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Offline special-k

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My high quality name brand NBC canisters that I bought in '03 expire soon and  I was shocked when I went web shopping for suitable high quality, new production replacements.....THERE ARE NONE!!!  :o

Virtually every gas mask site has them listed, but are indefinitely out if stock.  But they all have plenty of "Mestel" brand canisters.  Having never heard of that brand I did a little research and found out that they are really "Drager" canisters with a "Mestel" sticker put on them.  Drager canisters are not made in the U.S.A. and some folks consider them to be an inferior product.

EDIT:  I eventually settled for the Mestels, because there was nothing else that was relatively new production.  I don't like to compromise on filters, but there was no other choice.

So what's the deal...why are manufacturers like Scott, 3M, MSA, Surviveair, etc.,  not keeping these on the shelf?
Is the U.S. govt. buying up all the supplies? 
Is it a conspiracy to keep the people from protecting ourselves? 
How much money has to be payed to these manufacturers to convince them to not produce enough for civilians? 

P.S.  Does anyone know how long past the expiration date, on a 10 year canister that is still sealed, the canister is supposed to last?   
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Re: Why are there no high quality, current productions gas mask cannisters?
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2011, 03:05:18 PM »
I wouldn't worry to much about experation dates....

















Untill the tear gas comes through the window.  >:D
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Re: Why are there no high quality, current productions gas mask cannisters?
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2011, 03:12:03 PM »
Speacial k ive always wondered the same thing if the government buys up stuff like this so people cant defend themselves

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Re: Why are there no high quality, current productions gas mask cannisters?
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2011, 04:19:50 PM »
I haven't checked in a long time but I'm pretty sure the regular NATO 40mm NBC filters are always available on approvedgasmasks.com
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Re: Why are there no high quality, current productions gas mask cannisters?
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2011, 04:31:26 PM »
woah dude, I officially retract my previous comment. I actually called approvedgasmasks.com and you're completely right. the dude told me straight up that all they had available was Mestel filters. he also said they have "type 80" filters which apparently are only good for riot control agents like tear gas, no NBC coverage. I asked him why they had so many products listed online when almost none of them are in stock and he told me (what sounded like a bunch of BS) that every 3-5 years the industry "shifts" (whatever the fuck that means) and most of the major manufacturers shift their focus to new and improved products... I don't know man. smells kinda funny.
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Re: Why are there no high quality, current productions gas mask cannisters?
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2011, 04:50:57 PM »
Im not worried about it. Small arms "gas" is not a major threat unless you are in a condensed urban area. Rural areas are just a waste of gas. Too much moving air. If you look at the chemical attack on the kurds, they did nothing to flee. Pretty much stayed near town and eventually died. And I dont know about you, but I would not be caught lobbing cannisters in open areas, makes you a hella big target. And for what? Less efficiency? I think the top of the food chain is still going to be radiation poisoning, lack of food/water, and oh yeah, the biggest one of them all, bullets.

 But, I dont know, Ive never been in that situation. Only time Ive been gassed was by my own brethren back at Ft. Benny. Good times!
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Re: Why are there no high quality, current productions gas mask cannisters?
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2011, 05:04:29 PM »
Im not worried about it. Small arms "gas" is not a major threat unless you are in a condensed urban area. Rural areas are just a waste of gas. Too much moving air. If you look at the chemical attack on the kurds, they did nothing to flee. Pretty much stayed near town and eventually died. And I dont know about you, but I would not be caught lobbing cannisters in open areas, makes you a hella big target. And for what? Less efficiency? I think the top of the food chain is still going to be radiation poisoning, lack of food/water, and oh yeah, the biggest one of them all, bullets.

 But, I dont know, Ive never been in that situation. Only time Ive been gassed was by my own brethren back at Ft. Benny. Good times!

some people don't have the luxury of living in a rural area. I don't plan on participating in any protests or riots, especially after SHTF, but where I live wouldn't be too hard to gas and still maintain some sort of effectiveness. plus think of door-to-door type scenarios. those thugs would get the surprise of a lifetime when they breach the door of a house they just gassed, and the homeowner is lining up his sights through the lens of his mask...
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Re: Why are there no high quality, current productions gas mask cannisters?
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2011, 05:14:17 PM »
I have cs as part of my kit for the simple discouragement of effective pursuit. Then again there's not a lot of open terrain around my neck of the woods so it's more effective for that use.

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Re: Why are there no high quality, current productions gas mask cannisters?
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2011, 08:27:59 PM »
Whether it be a govt. staged false flag depopulation event (nuclear, biological, chemical) or just entire city blocks on fire from civil unrest, train derailment chemical spills, factory or warehouse fires......A GAS MASK IS AN ABSOLUTE NECESSITY FOR ALL URBAN PREPPERS.   Plus it will allow you to defend against CS like Nola556 said and use your own CS as a force multiplier like Colombo mentioned....Half-face respirators can be useful also. 

I've been waiting for someone to start a topic or even a Board (wink-wink, nudge-nudge ~ admin) dedicated to the unique aspects of "Urban Prepping."   I'm sure some of us realize that we live to deep within the concrete jungle to attempt to bug-out,  and/or we have nowhere to bug-out to.   
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Re: Why are there no high quality, current productions gas mask cannisters?
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2011, 11:39:50 PM »
I count my blessings for living in the rural area that I do. You urban preppers are creatures of your own, I respect that to the highest. I guess I should look into it. Eventually I know Ill go back to the city in search for something or someone.
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Re: Why are there no high quality, current productions gas mask cannisters?
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2011, 12:24:09 AM »
i think im gona buy an m40 and some of those shit filters, as im sure they will work great against CS if its NBC fuck it im dead anyway

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Re: Why are there no high quality, current productions gas mask cannisters?
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2011, 10:11:37 AM »
I count my blessings for living in the rural area that I do. You urban preppers are creatures of your own, I respect that to the highest. I guess I should look into it. Eventually I know Ill go back to the city in search for something or someone.


I'm technically not urban but it's fairly densely populated suburban (plus I'm only like 10 min. out of the city). trust me, I'd give anything to be able to move out to a rural area. my BOL is pretty ideal but it's gonna take me a good while to get there.

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Re: Why are there no high quality, current productions gas mask cannisters?
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2011, 01:51:40 PM »
Special-K,
Interesting topic. Just this morning I was watching the riots in the EU and was surprised with the number of the protesters have a gas mask on.

While watching I was thinking, "Boy I wonder what the inventory was like in stores and on sites." Are the feds buying 'em up or was it a supply issue as more people are buying them now and the company can not keep up to the demand.

It might be kind of interesting if you go on the canister companies web site, click their Contact Us button and ask them.

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Re: Why are there no high quality, current productions gas mask cannisters?
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2011, 01:59:33 PM »
Special-K,
Interesting topic. Just this morning I was watching the riots in the EU and was surprised with the number of the protesters have a gas mask on.

While watching I was thinking, "Boy I wonder what the inventory was like in stores and on sites." Are the feds buying 'em up or was it a supply issue as more people are buying them now and the company can not keep up to the demand.

It might be kind of interesting if you go on the canister companies web site, click their Contact Us button and ask them.

Gd luck.

the approvedgasmask.com customer service guy that I talked to didn't mention anything about an overwhelming demand for masks or filters.
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Re: Why are there no high quality, current productions gas mask cannisters?
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2011, 02:57:34 PM »
the approvedgasmask.com customer service guy that I talked to didn't mention anything about an overwhelming demand for masks or filters.
Approvedgasmasks.com specializes in new, un-expired merchandise that you can bet your life on, for which a premium is charged.....Most people only looking for something to protect themselves from tear gas will likely buy less expensive out-of-date surplus, for example the $12 "OM-10" mask, which should work ok for tear gas but not at all for lethal environments.
« Last Edit: November 03, 2011, 03:10:34 PM by special-k »
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Re: Why are there no high quality, current productions gas mask cannisters?
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2011, 03:36:29 PM »
the approvedgasmask.com customer service guy that I talked to didn't mention anything about an overwhelming demand for masks or filters.
Approvedgasmasks.com specializes in new, un-expired merchandise that you can bet your life on, for which a premium is charged.....Most people only looking for something to protect themselves from tear gas will likely buy less expensive out-of-date surplus, for example the $12 "OM-10" mask, which should work ok for tear gas but not at all for lethal environments.

well you seem to know more on the topic than I do (not being sarcastic), how do the out-of-date filters perform? I've got a couple that expired in the early 90's that I'm not sure if they're safe to use (if I needed them) but I didn't want to throw them away until I knew for sure that they were unsafe/ineffective. (I have one less filter than masks because I shot one filter to shit during my only negligent discharge, lol)
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Re: Why are there no high quality, current productions gas mask cannisters?
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2011, 04:20:06 PM »
well you seem to know more on the topic than I do (not being sarcastic), how do the out-of-date filters perform? I've got a couple that expired in the early 90's that I'm not sure if they're safe to use (if I needed them) but I didn't want to throw them away until I knew for sure that they were unsafe/ineffective. (I have one less filter than masks because I shot one filter to shit during my only negligent discharge, lol)
I'll summarize the info I've recently read......

If the seals have been broken on a canister and it has sat around for some time (weeks? months?), it will be virtually useless in a lethal environment.  It may offer some protection from tear gas, and is still good for dust and particulate filtration.  NEVER BREAK THE SEALS UNTIL USE IS IMMINENT. 

If the seals are still intact, they will still offer protection after the expiration date, but the length of time it protects decreases the longer it has been expired.  An example I saw was a sealed canister that expired in the late 80's that is rated for 8 hours in a moderate exposure environment, would now offer only 2-3 hours of protection.

Here is a copy & paste warning about specific military surplus canisters:
FILTER: AMERICAN C2 (check exp. date) & C2A1
STATUS: EXPIRED -If more than 10 years old
** (old filters are known to have Chromium Toxicity
** and are considered highly dangerous)
DETAILS: To find out if your filter is expired, you must find the printed date of manufacture. Look for the serial number on the can: For Example: RFT 920000CF24054 (sample serial #) (first 2
digits are the year of manufacture) In this example the mfg date:
RFT [92] is 1992 These are 100% military surplus filters. The
military discontinued use of the C2 in favor of the new/better
C2A1 filters. But Caution: C2A1 filters provide no protection
against ammonia based agents.
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Re: Why are there no high quality, current productions gas mask cannisters?
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2011, 04:24:29 PM »
thanks K. I feel inclined to just go ahead and buy a few new production filters. no sense risking my health if I don't have to.
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Re: Why are there no high quality, current productions gas mask cannisters?
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2011, 05:09:57 PM »
NBC filter with 10 year shelf life. (not sure when they were produced though)

http://www.majorsurplus.com/M95-Military-Gas-Mask-Filter-P14390C1945.aspx
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Re: Why are there no high quality, current productions gas mask cannisters?
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2011, 05:49:43 PM »
NBC filter with 10 year shelf life. (not sure when they were produced though)

http://www.majorsurplus.com/M95-Military-Gas-Mask-Filter-P14390C1945.aspx

Good find Skippy....I called them, they only have old production (expires 02/2013) but still is a very good deal at $35 each for a name brand NBC filter.  I wouldn't buy to many considering the expiration date.  He tried to quote me the old price $75 but I informed him of the current listed price in his site and he said ok, $35 each.  The Scott M-95 he has there is a very good, comfortable, low profile mask for a very good price but he only has the youth size left.  I own 2 of the adult sized Scott M-95's and would definitely consider their small mask if I had a child that needed one.
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Re: Why are there no high quality, current productions gas mask cannisters?
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2011, 06:04:46 PM »
Hey how about this one

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Scott-CBRN-CAP-1-Canister-40-MM-Cartridge-045135-NIOSH-/250789877899

And also, what do you think about these M15 Israeli masks?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Israeli-Civilian-Gas-Mask-Nato-Filter-NBC-Protection-/160666260077

BTW I have no clue about NBC masks at all.

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Re: Why are there no high quality, current productions gas mask cannisters?
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2011, 06:28:28 PM »
Hey how about this one

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Scott-CBRN-CAP-1-Canister-40-MM-Cartridge-045135-NIOSH-/250789877899

And also, what do you think about these M15 Israeli masks?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Israeli-Civilian-Gas-Mask-Nato-Filter-NBC-Protection-/160666260077

BTW I have no clue about NBC masks at all.

The first item: They give a close-up picture that conveniently doesn't show the expiration date.  Price is to high anyway.

Second Item: The Israeli civilian mask (pictured) will keep you alive, with a good filter, but it has a very poor field of view and usually comes with a filter that expired in the 90's.  The Israeli M-15 is the military version and is much better in many ways.  But you can find masks just as good for around the same price. 
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Re: Why are there no high quality, current productions gas mask cannisters?
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2011, 06:28:56 PM »
APX, go for something like this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSA-Advantage-1000-Respirator-Riot-Gas-Mask-Large-/270842611642?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f0f7a47ba#ht_911wt_1188

You can find great deals on ebay.

Think of your field of view. Also, make sure you get 40mm threads on your mask, and if you don't, get the adapter that converts 60mm-40mm.
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Re: Why are there no high quality, current productions gas mask cannisters?
« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2011, 06:35:54 PM »
APX, go for something like this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSA-Advantage-1000-Respirator-Riot-Gas-Mask-Large-/270842611642?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f0f7a47ba#ht_911wt_1188

You can find great deals on ebay.

Think of your field of view. Also, make sure you get 40mm threads on your mask, and if you don't, get the adapter that converts 60mm-40mm.

The MSA mask in that link does not use standard 40 mm filters.  It uses an over-priced proprietary filter that runs $45.90ea./6pk $263.40.
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Re: Why are there no high quality, current productions gas mask cannisters?
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2011, 06:45:03 PM »
my bad, I was mainly using it as an example, but this one uses standard 40mm:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSA-Millennium-CBRN-Gas-Mask-10051287-MEDIUM-/270742588050?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f09840a92#ht_1956wt_982

Although this one is listed at nearly 300 bucks, I was able to get one around $50 with a little searching.
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