FYI: Government Buying Out All The 5.56 Military Surplus Ammo

[sledge]

Can anyone collaborate or refute this?  One thing it says is that prices on military surplus is climbing.  It comes from Before It's News and is taken from an anonymous source.  This isn't making sense to me.

I'm trying to figure it out.  Military surplus is usually old ammo the military has sold to civilian dealers.  Why would the military be buying it back if this is true.

FYI: Government Buying Out All The 5.56 Military Surplus Ammo & Is Telling Ammo Dealers To Stop Selling To Their Vendors & Civilians.

http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/1914/592/FYI:_Government_Buying_Out_All_The_5.56_Military_Surplus_Ammo_Is_Telling_Ammo_Dealers_To_Stop_Selling_To_Their_Vendors_Civilians..html

[hjmoosejaw]

Boy! That's scary, huh? I guess they want more tax money from the newer ammo. But mostly I think they want us to have less ammo.

[mountainredneck2051]

pmc is gonna be no more
and 5.56 is jumping in price
and primers and handgun ammunition is drying up big time here

[crudos]

Just a chance to jump up prices before the coming election. Happened in 2008 where people freaked and ammo dealers gouged. Those who gouged excessively never got my business again and will operate under that same principle this time.

[Reaver]

Just a chance to jump up prices before the coming election. Happened in 2008 where people freaked and ammo dealers gouged. Those who gouged excessively never got my business again and will operate under that same principle this time.

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[v0dka]

well i was going to say this.

This is bs. Just scare tactics so ammo sellers can make more money.

until i saw this.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/catalog.aspx?groupid=156&name=.223%2f5.56x45
everything is sold out execpt 55 gn wpa steel case.

whiskey tango foxtrot over.

[NOLA556]

looks like the timing of my acquisition of 1K primers and a few pounds of powder may have come just in time. now i gotta hurry up and get the damn bullets and I'll be set for another 1K rounds or so.

any of you guys that haven't taken the plunge into reloading may want to start looking more closely at it.

looks like the price of my kit has already jumped by almost $30 since I got mine.

(i tried to post up a link to my kit but it keeps coming up as a dead link. oh well, you catch my drift.)

[RS762]

lol i couldn't care less, it's not like the gov will be buying up ANY 7.62x39mm
5.56 was already too damn expensive

[mountainredneck2051]

lol i couldn't care less, it's not like the gov will be buying up ANY 7.62x39mm
5.56 was already too damn expensive

it costs the same a 7.62x39 here............

[v0dka]

I can't find any 100 bulk federal walmart value packs in .223. Common pistol calibres are bought up too. I've been to two walmarts and all i could find was tulammo steel .223 at one.
I hope its nothing and they'll have it in next week.

[mountainredneck2051]

I can't find any 100 bulk federal walmart value packs in .223. Common pistol calibres are bought up too. I've been to two walmarts and all i could find was tulammo steel .223 at one.
I hope its nothing and they'll have it in next week.

you'd pay those prices?
if you need 5.56 i'll sell you m193 for $6.75 a box

[Outonowhere]

One thing to try with Walmart is to "use a competition ad".  Pick a local not well know sports shop and tell the clerk that you don't have an ad but you can get the box for 1-2 bucks cheaper at that place.  I usually don't make it an even amount less, like exactly 2 bucks, but usually if its reasonable they will do it.  In the end they ARE getting paid for it when you could walk out with your money.  (box of 50 9mm Federal usually 11.97 for 10.23 = save 1.74)  I wouldn't go more than 2 bucks cause they are usually skeptical and higher amounts require a manager approval.

Also, I too am seeing most brass bought up.  Im wondering if Federal stopped producing the 100 round packs of 9mm cause I have only been able to find the 50 round boxes for a few months now.  Tula is almost always in stock, except 7.62 which they replenish regularly, but all the others are hit and miss.  Also looks like a lot more shotgun and non standard calibers in there than there were.

[NOLA556]

I haven't seen any ammo shortage around here. I don't even bother with walmart in the first place.

all my local gunshops have plenty m855, m193, and lots of varieties of commercial .223

of course I pay out the ass for ammo, but that's the price I pay to avoid internet transactions.

[Treaded]

I read this and did some digging - the opposite is true.  I made a call to Stan Widener this evening and he clued me in on the fact that the military is going to a new enhanced penetrator 5.56 round and the although it will tie up production from the larger companies for a while the good news is the DoD isn't buying what the manufacturers currently have on hand.  That means tons of M855 are going to hit the market and along with that foreign companies are actually increasing their imports of that round.

[EJR914]

I read this and did some digging - the opposite is true.  I made a call to Stan Widener this evening and he clued me in on the fact that the military is going to a new enhanced penetrator 5.56 round and the although it will tie up production from the larger companies for a while the good news is the DoD isn't buying what the manufacturers currently have on hand.  That means tons of M855 are going to hit the market and along with that foreign companies are actually increasing their imports of that round.

Word!   [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co

[thatGuy]

I read this and did some digging - the opposite is true.  I made a call to Stan Widener this evening and he clued me in on the fact that the military is going to a new enhanced penetrator 5.56 round and the although it will tie up production from the larger companies for a while the good news is the DoD isn't buying what the manufacturers currently have on hand.  That means tons of M855 are going to hit the market and along with that foreign companies are actually increasing their imports of that round.

While not connected to Stan Widener I was wondering about this new round too and how it played into the whole "run on ammo" thing.

You guys got to look deeper because this story stinks.

The USMC is leaving M855 behind for the new MK318 Mod 0

The US Army is issuing M855A1 instead of 855

IS anyone in the US Military still using M855?

But that is all small potatoes compaired to the next question. Why would the Gov. sell it in the first place? The whole "run on ammo as perpetrated by the Gov" hinges on the notion that "they" are buying it up but the only reason it's on the market in the first place is because they sold it.

So they sold it and then bought it back because? Couldn't they have just not put that shit on the market?

I know a guy who called his friend Bob Hodgdon about this for me. The shortage of ammo and the components is no joke, Bob says he is running 3 shifts trying to meet demand. That leads us to the real issue. You guys are buying all the fucking ammo!and disseminating worthless information 

You know how I keep harping on about how you guys need to talk with people about this shit? I'm not doing that to be an asshole (although that is my nature ) I am doing to because people will give you the world if you know how to ask for it. As example, I asked the gun counter guy at the local Sportsmans Werehouse "You guys quit stocking primers?" when I saw the empty 16' long shelf that had once been full of product. I asked him that because what I really wanted to know was if they were ordering the same or more. Guess what his reply was to being jabbed at verbally? He told me that they are ordering twice as many primers as they ever had and that they were gone no sooner than they had been put out.

Now that is a different story there isn't it? Easier to believe but a lot less entertaining.

[crudos]

Great info Treaded and TG.

[Treaded]

All of the current stocks of M855 sitting in ASPS are being used to fill requisitions as a substitute and in TRADOC until the stocks go to zero.  All that 855 hitting the market right now is manufacture overruns and anticipations (ammo made and shelved in anticipation of a contract).  Title 10 forbids the DoD to sell excess, surplus, or obsolete ammo without a demil agreement from the buyer which has to be a licensed manufacturer.  So if you run across ammo that is described as "USGI" it's origin is not the DoD but the manufacturer and isn't subject to Title 10 because it never hit the DoD supply system.  The .Gov didn't buy that ammo in the first place.


 

   

[thatGuy]

I stand corrected, but my logic is still sound? The companies that are selling the ammo are marketing it to you because the Gov didn't buy it.

[Treaded]

I stand corrected, but my logic is still sound? The companies that are selling the ammo are marketing it to you because the Gov didn't buy it.

That is exactly what is going on.  Plus most manufacturers know there will still be a civ market demand for M855 and M193 spec. so as long as there's a buck to be made on it they're in.  As far as primers and new brass I'd be willing to believe that the demand for new rounds is so huge that uncle sugars contracts are sucking up a lot of that supply.

[NOLA556]

I stand corrected, but my logic is still sound? The companies that are selling the ammo are marketing it to you because the Gov didn't buy it.

That is exactly what is going on.  Plus most manufacturers know there will still be a civ market demand for M855 and M193 spec. so as long as there's a buck to be made on it they're in.  As far as primers and new brass I'd be willing to believe that the demand for new rounds is so huge that uncle sugars contracts are sucking up a lot of that supply.

who needs new brass? 

[thatGuy]

who needs new brass? 

I've been running my mouth about how much I like to reload and blah blah blah and it bit me in the ass.

I got brass falling from the sky at me. Everyone and their brother (literally) is slinging everything from Remmy to Lake City at me. If only I could find primers!!!

[NOLA556]

who needs new brass? 

I've been running my mouth about how much I like to reload and blah blah blah and it bit me in the ass.

I got brass falling from the sky at me. Everyone and their brother (literally) is slinging everything from Remmy to Lake City at me. If only I could find primers!!!

damn, it sucks all you guys are having so much trouble finding ammo/components. it's pretty plentiful around here. (at the retail level, which means $$$)

[thatGuy]

I went to Sportsman's Werehouse and they had 3K worth of Federal Small Rifle Primers and I bought them out... still looking for Small Pistol Primers.

[NOLA556]

I went to Sportsman's Werehouse and they had 3K worth of Federal Small Rifle Primers and I bought them out... still looking for Small Pistol Primers.

holy shit... you're operating on a level that's higher than me...