Unchained Preppers
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: cornkiller1 on December 07, 2012, 03:45:35 AM
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I've been keeping touch with my bros stationed throughout the U.S. They are all being vaccinated from Small pox, Typhoid and Anthrax.
Now this is probably standard but why is suddenly all military getting these vaccines? My buddies at Ft.Knox and at Ft.hood are getting them.
Being in the Guard I just had to take my FEMA training ICS 100 and 200. Getting maced and tazed soon. But why all of a sudden I need this Fema training and all my bros getting vaccinated for eradicated viruses?
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Interesting cornkiller.
Google Military vaccinations and a whole bunch of things pop up including this chart of what vaccinations are going to be given to our military, http://usmilitary.about.com/od/theorderlyroom/l/blvaccinations.htm (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/theorderlyroom/l/blvaccinations.htm)
No reasons given.
Here is the ICS 100 FEMA PDF http://www.fema.gov/sites/default/files/orig/fema_pdfs/pdf/emergency/nims/ics_100_fs.pdf (http://www.fema.gov/sites/default/files/orig/fema_pdfs/pdf/emergency/nims/ics_100_fs.pdf)
You have to wonder, 'What is our Government worried about or preparing for?'
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It's not new, my sister got a full round of shots before and after her last deployment to the Stan and that was 2 years ago.
What is interesting to me is that you guys get shot with vaccines that they will not use on the public. Kinda make you wonder...
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A lot of previously eradicated viruses are popping up with this subculture of parents that refuse to vaccinate their kids, Jenny McCarthy is the celebrity guru of the movement, but that mostly involves diseases like whooping cough.
Anthrax and small pox have been feared possible acts of bio-terrorism since the 90's, so no surprise there. I also assume that we still use our military to test vaccines and drugs not approved for human trials. I've never joined up, but I bet when you do there's a shit ton of fine print. According to wiki, our government seems to think that there could be pockets of small pox that could be harvested as biological weapons in places that did not participate in the eradication program, like North Korea.
I also wouldn't be surprised if we see typhoid pop up in areas as we keep getting hammered by mega storms with the effects of climate change becoming more and more apparent. We're already broke and I think we will see longer turn around times getting regions up and running after these big storm events, it will be like 3rd world countries in parts of the US for longer stints as far as drinking water issues, sewage waste in the streets, hunger, and illness.
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i knew i liked jenny mcarthy for more than her tig ol bitties
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i knew i liked jenny mcarthy for more than her tig ol bitties
Really? Cause not vaccinating kids and sending them to daycare and school puts babies lives in jeopardy, you can't vaccinate till a certain age. I think it's a pretty fucked up thing to advocate for. You should stick with enjoying the bitties and day dreaming about what could go into her mouth, while completely disregarding what comes out of it. She's at the top of my dumb bitch list directly under Nancy Pelosi- did that image bring the swelling down?
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There ya go buddies.
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Immunology . a substance admixed with an immunogen in order to elicit a more marked immune response.
In immunology, an adjuvant is an agent that may stimulate the immune system and increase the response to a vaccine, without having any specific antigenic effect in itself.
There are many different adjuvants used in immunology. Here's a write-up about them... It has a lot of big words so just pay close attention to the adverse effects of each type: http://whale.to/vaccine/adjuvants.html#ADJUVANTS_ (http://whale.to/vaccine/adjuvants.html#ADJUVANTS_)
The addition of adjuvants (and preservatives) is NOT necessary for an immunization to take. IMO, these chemical compounds are added for the purposes of eugenics (thinning the herd/reducing lifespan), and so the medical industrial complex can profit from your slow death.
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Interesting subject and I am sure with varying degree of opinions.
I received a Polio & Small pox vaccination as an infant. I had Measles, Chicken pox and Mumps by the time I was 10 years old. I have a TB bug or something living in me as I always test positive when they test me for TB which happens every five years or so.
So I am covered for most diseases except for Anthrax.
On another note but similar topic: I use to get the flu shot every year and every year I seemed to get the flu. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
Three years ago I forgot or was to busy and didn't get it. I didn't get the flu that season. I have NOT gotten the flu shot since and I have not suffered from the flu during that period of time. I may get a minor cold but never the flu.
Because of my experience by not getting the flu shot, last year my wife didn't get one either. Low & behold she didn't get the flu.
She was at her Primary Physician before we left RI and he put the 'full course press' on her to get a flu shot. She stood her ground and said no. I will report back in the spring as to whether either one of us got the flu.
Just saying...Not trying to start a pissing match over this topic.
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i knew i liked jenny mcarthy for more than her tig ol bitties
Really? Cause not vaccinating kids and sending them to daycare and school puts babies lives in jeopardy, you can't vaccinate till a certain age. I think it's a pretty fucked up thing to advocate for. You should stick with enjoying the bitties and day dreaming about what could go into her mouth, while completely disregarding what comes out of it. She's at the top of my dumb bitch list directly under Nancy Pelosi- did that image bring the swelling down?
you know what i think is fucked up? all the kids with autism from getting vaccinated from the boogie man
have you even checked out whats in the vaccines they are recommending or at least read about the warnings?
i personally know 4 kiddos who got autism from flu shots and vaccines
and i know absolutely ZERO kids who have died/ or had any serious illness from catching it at school
BTW vaccines are just to "improve" your immunity to shit
nothing a proper diet wouldn't do better
instead of injecting our kids with awful shit to go to school why don't we demand they be fed a proper diet get some exercise
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I went about this the wrong way, sorry to throw out opinion in such an oppressive way without any real info. Props to Special-K for laying out facts and definitions...
First off, no medical studies have found a direct link between the DPT vaccination and neurological disorders such as autism. It has been noted that high fevers after receiving the vaccine could cause disorders, but the diseases being vaccinated against cause the same side-effects. Cases of autism, ADD, seizures, etc... are likely from preexisting conditions. Good parenting and diet can help a lot of things, but won't save an infant from pertussis. Neurological disorders are not understood completely and like everything else, can occur for a number of reasons. You can plan your pregnancy, take multi-vitamins, not smoke, eat healthy, not drink caffeine, and still have a child born with one of these ailments. Beyond that we have to consider the severity of the disorder. I firmly believe that many of the greatest minds have been mildly autistic, it takes a certain kind of brain wiring to focus and produce advances in our knowledge without being crushed under the pressure or by the bastardizations of ones achievements.
I don't trust the FDA or modern medicine to decide my fate, I research drugs and ask for second and third opinions. Healthy living and your own antibody production can only get you so far, there are smart steps we can take that will help us in this overpopulated society with too many butts in the tub.
I didn't get a flu shot for the last two years, I'm waiting to get one but am currently sick. The thing about the flu shot is that they choose one strain that they think will be the most virulent one for the current year and manufacture the flu shot for that. That does not mean that there aren't many other strains that can still infect you. The purpose of the flu shot is not to eradicate flu viruses, of course we need pathogens to promote healthy immune systems, but to prevent huge outbreaks like Spanish flu in the early 1900s that took the lives of many perfectly healthy folks.
What many people don't think about when assessing their health with and without the flu shot, is whether your immune system is less compromised because the shot has negative effects, or if you've not been exposed because of changes in your routine. Have you been interacting as much with the public, exposing yourself to viruses, or have you been unintentionally self-quarantined. I've been on this forum so much and haven't been very social in person, I suspect I probably don't need to get a flu shot this year, but I will anyway.
That's my 2 cents, everyone has to decide for themselves, but hopefully when making that decision folks will consider that they don't live in a bubble...
My heals are dug in and I'm ducking for cover, fire away boys [url=http://yoursmiles.org/p-m
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I don't really have an opinion on this either way. Nice picture though TG, Thanks!
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I've been keeping touch with my bros stationed throughout the U.S. They are all being vaccinated from Small pox, Typhoid and Anthrax. Standard Before a deployment
Now this is probably standard but why is suddenly all military getting these vaccines? My buddies at Ft.Knox and at Ft.hood are getting them.
Being in the Guard I just had to take my FEMA training ICS Somewhat normal.100 and 200. Getting maced and tazed not normal & probably the scariest part. soon. But why all of a sudden I need this Fema training and all my bros getting vaccinated for eradicated viruses?
They only do that when you need to be trained for liability reasons. One cannot use it if they do not know what its like having it used on them. ( Force reasons )
Unless your a civilian of course. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
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What?
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ENOUGH! You are driving me crazy with these pic's [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
Why do you keep putting my wife's pictures up? ;)
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You're a lucky man JMac ;)
No but really, how could she be wrong.. I mean, look at her!
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p.s. I'm just trying to distract you so thatGirl will quit using up all the interwebz and lagging down my J McCarthy search!
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Yeah baby TG [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
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i knew i liked jenny mcarthy for more than her tig ol bitties
Really? Cause not vaccinating kids and sending them to daycare and school puts babies lives in jeopardy, you can't vaccinate till a certain age. I think it's a pretty fucked up thing to advocate for. You should stick with enjoying the bitties and day dreaming about what could go into her mouth, while completely disregarding what comes out of it. She's at the top of my dumb bitch list directly under Nancy Pelosi- did that image bring the swelling down?
I think its messed up that the mutated vaccinated to hell people are able to walk near normal people. Who knows what they have... buncha freaky test rats.
I eat a lot of fast food etc so i usually do get the flu every year. I never get the flu shot for one as its more of a guess what strands i might be exposed to. And two as i dont mind puking for 24hrs and keeping my chance for alzeihmers down 1000% among other things. I read that in the newspaper a while back. Maybe its not true....but ill take my chances...
Isnt it weird how they are bassically paying you to get their flu shot now? i saw one ad that said the shot was $15 and then you get a $30 gift card...
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I aint gonna lie Jenny McCarthy has a nice pair but her motives for not vaccinating is ridiculous, but when the parents decide not to vaccinate their kids, lets just say don't start crying to us when kid is dying from Typhus, Dysentary, Cholera or Polio. My point is the world is full of IDIOTS
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LOL I like this thread.
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. :))
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I aint gonna lie Jenny McCarthy has a nice pair but her motives for not vaccinating is ridiculous, but when the parents decide not to vaccinate their kids, lets just say don't start crying to us when kid is dying from Typhus, Dysentary, Cholera or Polio. My point is the world is full of IDIOTS
her kid got autism from being vaccinated, i know 4 more personally who did, how many kids do you know who have got Typhus, Dysentary, Cholera or Polio?
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OONW wrote:
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. :))
I LOVE IT!
In all honesty, the best medicine to stay away from getting colds or the flu is to stay away from people. When the Spanish flu hit the US in the early part of the 20th century; the folks who were affected the most were the folks in the cities. My grandmother was a youngster and she told me that she use to sit on her front house steps and count the hearses as they passed, all day long. She was brought up in Perth Amboy NJ.
I think TGrl already posted this; however it deserves a read by all if you haven't already done so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic)
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ahh the flu pandemic, my grandpa says they kept an onion in every room and one in their pocket, his family never so much as sneezed they were one of the only families that didn't have anyone show signs of it at all
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Mntn,
Valida, Spanish, Yellow, other? :))
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Yeah none this idea that kids get autism from vaccines is horse shit I've had my vaccines I don't have it, my family got theirs they don't have autism, my friends well you get my point.
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Well Alex something is causing it. Here are some facts:
Did you know ...
Autism now affects 1 in 88 children and 1 in 54 boys
Autism prevalence figures are growing
Autism is the fastest-growing serious developmental disability in the U.S.
Autism costs a family $60,000 a year on average
Autism receives less than 5% of the research funding of many less prevalent childhood diseases
Boys are nearly five times more likely than girls to have autism
There is no medical detection or cure for autism
http://www.autismspeaks.org/what-autism/facts-about-autism (http://www.autismspeaks.org/what-autism/facts-about-autism)
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Yeah none this idea that kids get autism from vaccines is horse shit I've had my vaccines I don't have it, my family got theirs they don't have autism, my friends well you get my point.
your just plain wrong
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Yeah none this idea that kids get autism from vaccines is horse shit I've had my vaccines I don't have it, my family got theirs they don't have autism, my friends well you get my point.
Dude. If your on a troll roll or trying to be funny its not legit.
You should do some real research on numbers and not just base it off of your ( apparently completely blindfolded & sheeple ) life.
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My (ex)step-kid developed signs of autism after the MMR vaccine, at age 7 he was diagnosed with Aspergers. Normal child up to that point. So hows that for you alex?
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Im not anti modern medicine. I see no problem with a person getting a shot of insulin if they cant produce enough etc. But to get some nasty cocktail of unknowns with so many claimed dangers to protect you from a non life threatening (for healthy adults) 2 days of discomfort? And its not even certain you would get it anyways. And if you get the shot its not even guaranteed it will protect you. Blows me away how people rationalize things.
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Really? Cause not vaccinating kids and sending them to daycare and school puts babies lives in jeopardy, you can't vaccinate till a certain age. I think it's a pretty fucked up thing to advocate for.
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She's at the top of my dumb bitch list directly under Nancy Pelosi
Then make me number three because I wouldn't vaccinate my kids if you paid me a million bucks.
I might consider Polio/MMR simply because these virus' are harder for your natural immune system to fight off. Every thing else is a HELL NO. Not tryin' to pick a fight, just sayin...
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I'm saying what I want to say. If you want to say this or that go ahead and thanks for the info JohnnyMac. I don't know what causes autism but blaming vaccines or whatever is not gonna help figure out a cure so lets CALM DOWNplease.
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And to Reaver no I am NOT on a troll roll
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I'm saying what I want to say. If you want to say this or that go ahead and thanks for the info JohnnyMac. I don't know what causes autism but blaming vaccines or whatever is not gonna help figure out a cure so lets CALM DOWNplease.
you realize there has never been a cure for any disease ever?
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Okay folks, taking a step back and re-configuring. Autism is a real and serious neurological disorder, it occurs all of the time, I don't think that was ever in question. Like everything else in humans and beyond, most diseases, disorders, etc... are not fully understood on a mechanistic/causal level, they can be result from many things, solo and in combination, nature and nurture plus all of the epigenetics in between.
I'm sorry that you guys (MtnRN and GP) have had such close and personal experiences with autistic kiddos, it's a rough reality. I have personal experience with autism, but nothing that would lead me to think that vaccines were the cause. I'm basing my opinion solely on literature, which means that I am not denying the possibility, just stating that there's no conclusive evidence to say that one causes the other. Regardless of that, unless vaccinations are shown to result in autism some grossly large percent of the time, I am still of the opinion that deadly viruses on overpopulated planets are a greater risk.
When it comes down to it, every decision we make regarding health and welfare of ourselves and our dependents comes down to risk assessment on a case by case basis, and the choices we have are never 100% safe- you do the best you can with what you have in the situation you're in.
In my opinion, the only reason why folks at this moment feel that there is more risk in vaccinating there children than not, is that most people vaccinate their children. If the balance tips and these "eradicated" viruses return to pandemic level, we can revisit this topic, and add it to the growing list of shit we have to deal with because of the ineptitude of others- no offence, just offense. I'm sick of this losing "game strategy", we don't think far enough ahead and it always comes down to our defensive-line, that's bullshit...
I'm actually surprised that it's a interweb full of preppers I just said that to, world's divided. Can someone please drag a hapless Obamanite into the room so we can berate them in unity :o
What? I said please...
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my issue with vaccines is that they are also not necessary at all
if people fed their fucking kids correctly, made em go play outside and took the proper natural medicines when they started to get sick then we wouldn't have problems like this
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Sorry, it's me again...
I wanted to clarify some things and then obscure them more. The concern you all have been talking about with vaccines and Aspergers (autism) is referring to more severe Aspergers where people aren't completely functional, whereas the statistics that were posted by JM, probably include all levels. As I said before, a lot of famous, intelligent folks have, had, or are speculated to have had Aspergers including Bill Gates, Abe Lincoln, Ben Franklin, Albert Einstein, HP Lovecraft, Isaac Newton, among others, so this is all gray area. The link below is for a test to see if you too have what it takes to create the next multi-billion dollar software company, end slavery, or discover gravity. I'm willing to bet that most of us, more than the high statistics show, are mildly autistic and a few of us are cheaters... :P
http://www.aspergerstestsite.com/75/autism-spectrum-quotient-aq-test/#.UMQNPOQ_lic (http://www.aspergerstestsite.com/75/autism-spectrum-quotient-aq-test/#.UMQNPOQ_lic)
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OK TGrl, my score was 22. There was no graph showing what a 22 meant. There was a one line sentence stating that if you score over 32 to fill in the blank with your email address and they would send you something.
Maybe a Obamacare person in black boots and a brown shirt. ;)
I am going to make a 'poll post' so you can in secret drop in your score. The title will be called AQ Test results.
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Ok people I think we need to seriously CALM DOWN, this post is getting out of control man.
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i got a 16
with no explanation of what it means :-\
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Official Rules,
4. Intentionally providing false or misleading information as fact will not be tolerated.
You know we are not ones to bring out the 'ol rule book and beat people with it but you guys are better than the conversation you are having.
First, the statement that there is no cure is correct. These diseases have not gone away they have been suppressed to virtual none existance in the First World.
Does this mean that "vaccines are not necessary?"
No it doesn't, these diseases still exist, you or your child can still be infected. You can still die a protracted, sore covered oozing death, third world style.
"But thatGuy, I hear the third world is really nice this time of year,"
That may be folks but you don't live there for a reason, right? Do you advocate dumping trash in the streets? Pimps and Whores? Cartels? Child Armies? Trash Fires?
Society functions on the basis that we are all pulling for the common good. When people quit pulling for the common good they pull for themselves and tear the operation apart.
If you guys want to see a third world news cast about the latest Pertussis outbreak then move to some shit hole, don't make my America fit your desire.
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Mntn,
did you put your score in the poll provided?
I am not sure however if you score higher than 32 it means you may have Autism to varying degree's; under likely not.
Same subject just another thought: I have actually thought about Autism before it came up here a lot. I kind of link it to Diabetes II where a couple of years ago everybody seemed to be being diagnosed a diabetic class II.
Maybe, with the technology we have today, the reason why autism is so high is simply because we can departmentalize it. I do know why diabetes II is so prevalent; Dr.'s can diagnose and then treat it. I am on the boarder-line of having diabetes II. My Dr. told me if I lost 20#'s I would most likely not need meds.
Mntn, I happen to agree with much you said about kicking kids out of the house to run off energy and making sure our kids eat right. I see it all of the time where kids sit in front of the TV or play video games till they drop. I also see parents not feeding their kids foods from the three food groups: Protein, starch and veggies.
Growing up, our parents made us eat all three and we couldn't go back for seconds (Meat was always my second) until we finished our plates. We also use to have diner as a family; promptly served at 6:00PM every night! If you missed diner you better have a damn good excuse or you had to fend for yourself when you got home.
Pizza in my house was served as a treat not diner; as well as other fast food.
Well I am rambling here. Got to go down to the garden and pull the last of my White Top turnips for diner.
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I scored a 24.
One question id like to see on all these tests is:
"You find it very difficult to answer truthfully because your not sure where you stand on any of the questions"
Strongly Agree
I always find myself thinking i could easily check any of these boxes on many of the questions.
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I agree Ken.
I guess we are both slightly autistic. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
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Vaccines are a no go in my book. To bad I don't get a say if I get them or not.
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My Dad tells a tale from his time in the Navy about standing on a pier on line awaiting their vaccine so they could board their ship and go on a cruise.
He said it took two MPs to keep the Doc vertical and when he got to my old man he drew a V on his chest with the high pressure vaccine injector. He brags about the time he knocked 3 dudes down with one punch.
You're right v0dka, you don't get a say in it so keep your mouth shut, take it like a man and bring your own lolly pop. That would be a great gag wouldn't it? Just start handing out lolly on shot day.. do it!
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You're right v0dka, you don't get a say in it so keep your mouth shut, take it like a man and bring your own lolly pop. That would be a great gag wouldn't it? Just start handing out lolly on shot day.. do it!
Well i was going to post in this thread and decided against it now i have to. :P
I managed to dodge it this year as i won't be employed until this coming year. HOPEFULLY they give us a better version of this shit. I can't see the gov trying to retard its own first responders.
I also am going to get pressured into getting my hep b?c? vaccination and another two nasty bloodborn shit that people have these days. I really don't like the idea of putting something in my body that in another form could kill me. But it is what it is.
Bringing lolly pops might get me out of it. Maybe i'll sneak in line with all the other people with lollys and get the paper work taken care of without getting the shot :))
hmm what was this thread about originally? oh yeah, As far as the vacs and the nims training. It's the end of the year, big brother probably went though and see who needed what. They helped the mil use up it's alloted money for those things so they can get more next year. YAY more money!!
I also have to get nims training, It's a requirement if you want to get anywhere.
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You get to go somewhere?
I know folks who love going places.
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My Dad tells a tale from his time in the Navy about standing on a pier on line awaiting their vaccine so they could board their ship and go on a cruise.
He said it took two MPs to keep the Doc vertical and when he got to my old man he drew a V on his chest with the high pressure vaccine injector. He brags about the time he knocked 3 dudes down with one punch.
You're right v0dka, you don't get a say in it so keep your mouth shut, take it like a man and bring your own lolly pop. That would be a great gag wouldn't it? Just start handing out lolly on shot day.. do it!
I was a corpsman in the Navy and had to give thousands of shots. Those high pressure injectors were fun. When you gave the shot, you first wiped the arm with an alcohol pad, let it evaporate a little, then gave the shot. If you didn't like the guy, you wouldn't let the area dry first. Then you could let the injector slide , thereby cutting the arm a little. OOPS!
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You are evil hj...Funny but evil! >:D