kids out of school for wearing American flag shirts on cinco de mayo, so yeah I have a bit of distain for communist turds, IDGAF is any of you guys like me for my opinion. If you aren't prepared to deal with a differing opinion on the internet then you will wig the hell out when the lights go off. you wanna go down and join the protests then have at it...I hope you like watery eyes and a bit of wheezing.

 Reaver pm's are pm's you want to drag that out in the open, I could do the same....but I won't because it was a private message. So from now on just pretend I'm not here and I'll do the same. Maybe someday when you aren't wet behind the ears you'll figure it out.

returning vets who are responsible for the death and mutilation of hundreds of thousands of women and children? vets who kill people who (in the case of Afghanistan, at least) for the most part, HAVE NEVER EVEN HEARD OF 9/11!!!!!! HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHY WE'RE OCCUPYING THEIR COUNTRY!!??

do YOU even have a clue why we're occupying those countries?!? will you fight back if a foreign force invades for an unjust reason? will you fight back if cops decide that YOU'RE some kind of threat? you know good and well that you're not. you're (supposedly) a freedom-loving American. so what will YOU do when you become a victim of this police state? will you LAUGH at yourself being brutalized the way you laugh at others whom you don't agree with?

boon, soldiers aren't exempt from the CONUS, and neither are cops, regardless WHO they're brutalizing or murdering. whether it's "dirty hippies" or red-blooded American Patriots. what difference does it make? If you have any respect whatsoever for the CONUS, then it shouldn't make a difference.
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Re: Cop overreacts with pepper spray
« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2011, 08:01:12 AM »
returning vets who are responsible for the death and mutilation of hundreds of thousands of women and children? vets who kill people who (in the case of Afghanistan, at least) for the most part, HAVE NEVER EVEN HEARD OF 9/11!!!!!! HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHY WE'RE OCCUPYING THEIR COUNTRY!!??

do YOU even have a clue why we're occupying those countries?!? will you fight back if a foreign force invades for an unjust reason? will you fight back if cops decide that YOU'RE some kind of threat? you know good and well that you're not. you're (supposedly) a freedom-loving American. so what will YOU do when you become a victim of this police state? will you LAUGH at yourself being brutalized the way you laugh at others whom you don't agree with?

boon, soldiers aren't exempt from the CONUS, and neither are cops, regardless WHO they're brutalizing or murdering. whether it's "dirty hippies" or red-blooded American Patriots. what difference does it make? If you have any respect whatsoever for the CONUS, then it shouldn't make a difference.

Ok, I was staying out of this until this point.  Where the f*ck do you get off attacking our soldiers like that?  Sure they are subject to the CONUS and I  guaran-damn-tee you most of our soldiers would rather NOT be over there in the first place!  And I'm sorry but while I agree with you that we do not need to be occupying ANY countries, whether they like it or not our soldiers must treat it like war.  Saying that they must abide by CONUS towards foreign people in their country (yea I know, but Ive already said we shouldn't be there anyway) is the same as reading them Miranda rights.

My whole point of this post is, if you don't like the war then spit on the guys that started it, the ones pulling the strings.  But you start talking bad about the troops in general (yea there are a few bad eggs) and you are stepping in a dangerous area.
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Re: Cop overreacts with pepper spray
« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2011, 09:59:14 AM »
Holy shit!  You guys are stubborn, stubborn, stubborn.  Neither of you can see that you are both right and both wrong.  You're both looking at narrow slices rather than a big picture.

Boone - Those people, scum bags or not, are American citizens whose rights to protest grievances are sworn to be protected by the military and the police.  Regardless of what those American citizens believe.  Regardless of if they believe something entirely contrary to what you believe.  Freedom of choice and freedom of belief is the basis of that piece of paper that so many have fought for and died for.  Even though they were spit upon at some points for it by Americans that think differently.  ( I've lived through one of those periods and my views on the rights of American citizens and my faith in the American people have not diminished.  Although, that faith has been severely tested at times.)  By  using force to stop American citizens from speaking their minds, regardless of how stupid they are, it is a shredding of the Constitution.

NOLA -  War is hell and people die. Whether the Afghanistan people know why we are there or not makes no difference whatsoever.  They allowed, tolerated or supported a Government that contributed to an attack on the people of the United States.  They are all guilty and ignorance is no excuse.

We should have gone in, leveled the place and it's people and left.  Leaving behind the message that if they are complicit in the American people being attacked again we will be back and do it again.  We have "no" responsibility to rebuild their country or take care of their people.

The same here.  We get the government that we tolerate and allow.  If we are forced to pay a price for that Government's idiocy.   We are at fault and have no right to complain about those things which we allowed.  American citizens across the political spectrum are unhappy with the actions of their Government and are speaking out.  The Tea Party and the Occupy Movement  are examples of this.  They are people offering different solutions to the same problem in an effort to fix the problem.  We'll see which solution is selected in the next election.

If the people of Afghanistan had sought to correct their Government we wouldn't have sent the soldiers we ask to kill people to their land.   

 
"returning vets who are responsible for the death and mutilation of hundreds of thousands of women and children? vets who kill people who (in the case of Afghanistan, at least) for the most part, HAVE NEVER EVEN HEARD OF 9/11!!!!!!"
 



Soldiers, well done!  You are doing what we sent you to do.  Sorry it's taking so long to bring you back home.
     
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Re: Cop overreacts with pepper spray
« Reply #33 on: November 21, 2011, 11:15:25 AM »
 Nola, your damn lucky you live across the country.  It's much nicer over there.

 I guess I'm a little more seasoned to the real world than a couple of you guys. To you guys that are still my friends I think I have you on FB.  Maybe in 10-20 years you'll get an idea that Your hero Alex Jones isn't so freakin smart and you'll think for yourself. I'm out, I'll put up with a lot of shit but disrespect for men that volunteer to protect you isn't one of them. I don't associate with anyone that disrespects my brothers.
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Re: Cop overreacts with pepper spray
« Reply #34 on: November 21, 2011, 11:24:46 AM »
Nola, your damn lucky you live across the country. I think you've just about done exactly the same as spit on American service men and women. Foxtrot Oscar.

 I guess I'm a little more seasoned to the real world than a couple of you children. To you guys that are still my friends I think I have you on FB. To you pissy pants little boys, Maybe in 10-20 years you'll get an idea that Your hero Alex Jones isn't so freakin smart and you'll think for yourself. I'm out, I'll put up with a lot of shit but disrespect for men that volunteer to protect you isn't one of them. I don't associate with anyone that disrespects my brothers.

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Re: Cop overreacts with pepper spray
« Reply #35 on: November 21, 2011, 11:34:04 AM »
Nola, your damn lucky you live across the country. I think you've just about done exactly the same as spit on American service men and women. Foxtrot Oscar.

 I guess I'm a little more seasoned to the real world than a couple of you guys. To you guys that are still my friends I think I have you on FB. To you pissy pants little boys, Maybe in 10-20 years you'll get an idea that Your hero Alex Jones isn't so freakin smart and you'll think for yourself. I'm out, I'll put up with a lot of shit but disrespect for men that volunteer to protect you isn't one of them. I don't associate with anyone that disrespects my brothers.

I've been over there, I don't feel disrespected by what nola said at all. Because he's right. I also don't care if they spit on me or actually do disrespect me. Do you know why? BECAUSE IT'S THEIR RIGHT!

And I didn't say anything in PM's that I don't regret. Your a nice guy. < ( Thank you sledge- That is in fact what I meant )  (You welcome,  I thought it was what you meant.)  :))

Subject- look guys your opinion on how these guys protest what ever they do. Does not matter. They have the right, as long as they are doing it peacefully that right shall not be fucked with. And yes spitting doesn't sound peaceful. But its not a physical attack. Yes, its disrespectful. But they can do it. And I will always protect that right even if I disagree with their opinion.
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Re: Cop overreacts with pepper spray
« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2011, 12:26:11 PM »
I have lurked in the background as several of you have gone at it. Bottom-line I agreed with many points made on both sides and disagreed with many too.

As usual I think Sledge has hit the preverbial nail on the head- Good job.

Boone I hate to see you go in fact I hate to see anybody leave in anger (except maybe Gar- Before your time Boone) because we can all learn from each other- Good or bad. 

With that said, Reaver just a clairfication to your spitting comment, "And yes spitting doesn't sound peaceful. But its not a physical attack. Yes, its disrespectful. But they can do it": Spitting is now classified as an assult because of HIV and STD's. Does that give a LEO the right to pepper spray someone? I do not know but it is justification for an arrest.
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Re: Cop overreacts with pepper spray
« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2011, 03:58:20 PM »
returning vets who are responsible for the death and mutilation of hundreds of thousands of women and children? vets who kill people who (in the case of Afghanistan, at least) for the most part, HAVE NEVER EVEN HEARD OF 9/11!!!!!! HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHY WE'RE OCCUPYING THEIR COUNTRY!!??

do YOU even have a clue why we're occupying those countries?!? will you fight back if a foreign force invades for an unjust reason? will you fight back if cops decide that YOU'RE some kind of threat? you know good and well that you're not. you're (supposedly) a freedom-loving American. so what will YOU do when you become a victim of this police state? will you LAUGH at yourself being brutalized the way you laugh at others whom you don't agree with?

boon, soldiers aren't exempt from the CONUS, and neither are cops, regardless WHO they're brutalizing or murdering. whether it's "dirty hippies" or red-blooded American Patriots. what difference does it make? If you have any respect whatsoever for the CONUS, then it shouldn't make a difference.


Ok, I was staying out of this until this point.  Where the f*ck do you get off attacking our soldiers like that?  Sure they are subject to the CONUS and I  guaran-damn-tee you most of our soldiers would rather NOT be over there in the first place!  And I'm sorry but while I agree with you that we do not need to be occupying ANY countries, whether they like it or not our soldiers must treat it like war.  Saying that they must abide by CONUS towards foreign people in their country (yea I know, but Ive already said we shouldn't be there anyway) is the same as reading them Miranda rights.

My whole point of this post is, if you don't like the war then spit on the guys that started it, the ones pulling the strings.  But you start talking bad about the troops in general (yea there are a few bad eggs) and you are stepping in a dangerous area.


OONW, I wasn't condoning the POS's that spit on returning vets. Whether I agree with the wars or not, I wasn't attacking them personally, although in my heated response I can see how it could be taken that way. I think it's disgusting to think about people treating our vets that way, and I was in no way supporting those types of people. as a matter of fact, I've discussed this exact topic with TG via phone conversation in the recent past. If anyone on this board can vouch for me that I DON'T feel that way about the troops themselves, it would be him, because he's heard the words come out of my mouth in a candid conversation. I wasn't bashing the troops, I was responding to this blind patriotism I see on display over and over again.

this sums up how I feel pretty good:
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that being said, the only reason why the troops came into the mix in the first place was:
These are the same mother effers that spit on returning vets, the same a-holes that throw kids out of school for wearing American flag shirts on cinco de mayo,


what I said was short-sighted and inflammatory and I apologize for that but certain things just burn my ass.
some guys want to preach the constitution, but then laugh as they watch others have their rights trampled. Some people believe in "exceptionalism" just for being lucky enough to be born within the borders of a certain country. and those same people tend to have little or no respect for human life as long as it's people in some 3rd world country halfway across the world. and while I don't blame the troops themselves, and I'd like to kick in the teeth of someone who would do something so vile as to spit on returning vets, how many people here are ok with the whole "I'm just doing my job" argument? If the situation in this country ever becomes so grim where they're treating Americans the way they treat people in the countries that we're occupying, will you accept "don't blame me, I'm just following orders" as a viable answer?

again, I apologize for giving such a heated response, but people who only champion their own constitutional rights while laughing at others and they lose theirs.. just rubs me the wrong way. (btw, I'm not suggesting that people in other countries are entitled to the rights of the CONUS, but use some common sense, man. when you've got a constant stream of photos and videos of little kids in other countries with half their heads blown off, somethings fucking wrong!)

War is hell and people die. Whether the Afghanistan people know why we are there or not makes no difference whatsoever.  They allowed, tolerated or supported a Government that contributed to an attack on the people of the United States.  They are all guilty and ignorance is no excuse.


so by this logic, let's say some fringe group based here in the U.S. decides to go blow up some buildings in some other country that they have a grievance with, does that give that country the right to come and "level the entire U.S." because we allowed such a group to exist? again, I think so many good-hearted people fall into this trap of not caring about people halfway across the world and use the excuse "war is hell and people die". but when you flip the script and imagine the same exact thing happening here, to us... well it's usually a different sentiment all together. you start seeing drones dropping bombs on suburban neighborhoods, killing innocent men, women, and children, here in the U.S., you'd be so filled with rage and hatred for the people who were doing this to you. all I'm asking is the people just think, for just a second, about how you'd feel about another country doing the same exact thing to us.
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Re: Cop overreacts with pepper spray
« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2011, 04:33:50 PM »
NOLA said-  "when you've got a constant stream of photos and videos of little kids in other countries with half their heads blown off, somethings fucking wrong!"

NOLA, it's one of the ugly facts of war, but that is exactly what war is.  It's ugly.  One people set against another.  Not just the militaries, the entire populations are enemies.  It has always been that way. 

We carpet bombed Germany.  We carpet bombed Japan and then dropped two nukes on them.  We killed men, women, children, dogs, cats, and birds.  We killed until they were totally defeated and submissive.  That is war.

We started out at war in Afghanistan and Iraq.  Then we changed to more of a police action with adverse rules of engagement to satisfy the the people at home who have no idea of what war is and no stomach for it.  Police actions never go well and always drag out into years because the enemy isn't totally defeated to the point where they are submissive.

I'm concerned that our financial problems are going to weaken us in the years ahead and the American people will come to learn what war is.  World peace is a pipe dream do to man's nature.  There will always be people looking to dominate other people and enforce their will upon them.  There will always be war and sooner or later it will come to our shores.     






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Re: Cop overreacts with pepper spray
« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2011, 04:44:53 PM »
well sledge, I applaud you for always keeping a cool head about these things, and most times being the voice of reason. but I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I know that "world peace" is a pipe dream. you're 100% correct on that. but I just can't accept that it has to be as bad as it currently is.

you also said that it's one country vs. another. the entire population of that country. no no no. it's one ruling class vs. another ruling class, the only people that lose is the people who have nothing to do with it. did you watch the video that I embedded in my last post? you don't have to like Kokesh (lots of people don't) but I think that vid sums up the point that governments go to war, and dupe their people into supporting it.
anyway, thanks again for always keeping a cool head with these things.
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Re: Cop overreacts with pepper spray
« Reply #40 on: November 21, 2011, 05:01:45 PM »
Yeah man, we can disagree without going to war.   :)  What either of us thinks isn't going to affect the future one iota.  I will say that the reason governments are able to go to war is because their populations, whether duped or not, allow them to stay in power and do what they do.  So all wars are in effect the people of the warring countries fault.

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« Reply #41 on: November 21, 2011, 06:17:48 PM »
I have lurked in the background as several of you have gone at it. Bottom-line I agreed with many points made on both sides and disagreed with many too.

As usual I think Sledge has hit the preverbial nail on the head- Good job.

Boone I hate to see you go in fact I hate to see anybody leave in anger (except maybe Gar- Before your time Boone) because we can all learn from each other- Good or bad. 

With that said, Reaver just a clairfication to your spitting comment, "And yes spitting doesn't sound peaceful. But its not a physical attack. Yes, its disrespectful. But they can do it": Spitting is now classified as an assult because of HIV and STD's. Does that give a LEO the right to pepper spray someone? I do not know but it is justification for an arrest.

I did not know this. Regardless there is a couple of things I would like to note.

ROE  ( Rules of Engagement )
EOF  ( Escalation of Force )

There are rules set prior to any engagement on what can or cannot be done. ( ROE )
If someone engages me with a handgun I cannot engage him with an A-10 airstrike ( EOF )



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« Reply #42 on: November 21, 2011, 06:43:41 PM »
Could someone please explain to me why my mods are failing to lead by example?

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« Reply #43 on: November 21, 2011, 09:14:20 PM »
Uh oh, daddy's home lol

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« Reply #44 on: November 21, 2011, 09:48:03 PM »
Could someone please explain to me why my mods are failing to lead by example?
Uh oh, daddy's home lol

Yeah, right?  I've always hated questions like that.  Anything you say to answer them is going to be wrong.

You weren't supposed to be back until Friday.

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« Reply #45 on: November 22, 2011, 01:06:04 AM »
I finally took the time to read this thread word for word and wow!

Nola you need to keep your cool bro, your temper gets in the way of your brain. I know you wouldn't stand by if you saw someone spit on a vet.

Sledge, keep up the good work. I love the edits!

Mountain, I like that you tried to douse the flames.

Boone,
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I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
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I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
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I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me,
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I hate to say it because I could not disagree with a movement any more than I disagree with this OWS crap. Nola will tell you that I have advocated going down there personally and busting some fucking heads but guys this effects us all.

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« Reply #46 on: November 22, 2011, 02:08:53 PM »
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