ATK Secures .40 Caliber Ammunition Contract with Department of Homeland Security

[sledge]

A one year contract (4 option years) for 450 million rounds?  Are you kidding me?  Are they expecting a Chinese invasion or something?  If not, that tells me DHS agents can't shoot for shit.


PRESS RELEASE
March 12, 2012, 8:30 a.m. EDT
ATK Secures .40 Caliber Ammunition Contract with Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (DHS, ICE)

ATK Wins Five-Year, Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity Contract for .40 Caliber Ammunition from DHS, ICE --Additional .40 Caliber Ammunition Contract with 450 Million Round Potential Demonstrates ATK's Leadership in Ammunition Manufacturing

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/atk-secures-40-caliber-ammunition-contract-with-department-of-homeland-security-us-immigration-and-customs-enforcement-dhs-ice-2012-03-12?reflink=MW_news_stmp

[Outonowhere]

or someone anticipates hundreds of millions of head that will need airing... 

[NOLA556]

you know what would really be an awesome number to get our hands on.... if there was somehow a way to solicit all the major ammo manufacturers for their recent sales data to the civilian market.

[sledge]

you know what would really be an awesome number to get our hands on.... if there was somehow a way to solicit all the major ammo manufacturers for their recent sales data to the civilian market.

What do you want to bet that DHS has thought of that as well.  After all, there aren't too many people in the country who aren't suspected potential terrorists according to the DHS warning lists of suspicious activity.   

[Veritas]

Hell, they probably sold more than that at the last gun show I went to.

[NOLA556]

Hell, they probably sold more than that at the last gun show I went to.

  my point exactly.

[UnBroken]

450 million... When you think about training and all the agents in places we don't know about. That's not alot.

Then again thats on top. ofwhat they already have

[EJR914]

Maybe I'm just ignorant, but that seems like A LOT OF ROUNDS TO ME!

Have you seen this?!?!?! 

Katyn forest massacre (卡廷森林大屠杀)

[NOLA556]

Maybe I'm just ignorant, but that seems like A LOT OF ROUNDS TO ME!

Have you seen this?!?!?!  Katyn forest massacre (卡廷森林大屠杀)

ejr i understand your point but think of it this way. how many rounds do you blow off on an average range trip? now, whatever that number may be, consider the fact that you're operating under your own personal budget. I'd imagine financial constraints limit how much you practice. (it sure as hell limits me!)

now think about a virtually endless budget, and how much you'd practice if you had an endless budget.

this is the main reason that this 450mil rds doesn't spook me too much.

[mountainredneck2051]

i'm shooting 500rds a week through my handgun

now how many folks are there in the DHS?
figure that many and all the ammo they need to carry/train with and you got a pretty small amount of ammo there

[sledge]

i'm shooting 500rds a week through my handgun

now how many folks are there in the DHS?
figure that many and all the ammo they need to carry/train with and you got a pretty small amount of ammo there

"The Department of Homeland Security has a vital mission: to secure the nation from the many threats we face. This requires the dedication of more than 240,000 employees in jobs that range from aviation and border security to emergency response, from cybersecurity analyst to chemical facility inspector. Our duties are wide-ranging, but our goal is clear - keeping America safe."

http://www.dhs.gov/xabout/

[sledge]

Maybe I'm just ignorant, but that seems like A LOT OF ROUNDS TO ME!

Have you seen this?!?!?!  Katyn forest massacre (卡廷森林大屠杀)

ejr i understand your point but think of it this way. how many rounds do you blow off on an average range trip? now, whatever that number may be, consider the fact that you're operating under your own personal budget. I'd imagine financial constraints limit how much you practice. (it sure as hell limits me!)

now think about a virtually endless budget, and how much you'd practice if you had an endless budget.

this is the main reason that this 450mil rds doesn't spook me too much.

"The special hollow point effectively passes through a variety of barriers and holds its jacket in the toughest conditions. HST is engineered for 100-percent weight retention, limits collateral damage, and avoids over-penetration."

So this is what they practice with?  Makes you wonder how bad ass the rounds they use in the field are.   

[mountainredneck2051]

so with over 240,000 people thats only 1875rds per person

not much

[NOLA556]

Maybe I'm just ignorant, but that seems like A LOT OF ROUNDS TO ME!

Have you seen this?!?!?!  Katyn forest massacre (卡廷森林大屠杀)

ejr i understand your point but think of it this way. how many rounds do you blow off on an average range trip? now, whatever that number may be, consider the fact that you're operating under your own personal budget. I'd imagine financial constraints limit how much you practice. (it sure as hell limits me!)

now think about a virtually endless budget, and how much you'd practice if you had an endless budget.

this is the main reason that this 450mil rds doesn't spook me too much.

"The special hollow point effectively passes through a variety of barriers and holds its jacket in the toughest conditions. HST is engineered for 100-percent weight retention, limits collateral damage, and avoids over-penetration."

So this is what they practice with?  Makes you wonder how bad ass the rounds they use in the field are.

hmm... ok, point taken.

now, .40S&W.... that's what this shoots right? 



wait... no...   

lol.. sry for the sarcasm sledge.

[sledge]

That's kind of my point NOLA.  Why do they need that many pistol rounds?  I wonder how much .223 they have ordered if they are ordering that much in .40 cal.

Mountain I doubt anywhere near 240,000 DHS employees are armed.


At any rate guys.  I'm glad they are keeping America safe from whoever it is that is threatening America. 

[Kentactic]

well i dont know how many thousands of agents are in Home Land Security but those guys do shoot atleast a thousand rounds a year for quals every three months. plus any agent can go to one of their ranges and shoot as much as they want for free. 450 million rounds isnt really all that much.

[JohnyMac]

MP 5 sub machine gun (10mm / .40) is the favorites of the Feds.

Also, read up on the Katyn Forest Massacre. Kind of scary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

[mountainredneck2051]

MP 5 sub machine gun is the favorites of the Feds.

until the kriss catches on that is

[Outonowhere]

MP 5 sub machine gun (10mm)  / .40) is the favorites of the Feds.

Also, red up on the Katyn Forest Massacre. Kind of scary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

Wait, they make the MP5 in .40 too?  Damn, and here I thought it was still just 9mm...

Just looked.  Cool.

FBI has about 1,400 of these MP5s (10mm) in inventory, but aside from them, the 10mm MP5 has been eclipsed by the sale of the much more popular MP5/40

http://www.hkpro.com/index.php?Itemid=5&catid=9:the-submachine-guns&id=90:mp510-a-40-series&option=com_content&view=article

[EJR914]

Ok, well how many hollow point rounds would start to worry you?

God, I wish I was so rich, I could use hollow point rounds just to go to the fucking range.   [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

[NOLA556]

Ok, well how many hollow point rounds would start to worry you?

God, I wish I was so rich, I could use hollow point rounds just to go to the fucking range.   [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

i think that was sledge's point. these aren't for training purposes. even the fed gov isn't that blatantly dumb.

it still doesn't spook me too much, but it is at least a little unnerving. I'd feel better if it was 450Mil cheap FMJs.

[mountainredneck2051]

the popo trains with their carry ammo guys

if they carry goldots they train with them aswell

[Outonowhere]

the popo trains with their carry ammo guys

if they carry goldots they train with them aswell

Maybe the Feds do, but none of the local PDs here do.

[EJR914]

Ok, well how many hollow point rounds would start to worry you?

God, I wish I was so rich, I could use hollow point rounds just to go to the fucking range.   [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

i think that was sledge's point. these aren't for training purposes. even the fed gov isn't that blatantly dumb.

it still doesn't spook me too much, but it is at least a little unnerving. I'd feel better if it was 450Mil cheap FMJs.

I would too.  If government employees train with the most expensive ammo, the one they carry, well that's just ANOTHER case of massive gov't waste.  There is no reason to shoot more than a mag or your carry ammo, but if you're going to train a lot, why not train with the cheaper ammo, you know, because its our money, and not their money they are wasting. 

[sledge]

Another Article on the subject of the 450 million rounds ordered by DHS dated April 22.  They just keep coming.  I found this one interesting because it includes testimony by Maj. Gen. Buford C. Blount III that in 2004 the amount of ammunition expended in Iraq was 5.5 million rounds per month.

http://www.naturalnews.com/035649_DHS_ammunition_domestic_war.html