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Offline pkveazey

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Shopping
« on: October 06, 2021, 05:54:59 PM »
The wife and I went shopping today for a few extra supplies. Take your pick: trying to beat inflation to the punch, trying to beat the unavailable train, making sure we have enough to last, Blah, Blah, Blah, for whatever reason. Anyway we dropped $1,200.00 in less than 3 hours. :facepalm: I know one thing...... I've got enough smokes for quite a while. :cowboy: While I was in town I stopped by the Credit Union and paid off my credit card again. I've got a couple of orders still to come in and that will crank it back up to about $100. I can handle that when next months bill shows up. I've noticed that not knowing exactly what will be coming and how bad it can be is a bit hard on the nerves. :hiding:

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Re: Shopping
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2021, 06:45:37 PM »
The wife and I went shopping today for a few extra supplies. Take your pick: trying to beat inflation to the punch, trying to beat the unavailable train, making sure we have enough to last, Blah, Blah, Blah, for whatever reason. Anyway we dropped $1,200.00 in less than 3 hours. :facepalm: I know one thing...... I've got enough smokes for quite a while. :cowboy: While I was in town I stopped by the Credit Union and paid off my credit card again. I've got a couple of orders still to come in and that will crank it back up to about $100. I can handle that when next months bill shows up. I've noticed that not knowing exactly what will be coming and how bad it can be is a bit hard on the nerves. :hiding:

Add into the mix not knowing about your future under normal circumstances and the stress level goes through the roof.
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Re: Shopping
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2021, 07:41:55 PM »
I hear ya' gents.

We are ready...Well you are never ready BUT we are closer for sure to nirvana.

It looks like I may have to cut a few trees down to get 100% use from our solar panels. I have been on the phone with a midnitesolar.com a bunch over the last couple of days tweaking our new system. These guys and gals are awesome and VERY knowledgeable. By the way, the guy who I have been dealing with is a follower of UP and AP. Too Cool.

Currently, we are only running one freezer on the system. Two more freezers and then the main fridge going on the system next. One step at a time I guess.

Taking the look of the glass is half full, holy crap, I am learning a shiton (Accounting term) about solar. It is great when the sun is out but sucks when the sun ain't out.  :facepalm: Stay tuned. 

PS: Our electric bill runs around $88 on the average a month. My bill for last month was $65-. With that saving's I will be able to pay off the solar system in about 35-years  :facepalm: LOL!!!!
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Re: Shopping
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2021, 08:27:25 AM »
PS: Our electric bill runs around $88 on the average a month. My bill for last month was $65-. With that saving's I will be able to pay off the solar system in about 35-years  :facepalm: LOL!!!!

Things go to hellenback as most of us think they will, make payments through March or so and you are good.

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Re: Shopping
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2021, 10:45:18 AM »
I hear ya' gents.

We are ready...Well you are never ready BUT we are closer for sure to nirvana.

It looks like I may have to cut a few trees down to get 100% use from our solar panels. I have been on the phone with a midnitesolar.com a bunch over the last couple of days tweaking our new system. These guys and gals are awesome and VERY knowledgeable. By the way, the guy who I have been dealing with is a follower of UP and AP. Too Cool.

Currently, we are only running one freezer on the system. Two more freezers and then the main fridge going on the system next. One step at a time I guess.

Taking the look of the glass is half full, holy crap, I am learning a shiton (Accounting term) about solar. It is great when the sun is out but sucks when the sun ain't out.  :facepalm: Stay tuned. 

PS: Our electric bill runs around $88 on the average a month. My bill for last month was $65-. With that saving's I will be able to pay off the solar system in about 35-years  :facepalm: LOL!!!!

In many areas you can get the solar panels for free because you sign over the rebates to the installer. I dont know if the feds/states are offering the rebates any longer.

Either way, when the SHTF and others are paying for electric, you will not be paying for electric
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Re: Shopping
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2021, 11:50:30 AM »
Something to think about...

Okay, we spent in total about $9K for the system. Pricy for sure.

A Generac 10kwh generator would have been about $6K installed. Using 2-3 gallons of propane an hour and using the lower amount; that means 48-gallons of propane a day. 336- gallons a week. At ~$3.00 a gallon for propane that would be $1K a week IF we could get the propane company to deliver weekly.

IF the sun shines, we will be able to run three freezers and 2-refrigerators plus a few LED lights for no money. Our current water system and hot water Riannai instant water, run off another panel hooked to 2, 12-volt deep cycle batteries. If the sun does not shine, I can hook the system up to a generator and bring the batteries back up to full voltage in about an hour. Our generator runs on about a quart per hour of petrol.

Bottom-line, a lot of money up front but will payoff when the grid goes down.

You may ask yourself why all the freezers? Mainly for protein.

Instead of the solar system we could have purchased a freeze dryer for ~$3k. That is a very viable option for protein and other food supply items. With that written, where will you be when the electric goes out? That cool piece of machinery, and I may still buy one too as I have juice now, in essence is a boat anchor.

 
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Re: Shopping
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2021, 02:02:57 PM »
When I started thinking about SOLAR, I never gave any thought to saving money on Electricity. My whole notion was when there is no Electricity, I will have Electricity. My Gasoline Generator will do 8000 Watts continuous and uses one tank per 12 hours and runs just about everything in the house. It is about 20 years old and is kept inside a shed so it still looks and works like new but we all know that it will quit at the worse possible time. I got the 5000 watt Solar System as a backup for the generator in case I can't get Gas or if it craps out. I have one Refrigerator and one Freezer but I don't get very concerned about their Electrical Consumption. The heaviest draw is on startup and then drops during run time. Then they shut down until the thermostat turns them back on again. Then, there's the old trick about keeping them as full as possible so the contents keep the inside cold when the power is off. My position on people control is for the Government to shut down the Electrical Grid. The Sheeple will be begging them to turn the power back on and be willing to yield to any demands. This is what I will be doing,  :pissed:  :popcorn:. My friend who was going to come over and help me set it up got COVID and is doing OK but he is still very weak. I'll have to wait until he feels fully recovered before I mount the panels, Charge Controller, Batteries, and the 220 volt Inverter.
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Re: Shopping
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2021, 05:30:28 PM »
It baffles me, the tension between "cost" and "payback" where solar install is concerned...
_WHY_ don't people consider that when a grid fails there will be NO more fuel deliverieis for their generators?

My significant other is hung up on the "debt" part of solar install.
I am hung up on the limits of fuel stored onsite, it's replenishment and the breakdown of a fossil-fuel machine that would pull water up from hundreds of feet below ground.
Pumping water = life.
No pumping water = death.
As equations go, why the widespread confusion?

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Re: Shopping
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2021, 06:56:32 PM »
   We've never considered the payback on any of our solar systems.  I've always considered the solar electric system as a necessity, so cost doesn't factor into our calculations.  We need electricity to power force multipliers, which increases our likelihood of survival.  Looks like we'll be adding on to our system soon, as we keep adding freezers.

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Re: Shopping
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2021, 08:33:25 AM »
We sized our solar to only provide power to the wood furnace blower and some small electronics and lights. We have a tiny but efficient Japanese refrigerator that runs on 220v, we could use up 90% of the food in it over a day or two, anything left would go into the propane camper fridge until it was used. I made the decision to not have a large freezer, we can and dehydrate everything instead. I didn't want to have all my meat get ruined if the power got cut for any reason, also because I really love canned meats. Plus it's just more convenient to dump out a jar and heat it up, rather than having to defrost things first. And I don't keep my solar out all the time, I have a line power charger/maintainer that keeps the batteries topped off, if the power were to go out for more than 24 hours, I'd take the panels out and mount them on their rack. Our inverter is only sized to run the blower and some small chargers, I want to be able to run as much as possible direct off the batteries, which is much more efficient. Working on getting other ways to generate power, probably going to print a few small wind turbines this winter. I've also looked at thermoelectric generators, but the cost and system complexity is too high to be practical in a home. If I had an aboveground water source nearby, I'd definitely look into microturbines, they've come a long way in the last 10 years or so. I also want to try to build a wood gasifier to run a small stationary engine that could power a DC generator to charge the batteries in a pinch if noise wasn't an issue.
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Re: Shopping
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2021, 09:01:12 AM »
Great stuff FF.  :cheers:

Last Monday I ordered some cases of canned veggies from my local family owned grocery store because they were on sale. Store management told me that they would be in on Thursday - Yesterday.

Stopped by yesterday and guess what? Yup, my order was not on the supply truck.  :facepalm:

The store manager told me that they did not receive their entire order as the warehouse has a lot of outs. He assured me that my order would be in on the Saturday delivery truck.

We will see... :popcorn:

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Re: Shopping
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2021, 11:41:25 AM »
We sized our solar to only provide power to the wood furnace blower and some small electronics and lights. We have a tiny but efficient Japanese refrigerator that runs on 220v, we could use up 90% of the food in it over a day or two, anything left would go into the propane camper fridge until it was used. I made the decision to not have a large freezer, we can and dehydrate everything instead. I didn't want to have all my meat get ruined if the power got cut for any reason, also because I really love canned meats. Plus it's just more convenient to dump out a jar and heat it up, rather than having to defrost things first. And I don't keep my solar out all the time, I have a line power charger/maintainer that keeps the batteries topped off, if the power were to go out for more than 24 hours, I'd take the panels out and mount them on their rack. Our inverter is only sized to run the blower and some small chargers, I want to be able to run as much as possible direct off the batteries, which is much more efficient. Working on getting other ways to generate power, probably going to print a few small wind turbines this winter. I've also looked at thermoelectric generators, but the cost and system complexity is too high to be practical in a home. If I had an aboveground water source nearby, I'd definitely look into microturbines, they've come a long way in the last 10 years or so. I also want to try to build a wood gasifier to run a small stationary engine that could power a DC generator to charge the batteries in a pinch if noise wasn't an issue.

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Re: Shopping
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2021, 09:09:19 PM »
We live in a wonderfully rural area along the shore of the Chesapeake Bay.  Unfortunately, we live within 1/3rd of a tank of gas from wretched urban areas.  This means that when there were EXTRA problems in the cities, shortages & etc, our one county storre was stripped nearly bare by people who don't live here, but know about this area.  During the Battles of Toilet Paper Hill, shelves went VERY LOW for red meat, eggs, bacon, coffee and of course the 'paper products'.  OTOH, soda pop, sugary pseudo-foods & etc. were plentiful. We habitually maintain a stock of several pounds of tea, coffee and pipe tobacco at the house, much of the coffee is stored as green, whole beans in sealed, nitrogen filled bags (or so they say).   Roasting your own coffee in an iron skillet, then grinding it makes the BEST coffee we and our friends have ever had. Once we gind it, it never has opportunity to go stale or rancid.  We eat a lot of red meat by most standards and the 'gristle, bones, cartelidge and non-eaten portions are put into the slow cooker for at least one day, to make the most dellicious, nutritious broth you could ever taste: don't wast the meat/fat.  The thick soups &etc. made from this get rave reviews and provide energy from what some would consider a waste product, which they pay someone to haul away.

>>>====>  Thankfully, for years we habitually buy 2-3 extra cans of meat, tuna, sausage &etc. as habit from years ago, and this has kept us in good form here at the cottage. In survival; high quality fats and proteins are top priority (aged Scotch and English pipe tobacco are 'technically' somewhere after that , but only slightly behind  ;-)

Shelves here have shown the classic signs of rapid inflation: smaller packages, or LESS in each package, of the 'normal size.  Stock on shelves shows signs of the lack of supply: more spread-out/less densly packed than two years ago, to give the illusion of plenty. Red meat has roughly doubled in price and our former days filled with  'butcher's special' sales are gone. We are the LAST store on the delivery route, so at any moment, we might simply not receive deliveries, and that has happened a bit, but not habitually.

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The mounted solar & battery system here is modestly sized (130 W panel / 120 A/hr battery) , but intended primarily for recharging lights, and to power the ham and scanner radios. Situational Awareness is your friend. I have various portable solar power systems, intended for rapid evacuation; not essential, but convienent. If we were to increase the system to operate freezers & etc. it would then become a major expence for our needs. Would we LIKE refrigeration during power outtage? Yes, we would, but then again, I would LIKE to be independently wealthy, and that's not in the forseeable future for us ;-)  Ahead of electrical capacity for refrigeration  would be electricity to pump water from the deep well.  OTOH, We have an unused,  shallow 'grandfather well' a few hundred feet from the cottage, requiring only to remove the cap to use a rope and bucket for water. No electricity required, and Amish approved.



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