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Good Shoot ? Bad Shoot ?
« on: June 28, 2023, 10:10:55 AM »
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https://www.newsweek.com/florida-man-shooting-pool-cleaner-stand-your-ground-laws-1809194
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Re: Good Shoot ? Bad Shoot ?
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2023, 11:06:53 AM »
   An unfortunate situation.  The article states the Lt. Col. shot through glass, which indicates that the victim had not entered the home.  It was dark and the pool cleaner made no effort to contact the homeowner prior to his arrival.  I bet the pool cleaner won't make that mistake again.

    In my opinion, it was a bad shoot.  In most States, you cannot shoot someone for stealing or damaging property.  It doesn't appear that the pool cleaner made any attempt to enter the dwelling, so there's no immediate threat, except someone is in your yard.  The homeowner was lucky that he didn't actually hit the fellow with his shots.

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Re: Good Shoot ? Bad Shoot ?
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2023, 11:48:16 AM »
Not nearly enough info to make a call on whether it was a good or bad shoot.

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Re: Good Shoot ? Bad Shoot ?
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2023, 05:10:16 PM »
Hmmm.... I watched the video and I think the homeowner is a dumbass. He should know who or what he is shooting at. OK, he might have been afraid for himself and his family "BUT" what he did was clearly "Reckless endangerment". What I want to know is, at that short distance, How the Hell did he miss?

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Re: Good Shoot ? Bad Shoot ?
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2023, 06:50:03 PM »
My heart breaks, watching the video, w/911 recorded conversation.
One of my "puppy-buyer" "associates" owns a pool cleaning business over in coastal, lower,California.     He is younger than the age of shooter (from what I gather of the recordings).    That's one of the points I come from, no _detailed_ knowledge of the biz, certainly not this one.
Now, in the aftermath, I think the homeowner is likely to spend a great deal on lawyers, might be ruined.   The courts/jury must assume that in a sane world, he is to be of normally functional discernment (within the growing bounds of what is mutually agreed upon as "sanity").
My take? 
Some "sketchy" pool service company, trying to make ends meet with entry-level ground troops, failed to contact customers and inform them that to make up for "behind schedule" service, they were working their pool-cleaning techs into "after-hours".
And the older gentleman homeowner, unapprised of this attempt to restore schedules undertook ZERO investigation before sending lead down range.    And once he started pulling the trigger, he couldn't help himself, commitment being commitment.
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Re: Good Shoot ? Bad Shoot ?
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2023, 10:41:45 AM »
Were the homeowners threatened in the past?

Were they victims of home invasion before?

Have there been similar crimes in the area recently?

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Re: Good Shoot ? Bad Shoot ?
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2023, 11:49:01 AM »
My thoughts.   Anytime you go to someones house to do anything the first thing you do is notify them you are there and why. That is anytime, day, night, afternoon or whenever.   Failure to do so strongly indicates criminal intent. 

With the violence of home invasions all over the country in recent months his shooting may have been a few too many rounds and some may think a bit too soon.

Note the way the article quoted Sheriff Gualtieri and his overview.  I suggest that is more of a-- its a bad law because it lets this guy get away with this evil activities and he needs prosecuted but in the greater good I will let him go and use this as a political leverage tool.

Note it is Newsweek magazine.  Strongly anti-gun overview.

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from initial link above,

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Police have said no crime was committed when a Florida resident fired multiple AR-15 rifle shots at his pool cleaner, who he mistook for an intruder.

Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri held a press conference on Monday about the shooting, which took place at a Dunedin, Florida, home on June 15 at about 9 p.m.

Gualtieri detailed the events that saw Bradley Hocevar, 57, shoot at pool cleaner Karl Polek, 33, after his wife, Jana Hocevar, 43, heard noises coming from their lanai.

He said Hocevar was protected by Florida's Stand Your Ground law, and that while the situation was unpleasant, it was lawful.
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Re: Good Shoot ? Bad Shoot ?
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2023, 12:23:26 PM »
I don't even call people on the phone after 2100, unless they've specifically told me to, let alone wander into their yard in the dark and start cleaning a pool. Still a pretty piss-poor idea to open fire without verifying your target ID. What if it was a cop searching for a suspect? Or a neighbor kid looking for their cat?
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