General Economic Situation

[Nemo]

Oil prices seem lowering a bit, but thats a bad sign too.  Short term interest rates not acting right and all that too.  Recession, I submit, will be a weak descriptor of the upcoming unpleasantries.

Nemo

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/14/economy/yield-curve-bonds-recession/index.html

US economy flashes a recession warning sign
By Paul R. La Monica, CNN Business

Updated 12:51 PM ET, Mon March 14, 2022

New York (CNN Business)Surging oil and gas prices have raised recession alarm bells around the world. But another economic indicator is starting to look ominous: The yield curve is flattening.

Wall Street closely watches the difference, or spread, between short-term government bond yields, most notably the 2-year Treasury, and longer-term bond rates like the 10-year Treasury.

As that spread diminishes, investors worry that the yield curve could eventually invert, meaning that short-term rates would be higher than long-term yields. As of Friday, the difference was just 0.25%, with the 10-year yield at around 2% and the 2-year yielding 1.75%.

The gap widened a bit Monday, as the 10-year rose to 2.1% and the 2-year yield was up to about 1.82%, making the spread 0.28%.

Inverted yield curve often occurs before recessions

An inverted yield curve has often been a potential recession signal. The yield curve inverted in 2019 before the 2020 Covid-induced recession. It also did so in 2007 before the 2008 Global Financial Crisis/Great Recession. And it inverted in early 2000 right before the dot-com/tech stock meltdown.

US Labor Secretary Marty Walsh told CNN's Poppy Harlow that a recession is "a real likelihood" but he added that "we have a very strong economy" and noted that the job market in particular is healthy.

When investors want higher rates for short-term bonds, it's an indication that bondholders are nervous. Typically, rates for long-term bonds are higher because you have to wait longer to get paid back.

So how worried should investors be that the yield curve might invert?  Some argue that the only reason this is happening is because of Russia's invasion of Ukraine and the resulting spike in commodity prices.

"The risks of a recession are building but not necessarily immediate unless the global geopolitics dramatically deteriorate from this delicate starting point," Jim Reid, a strategist with Deutsche Bank, said in a report.


The Federal Reserve, which is widely expected to raise interest rates later this week, may be careful to not raise rates so aggressively that short-term yields increase even further and wind up flipping the yield curve.

That could cause a slowdown in the job market. And the Fed is supposed to keep an eye on unemployment rates as well as inflation.
"Chair [Jerome] Powell will make it clear that the Fed is aware of its dual mandate and does not want to invert the yield curve and produce a recession," Jay Hatfield, chief investment officer at ICAP, said in a report.

Inflation concerns existed before Russia-Ukraine

Although geopolitical tension could be distorting prices, inflation pressures were already building before the Russian attack on Ukraine.
"Russia/Ukraine is only pulling forward the natural slowing in the economy that would have occurred as the Fed tightened policy," said Tom Essaye, founder of Sevens Report Research, in a note last week.

Essaye argues that Fed rate hikes and a slowing economy would have likely led to an inverted yield curve at some point later this year even if Russia and Ukraine weren't in the headlines.

"The looming rate hikes (which are still coming) will combine with the growth slowing impulse of higher commodity prices and higher inflation to bring a sooner than previously expected slowing of growth," he said.

Rising short-term rates could also create problems for large Wall Street firms. Although higher rates tend to boost profits for loans, they also make trading, particularly for bonds, more of a gamble.

"The recent flattening of the yield curve and volatility in capital markets are emerging risks; thus, we are more cautious on the largest banks," analysts at research firm KBW said in a recent report.

The fact that bond yields are low isn't necessarily a bad thing. Rates fall when investors are buying bonds. So traders are clearly still finding US Treasury debt to be stable enough to keep flocking to it. But it is unusual to see short-term rates fall this sharply.
One strategist noted that it doesn't matter if investors are buying bonds because they perceive them to be safe. There is still a lot to worry about.

"The recession drumbeat is gaining in volume," Nancy Tengler, CEO and CIO of Laffer Tengler Investments, said in a report. "Of course there are many reasons to be concerned. Soaring inflation, rising energy costs, an almost sure recession in the Euro Zone and a dangerously flat yield curve."
"Never mind that the yield curve is being distorted by a massive flight to quality," Tengler added. "An inversion is an inversion."

[Felix]

Yuppers, a Great Reset is under way and there will be no stopping it.
Ever watch a boulder roll down hill?  (some of you may have never had the advantage of living where mountains and boulders presented the opportunity)    Anyhoo... Following gravity, it's path is mostly predictable.   But only to a degree.
In abysmal trenches of debt, over-leveraged with ability to constructively manipulate interest rates neutered, over-populated, socially decrepit, managed by fools who hit their riches big time via the luck of timing and venal, mendacious, and in some cases, down-right nasty business practices ... we are teetering over the edge of the highest dive board at any pool you've ever been to.     And our "Betters" can neither stay the plunge nor tell us exactly how the boulder(s) will course down over our lives, our country.    Much less, stop them.
My outlook has changed from a hopeful "3 month" disruption to a full-on decay back to the 1600s.    No.  Not the 18th or 19th century - the 15th.  End of Roman times - if lucky.  The easy-at-hand resources needed for continuity from here into 18th or 19th are gone, used up.   And no longer available for easy "bootstrapping" back to modernity or anything like it in the foreseeable future.
Not end of world.    There were happy, healthy, forward people in all ages (it's how we got this far).
But large, flat screen TVs lighting the cave wall again, any time soon?    Not what my Uncle Nostradamus sez...

[pkveazey]

I've been in a continuous state of the hair standing up on the back of my neck as far as the economy goes. Today, I got a full dose of what is coming. I live in a low tax County. That's why I chose to buy land and build a house here. I just got two notices of my new tax appraisal. In 1995, I bought the adjacent 1 acre lot for $4,500. In 2020, the assesed land value was $6,900. In 2021 it was $6,900. For 2022 it jumped up to $12,000. DAMN! Then I looked at my assessment for the house and acre that it sits on and nearly shit my pants. I built the house with well and septic in 1995 on that acre for $65,000. The 2020 assessment was $117,400. In 2021 it was $117,400. now the 2022 assessment is $150,000. When the REAL HYPER-INFLATION hits, I don't see many people being able to afford Taxes, Food, Transportation, Power, etc. I'm an optimist and think that we might just squeak by but I'm not so sure about most of my neighbors. I think when things get really bad, the Physical Silver might, maybe save my ass. I've already told the wife that when things get really bad, the Phone, Internet, and Sat TV will be the first to be canceled. If things get bad enough, I'll go to total off grid power and beef up the solar system. Fortunately, within the last few years I've replaced the Heat pump, Hot water heater, and Water bladder tank. The Well pump will have to wait until it craps out. I'm told that the 220 volt well pumps seem to last a lot longer than the 120 volt pumps. I guess I'll find out later. I'm glad that my well digger chose to install a 30" diameter concrete lined well. If things go bad, I'll at least be able to drop a bucket down there and get water when I need it.

[JohnyMac]

Market will go down a lot starting Wednesday. The Fed meets Tues and Wed. It is expected that the rate will go up .75%.  If it goes up more, hang on.

The Fed has to move as Feb CPI was 7.9% and we all suspect 8.5% for March.

Gold is ALL over the place playing the role of a yo-yo today of $40-. Crude is down near $105 from $130 last week.

All parts of the market are very volatile.  Hunker down kids.