Thomas Paine Returns

[CrystalHunter1989]

The Point of No Return.mov

[rah45]

Good post, Crystal. I didn't realize that he had posted another video.  [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co

[Outonowhere]

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[RS762]

Bloodless civil war?
Tell that to the people murdered by Police, FBI, CIA, DEA, ATF, etc, etc.


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[rah45]

Bloodless civil war?
Tell that to the tens of thousands murdered by Police, FBI, CIA, DEA, ATF, etc, etc.

I'm not saying I have evidence to contradict that statement, but do you have evidence to support it? Pretty high number to claim.

[RS762]

Bloodless civil war?
Tell that to the tens of thousands murdered by Police, FBI, CIA, DEA, ATF, etc, etc.

I'm not saying I have evidence to contradict that statement, but do you have evidence to support it? Pretty high number to claim.

Nope.
But it would in no way surprise me.

How many people are in federal prison?
How many people have been killed in needless police, fbi, dea, and atf raids?
How may columbians, panamanians, mexicans, and nicaraguans have been killed by the DEA and CIA?

Hell if i know, all i know is it's probably alot.

[rah45]

Bloodless civil war?
Tell that to the tens of thousands murdered by Police, FBI, CIA, DEA, ATF, etc, etc.

I'm not saying I have evidence to contradict that statement, but do you have evidence to support it? Pretty high number to claim.

Nope.
But it would in no way surprise me.

How many people are in federal prison?
How many people have been killed in needless police, fbi, dea, and atf raids?
How may columbians, panamanians, mexicans, and nicaraguans have been killed by the DEA and CIA?

Hell if i know, all i know is it's probably alot.

Okay, while I agree with the overall opinion you gave, please do not list figures in that manner without the ability to provide some legitimate proof (documentation, study, whatever) as evidence.

4.  Intentionally providing false or misleading information as fact will not be tolerated.

You can see this rule in the official rules and regulations thread in the Code of Conduct forum. I'll edit your post to reflect the accuracy of your opinion. If you do not like the editing, PM me and I will erase that and these posts. Thank you! 

[special-k]

I think you're getting a little nit-picky there Rah.  It is common knowledge that many times many have been killed by the fore mentioned gov. agents.   

PM sent.   

[EJR914]

They've killed a lot.  Makes you wonder who if anyone would keep stats on that.  I bet you the FBI doesn't keep stats on how many people government officials have killed, and if they did, you know the real numbers would be ridiculously low, because they would have all these certain criteria that it must meet.

Still, it would be interesting to know.

The Mexican government is saying that 34,000 have died in their war with the cartels.  Those are just the Mexicans, not Americans. 

I'm guessing our number would probably be less than that.

How many have died in Mexico's drug war?

The last figure released by the Mexican government on the number of dead during its 4 1/2-year, military-led crackdown on organized crime came in January, at just over 34,000. It covered the period from the start of the drug war in December 2006 until the end of 2010.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2011/06/mexico-war-dead-update-figures-40000.html

[rah45]

I think you're getting a little nit-picky there Rah.  It is common knowledge that many times many have been killed by the fore mentioned gov. agents.   

PM sent.

I see your point, but I disagree.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fact

1.
something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
2.
something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
3.
a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.
4.
something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.

The actions taken by those American government agencies (he did not list international agencies), as described by RS, are facts. What was in question were the "tens of thousands." That's a pretty substantial number, considering only American agencies were listed. "Many times many" is very vague, and if he had just said "many people" there would have been no issue. "Tens of thousands" is a number and implies factual evidence to support it. Such a statement made without some kind of evidence upon request is forbidden by the forum rules, as I quoted. I might not have said anything about "thousands," as that is quite conceivable, but "tens of thousands" is very different and does require something to substantiate it (however broad that "evidence" may be).

[special-k]

The actions taken by those American government agencies (he did not list international agencies), as described by RS, are facts. What was in question were the "tens of thousands." That's a pretty substantial number, considering only American agencies were listed. "Many times many" is very vague, and if he had just said "many people" there would have been no issue. "Tens of thousands" is a number and implies factual evidence to support it. Such a statement made without some kind of evidence upon request is forbidden by the forum rules, as I quoted. I might not have said anything about "thousands," as that is quite conceivable, but "tens of thousands" is very different and does require something to substantiate it (however broad that "evidence" may be).

Like I said the first time, nit-picky.

I consider "tens of thousands" to be completely within the realm of conceivability.

@RS:  In order to make Rah happy, use the qualifier "IMO" in front of "tens of thousands" next time.

[EJR914]

Well if you want to talk about our current government, who initiated undo force on the CSA, 600,000 died on either side. 

They could have just not invaded us, but done some pretty harsh economic things to us, to force us back into the Union and eventually, slavery would have ended as it was replaced by the Industrial Revolution, and I would have hoped that reason and true freedom and liberty would have prevailed as well in the minds of the White Oppressors. It would have surely taken a lot longer, but you get my point.

So there you go, our current government, the United States of America initiated an invasion that killed 600,000 people.  There is your "tens of thousands" right there.  Easy enough.  LOL  Of course I'm only half kidding.