Unchained Preppers
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Reaver on October 13, 2011, 12:06:52 AM
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Dude... I just had, what I think maybe a great idea.
alright so don't gun me down in flames if your not part of RR ( rule one guys )
So I was watching the storage wars show. And it hit me... in WROL/SHTF/ what the fuck ever.
Who is going to go clear out their storage locker? No one right?
So, get yourself a pair of bolt cutters or a battery operated grinder hack that lock off and " raid " what ever is in there.
Think about it unless someone is there your not putting anyone's life at risk by raiding they're community or home.
Its an abandoned storage shed.
Why not?
Lucky for me I have two uhual stations nearby and if it happens... its going to happen.
Also, think about it. A Uhaul complex is completely gated in. With enough time and security that is one hell of a community, make holes between each and you have one long barrack. Man... I'm going to be brainstorming this idea for awhile now.
Thoughts?
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I don't want to make it sound like a game, but to make it fair, I'd wait a couple weeks before I go busting into other peoples storage. After all, I'd be pissed if I had a shit load of preps saved up in (what I thought was) a secure Uhaul storage container, and come to find it broken into and looted.
There comes a point in time where it's not considered looting anymore, it's just surviving. So when that time comes, go for it. The idea is pretty smart.
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I don't want to make it sound like a game, but to make it fair, I'd wait a couple weeks before I go busting into other peoples storage. After all, I'd be pissed if I had a shit load of preps saved up in (what I thought was) a secure Uhaul storage container, and come to find it broken into and looted.
There comes a point in time where it's not considered looting anymore, it's just surviving. So when that time comes, go for it. The idea is pretty smart.
Agreed. Wish there were some of those around here.
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i have thought of the same thing a few times also. and think of all the cool old clothes and furniture you would now have!!
lol
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I don't know, man.
Still sounds morally unethical. These are the very things that separate those
who are good, from those who are bad. Stealing peoples shit, regardless of
a SHTF scenario is still stealing peoples shit- looting.
Sounds like asking for trouble.
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My signature explains morals in my own way very clearly.
Look, if its Katrina like and order is for sure going to be restored. Then I'm not going to be walking around taking peoples shit. But if its bad.. like bad bad. That's just survival man. and If I can take it and you can't defend it, or neglected to defend it. Then all well.
Horrible I know. But I'm a shitty person what more can I say.
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If you're in an area under martial law the storage units will probably be used as ready made prison locations.
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WROL does not mean that you hang your ethics at the door.
If you remember in the book Patriots; the folks at the BOL debated what to do with weapons & food taken from marauders they killed.
I have prepping friends that have food, supplies and weapons stored away in two to three locations along their many routes to their BOL. Some of these locations are U-Haul storage centers.
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i feel like if i allow myself to loot or something like that i have now aloud myself to fall victim to the same kind of people. i feel like you will be treated the way you treat others. and not because people see you do it. once you cross those lines youll get the same from others through karma or what ever... kinda like in grand theft auto... the more wrong you do the more shit comes your way. i dont want people after me so im not going to go after others.
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Storage units sound like a good place to set up an ambush for people who think their clever and may already have some useful equipment. Kinda like baiting deer to an area with corn. In a wrol situation I would expect trouble to be attracted to what looks like easy and profitable targets. I'm staying clear of any area that there's no way to tell If someone has legitimate business at or not.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVYFW5esFbM
This scene comes to mind when I look at our divides.
Strangely similar isn't it?
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[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVYFW5esFbM[/url]
This scene comes to mind when I look at our divides.
We know how that ended. ;)
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We do, but that is not always the case. :))
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i feel like if i allow myself to loot or something like that i have now aloud myself to fall victim to the same kind of people. i feel like you will be treated the way you treat others. and not because people see you do it. once you cross those lines youll get the same from others through karma or what ever... kinda like in grand theft auto... the more wrong you do the more shit comes your way. i dont want people after me so im not going to go after others.
i dont think karma is going to, 'play such a big part' in a wrol sit. because no matter how good you are people are going to try and take your shit, and possibly kill you. the real good people most of all, old folks ect....
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i feel like if i allow myself to loot or something like that i have now aloud myself to fall victim to the same kind of people. i feel like you will be treated the way you treat others. and not because people see you do it. once you cross those lines youll get the same from others through karma or what ever... kinda like in grand theft auto... the more wrong you do the more shit comes your way. i dont want people after me so im not going to go after others.
i dont think karma is going to, 'play such a big part' in a wrol sit. because no matter how good you are people are going to try and take your shit, and possibly kill you. the real good people most of all, old folks ect....
Lol. LOL. LOL. I wouldn't worry too much about the old folks until they run out of medicine. A lot of them in the community I live in are in the 60's, 70's, and 80,s. Those folks come from a harder time and they're scrappier than hell. Some of them are just out and out mean. Not to mention there are 20 or so retired cops and probably sixty or so retired military. You ought to see how they deck out their golf carts. There like miniature APC's with pull over lights and God knows what else. These guys get serious about their neighborhood watch program. You'd think they were guarding nukes or something. The sheriffs office has had to come out a couple of times and tell them their not LE and they need to tone it down.
Nope, I'm not much worried about looters pushing them around. Looters would be better off going after a softer target like the county jail.
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Yeah but this scene comes to mind in a fire fight. One of my favorite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL9fnVtz_lc&feature=related
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Lol. LOL. LOL. I wouldn't worry too much about the old folks until they run out of medicine. A lot of them in the community I live in are in the 60's, 70's, and 80,s. Those folks come from a harder time and they're scrappier than hell. Some of them are just out and out mean. Not to mention there are 20 or so retired cops and probably sixty or so retired military. You ought to see how they deck out their golf carts. There like miniature APC's with pull over lights and God knows what else. These guys get serious about their neighborhood watch program. You'd think they were guarding nukes or something. The sheriffs office has had to come out a couple of times and tell them their not LE and they need to tone it down.
Nope, I'm not much worried about looters pushing them around. Looters would be better off going after a softer target like the county jail.
try and snag us some picks LOL
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The best time for that is July 4th. They drive up and down the streets in convoy parade. Kind a like maneuvers. lol
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If I can take it and you can't defend it, or neglected to defend it. Then all well.
Horrible I know. But I'm a shitty person what more can I say.
Hence our conversation prior about sociopaths. We all know you don't think you're a, 'shitty person' so please don't pander ;)
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i feel like if i allow myself to loot or something like that i have now aloud myself to fall victim to the same kind of people. i feel like you will be treated the way you treat others. and not because people see you do it. once you cross those lines youll get the same from others through karma or what ever... kinda like in grand theft auto... the more wrong you do the more shit comes your way. i dont want people after me so im not going to go after others.
i dont think karma is going to, 'play such a big part' in a wrol sit. because no matter how good you are people are going to try and take your shit, and possibly kill you. the real good people most of all, old folks ect....
i disagree...i think even in a damn war karma or something like it is still in affect. not everyone dies and those who dont...they might just have been the guys who treated others as they wished to be treated.
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i disagree...i think even in a damn war karma or something like it is still in affect. not everyone dies and those who dont...they might just have been the guys who treated others as they wished to be treated.
I think the Rules of Engagement has a lot more to do with who lives and who dies than Karma. A lot of our guys in the last few actions have died because of stupid rules rather than Karma.
Just so we can be seen by the world as the good guys. I say if you make us have to come to your nation it's back to the stone age for you before we leave. If you already live in the stone age count yourself lucky, 'cause it means we'll leave sooner.
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i disagree...i think even in a damn war karma or something like it is still in affect. not everyone dies and those who dont...they might just have been the guys who treated others as they wished to be treated.
I think the Rules of Engagement has a lot more to do with who lives and who dies than Karma. A lot of our guys in the last few actions have died because of stupid rules rather than Karma.
Just so we can be seen by the world as the good guys. I say if you make us have to come to your nation it's back to the stone age for you before we leave. If you already live in the stone age count yourself lucky, 'cause it means we'll leave sooner.
yeah but i think its pretty simple... if you must kill a person to save yourself or others then you do it..if you dont have to then you dont kill them. if for some strange reason you die because you didnt kill that one guy who was walking with an AK minding his own bussiness and he kills you 2 months later...thats life, atleast you didnt murder anyone yourself.
The reason for killing some one could be as simple as a guy with an AK isnt complying with your orders when he shows up on your property. if hes not listening then hes obviously got other plans so just pop his ass... he was clearly warned several times, he knew that not complying would end in his death so thats it he made his own decision. you just took the action for him.
But i prep so i dont have to go rob others, mainly for safety reasons... i will not be out mingling with the rest of the crowd. esspecially right away where Police are still trying to enforce laws. i didnt spend all this time preparing to get caught by cops on day 1 for breaking in to a storage unit and then dying in a jail cell as the world collapses around me. thats a huge gamble.
A lot of guys say they plan to loot restaurant supply stores because most people wont think to look there for food. thats a horrible idea in my opinion. risk it all to get some more food. if it works you score MORE supplies..if it fails you die in a jail cell...
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The only looting I would consider is "liberating" equipment or vehicles of actual looters that make the mistake of thinking my place or neighborhood is a good target. Abandoned land and property of companies or government is strictly a community decision that I will not consider unless the community has decided too as a group. Personal private property I would strongly recommend against touching to any neighborhood organization and I would make it clear that I will not take any such property.
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i didnt spend all this time preparing to get caught by cops on day 1 for breaking in to a storage unit and then dying in a jail cell as the world collapses around me
Why isn't that when I mention doing something so " morally unethical " people think that I'm doing it on hour fucking 1?
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i didnt spend all this time preparing to get caught by cops on day 1 for breaking in to a storage unit and then dying in a jail cell as the world collapses around me
Why isn't that when I mention doing something so " morally unethical " people think that I'm doing it on hour fucking 1?
well perhaps i meshed two scenarios in to one... i would assume if it were a restaurant supply store it would have to be pretty early in the game or it would already all be gone..the storage units may last a little longer... but day one or day 20 im still not going to be out amongst the sheep. most will be dead before i come out of my hole. if thats when you plan to go through storage units it may be a better idea...but i still dont think id risk it to go through peoples junk. i want food and water not sofas and TV's lol.
and as a compound to occupy it may be good if its like those ones in the middle of no where with miles of bare land on all sides...but if its in the city youd need shitloads of people to keep that thing secure.
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Why isn't that when I mention doing something so " morally unethical " people think that I'm doing it on hour fucking 1?
I don't think that but lets just say some of us recognize your "youthful enthusiasm". Experience often pops to mind for many of us with scars and memories of past misadventures (ours and our friends still with us or not) often stemming from under informed or not fully thought out decisions. One of my favorite quotes has been changed due to age and experience " A wise man learns from his mistakes" now makes me smile and think "A fool learns from his mistakes, a wise man learns from the mistakes of others".
The faster you can get a grip on the relation of action and reaction/consequence and temper it with experience and an understanding of how chance, luck, fate, karma or what ever you want to call it plays its part, the faster you'll get ahead, hopeful with the scars of experience born by others. Sometimes immediate action is needed and dawdling while making a decision is just as bad as just jumping in, I wish you the best and recommend cultivating a good understanding of history particularly as applicable to a situation. I don't really recommend books but one you would be wise to consider in regards to wrol would be SOG The secret wars of Americas commandos in Vietnam by John Plaster. The concepts of out numbered and surrounded I don't believe are fully understood by many preppers.
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There are a lot of good points in Colombo's post.
I also think people underestimate Rambo, er I mean Reaver. He made it back from Bush's war. That means he saw some shit and made some good decisions. I read awhile back that the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan had the highest number of daily enemy engagements of any of the actions the U.S. has been involved in.
This thread brings up a question. How soon after WROL or TSHTF is it considered ok to requisition needed items while foraging?
Day one, day 20, or 3 years later? Wait too long and your chances of finding any said supplies go down significantly. What do you think?
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i think reaver has a awesome point about storage places because idk in wrol whos gonna want to get "some old furniture" wink.i mean if u wait a couple weaks i dont see a problem because eventually someone walking by will get the same idea and ur missing out. [url=http://yoursmiles.org/p-m
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To the question of how long bfore its ok to occupy or loot storag units. The answer seems obvious to me. When your current resources run out and it is blatantly obvious no help is coming. I dont think you can put a time line on it.
For the more individual part, where it is obvious the owner is currently using the supplies. I dont agree with the, if they arnt guardng it I'm going to take it mentality. Seems like a real quick way to get shot or if you get lucky just a waste of bullets when its not needed. I really dont care what war anyone saw, or what they did. When bullets fly there is always a certain factor of luck. Skill might be a much higher percentage but luck is still involved. It might work out a few times but eventually, just like every other robber in history, your luck will run out. If your luck doesnt your bullets will. On this same note, isnt this the reason we prep? So we dont have to be the robbers? So we can not just survive like the rest of the robbers but live? Beans, bullets and band aids. Not just bullets
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To the question of how long bfore its ok to occupy or loot storag units. The answer seems obvious to me. When your current resources run out and it is blatantly obvious no help is coming. I dont think you can put a time line on it.
For the more individual part, where it is obvious the owner is currently using the supplies. I dont agree with the, if they arnt guardng it I'm going to take it mentality. Seems like a real quick way to get shot or if you get lucky just a waste of bullets when its not needed. I really dont care what war anyone saw, or what they did. When bullets fly there is always a certain factor of luck. Skill might be a much higher percentage but luck is still involved. It might work out a few times but eventually, just like every other robber in history, your luck will run out. If your luck doesnt your bullets will.
Great post. Well done!
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You have hit some important points of time, energy and whats actually going to be found in a storage locker or restaurant supply stores.
I would like to pose another question concerning this.
If a plague hits and kills off lets say 2/3 of the general population. Would your views on storage unit req change?
Oh and Reaver this was a really good question. You started an awsome dialouge.
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Well, that's what I try to do. Bring the not so correct or human aspect out of perfectly good people. That always brings for good debate and conversation.
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