Unchained Preppers
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: thatGuy on July 15, 2012, 12:36:50 PM
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I got an email today from Cheaper Than Dirt and there was a couple of good articles in it. This one got me thinking about Charity and Trade goods. What idems do you prep for to Trade or Donate?
Do you put things away to donate?
Overlooked SHTF Barter Item (http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=23756&utm_source=EmailDirect.com&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=20120715-Chronicle-Vol1Iss5+Campaign)
July 14, 2012
Overlooked SHTF Barter Item:
From Tess Pennington at ReadyNutrition.com: ?It is safe to say that America is in a full fledged depressionary period and as the people are starting to feel the effects of the economic dead fall, they will look for alternate ways of obtaining products. We are in a bartering economy.? Pennington adds that in a SHTF scenario, bartering goods or services will be more valuable than the paper dollar. Having extra supplies of these items could be used for bartering and trading:
?Baby Formula and Cloth Diapers?In a bad situation, Mama Bears will do just about anything to take care of their cubs.
?Micro Livestock?Chickens, ducks, pygmy goats and rabbits can provide food and manure for farming.
?Weapons?Having extra weapons and accouterments that go along with weapons will be one of the top bartering items. Items such as: knives, hunting knives (heavy bladed knives for hunting), ammunition and guns. When purchasing extra bullets and guns, stick with the most popular models.
?Mason Jars?Many people, especially in the city, no longer preserve foods. They will need canning jars.
?First Aid Kits?First aid supplies, such as suturing needles, thread, saline solution, gauze and celox will be in high demand.
?Vitamins?If a person becomes vitamin deficient, ailments such as scurvy will become prevalent.
?Tools?Pick axes, hand saws, shovels, hammers, wrenches, and screw drivers.
?Fire Starting Gear?Stock up on lighters, waterproof matches, flints, etc.
?Honey and Sugar?Not necessities, but they would be popular trade items.
?Vegetable Oil?Use it for cooking and combine oil and herbs to make flavored oils.
?Gasoline?People will need gas and lots of it.
?Fishing Supplies?Hooks, line and lures do not take up much space in a bag.
?Boots?Military grade boots that have flexible soles and deep tread are the best type of shoes to have.
?Coffee and Tea?Simple indulgences that many of us can?t live without.
?Liquor?Liquor can be made from almost anything: fruit, cactus, potatoes, rice, even honey.
?Cigarettes and Tobacco?Many cannot kick the tobacco habit.
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i get free cigarettes so i got close to 15 cartons of em put away
and i got dies and bullet molds for all kinds of calibers so i can make ammo for anyone with brass
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MN is right on - with those dies and some scavenged wheel weights he'd be in business. Different types of primers and powder could be added to that list as well.
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MN is right on - with those dies and some scavenged wheel weights he'd be in business. Different types of primers and powder could be added to that list as well.
i got
10k small pistol
10k large pistol
10k magnum small pistol
10k small rifle
10k large rifle
and i got 16lbs unique and like 2lbs of imr 4198
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I maybe underage but I guarantee you alchohol is on my #1 list of things to do however I wouldn't trade them I would keep them for medicinal purposes ;D
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Learning how to make your own wine, beer, and spirits is the best trade skill you can have.
No matter how bad shit gets that's one skill that will always be needed.
Plus it's easy as hell.
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.22's
I can make bullets for all common calibers
My good looks [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
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knowledge of electrical wiring (assuming electricity is available).
all-around ability to build things with natural and/or man-made materials
reloading (only a few calibers as of right now)
and here's one that doesn't seem like anyone's thought about. rather than trading away your ammo, you could offer someone security in exchange for something that you need.
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One thing I've been looking into heavily lately is Gassifiers. I'm pretty sure if you could cobble together gassifier gensets you'd be well set for trading.
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Gasifiers are a huge idea. We are going with wood gasifiers ourselves.
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I don't know about all you fine gentlemen but I cannot afford to prep for other people. I can barely afford to prep for myself. So what I do is, older gear or gear I don't need do to having better fitting or just flat out better gear is what I wear and everything else goes into a separate area. Then when or if I upgrade again. Same thing.
But to be honest how I feel about it is, you shouldn't really get anything if you didn't have the fore-site to gear up yourself.
Also if I am going to just hand out gear. That shit is going to be well earned. Starting with trust & responsibilities.
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I don't know about all you fine gentlemen but I cannot afford to prep for other people. I can barely afford to prep for myself. So what I do is, older gear or gear I don't need do to having better fitting or just flat out better gear is what I wear and everything else goes into a separate area. Then when or if I upgrade again. Same thing.
But to be honest how I feel about it is, you shouldn't really get anything if you didn't have the fore-site to gear up yourself.
Also if I am going to just hand out gear. That shit is going to be well earned. Starting with trust & responsibilities.
bro I don't think anyone's talking about charitable handouts. just good old fashioned trade/barter capitalism.
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As far as simple trade goods. I'm running with Canadian mist blended whiskey( rather inexpensive yet smooth) and .22cal. Those are my main barter items. Whiskey and bullets. Yeah I'm a simple SOB. But it realy does cover some barter basics.
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I see a lot of good ideas here. I'll add my thought. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Feminine Hygiene Products.
You can get them in small packages. Women seem have preferences and a strong brand loyalty at present. But I guarantee in a SHTF situation a woman (read her husband or significant other) will trade for whatever they can get. No woman alive today has had to contend with how women used to deal with this issue and they will not like it one little bit.
What happens when women don't like something one little bit, especially at that time of month? They bitch, not just your everyday complaining that they want this or that bitching. We're talking non stop, nothing is going to make them happy until this situation is rectified type of bitching. What do you think a dedicated man will trade to put an end to that? If you've ever experienced it, you know the answer. Anything, absolutely anything in his possession.
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Oh.. sorry I don't recall reading the actual thread. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
Someone kick me in the balls please.
I have a bottle of jack, but Like picture says. Some invest in gold. I invest in Lead. Because I foresee that being the highest barter item. So. Here I am, storing not only for myself and usage but for tradeable's as well.
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What happens when women don't like something one little bit, especially at that time of month?
i disappear for a week :))
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Someone kick me in the balls please.
takes marksmanship to nail a target that small :))
sorry bro had to say it
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How about Sodium Hypochlorite? Cheap, easy and very little goes a long way.
I'm not talking about putting a ton of shit away for just giving away all willy nilly, I am talking about keeping my neighbors alive so they can be my early warning system first and foremost.
Building community, saving lives, doing the upstanding moral thing and all that is great too...
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Building community, saving lives, doing the upstanding moral thing and all that is great too...
Really like this thread, some great ideas.
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What happens when women don't like something one little bit, especially at that time of month?
i disappear for a week :))
You're a wise man Mountain, that's a damn good idea right there. Sometimes women can make that dog house out back look pretty damn inviting. lol.
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How about Sodium Hypochlorite? Cheap, easy and very little goes a long way.
I'm not talking about putting a ton of shit away for just giving away all willy nilly, I am talking about keeping my neighbors alive so they can be my early warning system first and foremost.
Building community, saving lives, doing the upstanding moral thing and all that is great too...
for the help out the neighbors box. I stock a rather large supply of seeds. and allot of first aide supplies that i get at the dollar store.
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I like it WhiskeyJack, at the end of the summer you can always this years garden seeds for a third of the price. (that info might be good for the prepper too ;))
I can see that this is a great donation, it's providing the neighbors with some means of producing their own food while making you look like the good dude that you are.
So how about an Emas Hand Pump (http://vimeo.com/8365884) for their well?
Guys I want to say that I am not suggesting that we need to be able to "carry" our neighbors. What I am suggesting is that when we do these things for ourselves (make hand pumps, buy cheap seed or shelf stable bleach) we could very easily do some for others too.
We should be building our "Tribe" now but later works too.
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We should be building our "Tribe" now but later works too.
Yep, we should all be working to grow our own GOOD Tribe right now. Meaning people that you want, that have real skills, to be in your tribe. It will be your own chance to survive an average SHTF scenario or long-term tough economic situation. I'm sorry, but being on your own, living like an animal basically, just does not even seem to be worth surviving through.
Build a tribe that will make you want to have a reason to survive, a tribe that will not just help you survive, but will help you thrive!
I truly believe that survival is important, but you also want the chance to THRIVE as well. To have some positive social interaction with good people. To start a tribe, that maybe one day could even support a child into the situation.
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Building a tribe should also mean to us single guys finding a lady with some real value beyond what she has beyond her thighs!!! The pretty off the shelf models are fun right now but they will be dead weight in SHTF and will probably cause problems for you in the long term in prepping.
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Building a tribe should also mean to us single guys finding a lady with some real value beyond what she has beyond her thighs!!! The pretty off the shelf models are fun right now but they will be dead weight in SHTF and will probably cause problems for you in the long term in prepping.
Yep, and he's getting that covered as we speak. LOL
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As a trained high risk contractor I plan to trade my skills as an operator! I think a lot you guys could too just from reading your posts! Stay frosty
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mmmmhhh frosty.....
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Yesterday I found myself in the local hardware store buying some screws and a paint brush. Without thinking I found myself doubling my order. My 1# of screws turned to 2#'s and my one paint brush turned to 2.
Driving home I thought to myself I have been doing that a lot lately. So when I got home and went to my celler I realized I had a lot of things to barter with. Screws, bolts, nuts, glue, caulking, etc.
Just a thought for your next trip to the hardware store.
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Yesterday I found myself in the local hardware store buying some screws and a paint brush. Without thinking I found myself doubling my order. My 1# of screws turned to 2#'s and my one paint brush turned to 2.
Driving home I thought to myself I have been doing that a lot lately. So when I got home and went to my celler I realized I had a lot of things to barter with. Screws, bolts, nuts, glue, caulking, etc.
Just a thought for your next trip to the hardware store.
awesome point JM, and let me supplement it with this:
in this male-dominated preparedness culture, many of us tend to get wrapped up in all the "manly" stuff like repairing equipment... general construction/repair related work. automotive work.. etc. but lets not forget about the more mundane things that you could be stocking away as well. like linens, bedding, clothing, towels, rags, etc.. that's just a short list of household linen type of items but there are about a million things that fall into that "soft" non-manly category that will be just as important and will be awesome for bartering.
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A week or two after grid-down, candles and matches are going to be like gold.
Since standard paraffin candles are more toxic than most people realize, I am choosing to go with some non-toxic palm oil candles from this site: http://www.naturalcandles.com/ (http://www.naturalcandles.com/) Their bulk discounts are not bad.
I was looking into beeswax candles, and while calculating the dollar to hour of burn time, I realized beeswax is really expensive. Palm oil candles are 50-75% less expensive per hour. I also calculated that the tea light candles are the cheapest per hour to burn. However, you'll have to be lighting a new one every four hours. If you don't want to go with the tea lights, the pillars are the next best for the money. Stay away from the taper candles, they cost more are are more likely to get knocked over (fire hazard.)
If you already have a stockpile of candles, I suggest using them for trade, and buy some of these non-toxic candles for yourself.
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tampons and kotex pads will be worth more than anything else a couple months in
dont believe me? think about how shitty your wife would make your life if she was not only pms'ing but doing it without her maxi pads
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That's the way to do it Johny,
When we make a study of the building methods in early America it is there that we see the importance of iron, steel and most importantly the nail.
All of the buildings built well into the 1800s were pinned together with Trunnels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treenail) and well joined. I know it's hard to imagine what a world without nails looked like but that is what they were dealing with.
Making nails was a very labor intensive and costly job, you needed a "Slitter" to cut sheets into pieces of bar stock and then a "Nailer" to make those bars into nails. It wasn't until 1590 in Kent that they had even contrived of a machine to do the slitting. Slitting Mills (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slitting_mill) were as you would imagine very large and complex machines built into mill houses, not the sort of thing that would hit the American shore until 1746 when John Taylor erected his Iron Works in Glen Mills (http://explorepahistory.com/hmarker.php?markerId=1-A-2A6). Before that happened the raw material used to make nails ie "nail rod" wasn't even mass produced on the Continent.
Mr. Taylor had piss poor timing, in 1750 the English passed the Iron Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Act) which greatly curtailed what could be made with iron in America. Nails were still rare and expencive, the common nail we know today didn't even exist yet.
Nails were so scarce in fact that in pre-1850 America people would burn dilapidated buildings just to sift the ashes for nails. They did so because pulling the nails would have damaged most of them. After the nails were recovered, a blacksmith could easily straighten any nails that had been bent during construction.
Thomas Jefferson was quite proud of his hand made nails. In a letter he wrote, ?In our private pursuits it is a great advantage that every honest employment is deemed honorable. I am myself a nail maker.? Jefferson was among the first to purchase the newly invented nail-cutting machine in 1796 and produce nails for sale.
Rather than forming the whole nail with a hammer and anvil you would shear a piece off of a peice of flat stock and a seperate machine to form the head of nails. Cut nailes didn't enjoy their hay day until 1820 when they finally surpassed forged nails in the market.
It wasn't until the 1850s that the nail we know today were produced using French made machines in New York. The "Wire Nail" had arrived in America, although they weren't used like we use them. They were mainly used to knock together pocket book frames and cigar boxes. It was not until after the Northern War of Aggression that wire nails began to gain acceptance in construction. Even through the 1890?s many builders preferred using cut nails because of their holding power. It was well into the twentieth century before wire nails became the dominate type and only then because they were so much cheaper.
Now that you have a basic understanding of the history of the nail it may behoove you to put some away just in case. [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
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yardsales and auctions yall, i got well over 100lbs of nails and screws put up for like $50
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Being able to deliver a baby safely will get you anything, and so will condoms, i think mountains got this covered! ;D
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i am formally trained in delivering human babies and i have birthed many a calf in my day
as far as condoms go i dont have much prepped at all
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i am formally trained in delivering human babies and i have birthed many a calf in my day
as far as condoms go i dont have much prepped at all
LOL i can see mountain putting 20 boxes of condoms on the counter and the cashier will be like "dam looks like your having a good night". lol
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yeah i'm going to the olympics 8)
trololololol
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yeah i'm going to the olympics 8)
trololololol
:)) ok that made my day lol!
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Backwoods, You seem like a good kid have you considered the military?? Stay Frosty!!
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How about stocking up On mosquito nets or fabric needed to make them?