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SHTF - What is your Groups Plan
« on: August 28, 2016, 02:10:31 PM »
You wake up one morning to some bad financial* news being broadcasted on your favorite morning news show. The talking head from the government on the program makes reassuring comments that, "all is well."

Through-out the day at work you monitor the stock market. By 12:00 noon eastern time, the DOW Halts Trading followed quickly by the NASDAQ.

Four hours later the market reopens however it continues it's spiral down and at 4:30 PM as usual, the markets close for the day.

Over the coming days the market continues to collapse albeit with a few rally's; However by weekend it has lost 25% of its value. Over the weekend the futures markets continue to slide and by opening Monday morning the market has lost another 15% of its value.

While the market is going through this correction, people are starting to get a little worried and withdraw money from their banks. This modest run on the banks has the Federal Reserve worried and recommends that withdrawals be limited to $100- a day for cash and $500- a day if you make purchases with a debit or credit card. Congress concurs and fast-tracks a Bill through both House and Senate in two days. The President signs the Bill making it law on the third day after the Feds recommendation.

With the curtailing of cash, the bread & butter of truckers, consumable items are not replaced on shelves at our favorite stores. This in essence creates a panic buy of all consumable items. Small 2, 3 or 4 people skirmishes break out between panicked buyers at stores and gas stations around the country.

Some gas stations begin to ration fuel purchases which adds another layer of frustration among the people.

Since inventory is dropping in stores sales naturally fall off. Payroll is every employers largest expense so they start to lay-off their employees commensurate with limiting operating hours.

People living paycheck to paycheck now do not only have food or fuel, they no longer have money. The government try's to come to the rescue but as the unemployment rate keeps climbing the government keeps printing money and adds funds directly to the unemployed accounts. The problem though is, there is no tax revenue coming into state and federal accounts to support this outflow of money. Limited inventory of goods to purchase with digital money.

The US dollar is taking a beating on the worlds stage due to the printing of money with nothing to support it. Treasury notes are being turned in by creditors who demand full payment which further devalues the dollar.

A month has gone by since that morning you were sipping coffee and heard the first drum beat of the economic tsunami that hit our shores.

Now being a good prepper you have prepared for this moment. You have a years worth of food squirreled away for your family and Fido. Thank heavens!

You have set up minor security overview and monitor the air waves 24/7, hoping that someone from the government will do something. But you are at peace with yourself because you have prepared.

Then a knock comes at your door. Standing at your door is your [insert group here - Family, friends, etc] and they give you a tale of woe, e.g. no food, used the last of their gas to get to your house, lost job, Sussymae, their daughter, is pregnant. Blah, blah, blah. You get the idea.

* When a SHTF scenario happens regardless the drama de jour, e.g. EMP, another 9/11 but worse
   attack, bank holiday, etc. there will be people showing up at your door. Remember all of the
   times you told your family and friends that your family was prepping for a SHTF event?  :facepalm:

We have discussed this scenario with our group BUT in all honesty, we only have a consensus on what we are going to do. It is NOT written in concrete and is still up for debate. 

So what do you do? Have you discussed this scenario with your group?




   

« Last Edit: August 28, 2016, 04:21:01 PM by JohnyMac »
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Re: SHTF - What is your Groups Plan
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2016, 05:43:38 PM »
I take charge of the local family, who doesn't think much of the prepping idea, but who do have about 175 head of Angus steers in the field, including the fair number of breeder cows and a bull or 3.

I spent about 2 minutes talking with the 2 "matriarchs" (each 75+) of the bunch and they start laying out the orders.  Neither was here in the depression but do recall those days and WWII rationing and such.  Have already had some talking about this with both of them and they "know what I mean".

It may not be much of a diet but good local farm veggies traded for a steer can go a long way.  And if the veggies get low, beef  with a glass of milk for dinner may get boring but better than grass and pine needles.

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As far as the knock at the door, it will go unanswered and the door will swing open to an empty residence.  All will be a bit down the road at the farm with sufficient security at the gate watching and turning away (or running off) anyone not cleared beyond that point.

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« Last Edit: August 28, 2016, 05:46:16 PM by Nemo »
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Re: SHTF - What is your Groups Plan
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2016, 07:24:29 PM »
my current location would also be empty..

At the BOL few PPL can find it... and most of our relatives are too far to realistically make it...
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Re: SHTF - What is your Groups Plan
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2016, 07:59:22 PM »
location, location, location.
don't be there.

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Re: SHTF - What is your Groups Plan
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2016, 08:05:09 PM »
Thank you gentlemen for sharing your foresightedness. :pirateThumbUp: Many of the forum members, right or wrong have not thought about this.

Now for the other folks of the forum, what is your plan? How will you address this situation? I can count easily on two hands the forum members who are not operating under total PERSEC (Personal Security) as Erick, Kbop nor Nemo are.

So what is your SOP on this issue?

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Re: SHTF - What is your Groups Plan
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2016, 09:15:46 PM »
You are correct, not on total persec.  I am looking around the area a bit for those who may be of a similar mind and have found a few.

But in general I do maintain a reasonable cloak of opsec.

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Re: SHTF - What is your Groups Plan
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2016, 10:17:43 PM »
Of the people we know who know we prep, I would expect maybe five or six might actually come to us.  Of those, most of them Mr. WPW and I have already decided we'd take in.  The others would really depend on the circumstances.  We're not exactly quiet about the homesteading thing, and I think most folks could read between the lines about emergency preparedness stuff. 

If those come who we don't want, and they won't take no for an answer, well... I'm not sure how we'd handle that.

BTW, interesting scenario, JM!
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Re: SHTF - What is your Groups Plan
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2016, 10:22:44 AM »
Thx Wellie. Yes it is one of many scenarios that could come our way or anywhere in the world for that matter.

Our groups consensus on this subject is:

When I ask the SHTF question of friends and family, many say, "Heck we are coming to your redoubt." My brother or I immediately say, "Don't plan on coming to our door without a years worth of food for all of your family." 95% of the time, they laugh nervously and change the topic. There is NO wishy washy response from us.

We have all agreed that if that 5% does show up, we would give them some food/fuel as charity BUT send them away with a warning. "If you come back we will shoot you." Now will that actually happen I do not know. As mentioned earlier, this decision was a consensus not a unanimous decision.

My brother and I have also taken the action of inviting folks to the cabin under the disguise of "a weekend visit"; However, in effect, we are interviewing potential new tribe members.

To be quite frank, out off many invites only one couple has made the grade.

Many couples (Family units) have issues that would NOT BE GOOD during a SHTF drama. I will describe the most recent visit.

The family is your typical American family. Man/wife in their mid 40's with a teenager daughter and a golden lab.

Dad is a great hunter (Far better than any of us) and could have easily played McGyver on the TV driver of the same name. He offered to help at ever chance he could. One night he even did the dishes.

Wife, has no skills other than data entry. Complained the whole time about work, family, friends, etc. You know the type, "Everybody is against me."

Daughter was GREAT! Was up for a long hike. Liked to shoot. VERY polite. Was interested in all aspects of the redoubt. Helpful volunteered often on chores around the cabin.

The dog, well I was thinking of grabbing a .22 and putting it down after the first 24 hours. No obedience training, what so ever. Mmmmm - I wonder how you could cook dog?

So because of the wife (Bad attitude) not to mention the dog, they were scratched off our potential list. Bummer as dad & daughter hit the mark PLUS.

I am sharing our SOP and some experiences in hopes you will share yours. If you do not have a SOP for this drama, maybe it is time for you to come up with one. Hopefully, all of our input, thoughts and questions will help others to come up with their SOP's too.

Thanks.

 
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Re: SHTF - What is your Groups Plan
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2016, 02:30:27 PM »
You do have a serious point.  in the case of a SHTF, my best bet is a security plan for our local neighborhood.   We are luck geographically with only one main road in and more than 10 miles from an interstate.  if i wanted to give out charity, i could donate it to a local church and point any refugees at that. 
for family, friends and neighbors come asking - that is a tough one.  One i avoid at my own risk.  I should really put some thought behind it.  waiting until it happens would be a recipe for disaster on top of the SHTF.

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Re: SHTF - What is your Groups Plan
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2016, 09:31:04 PM »
Thank you Kbop.

I think giving supplies to a local church for distribution is a GREAT idea. Send refugees (Friends, family and just the walking dead) there That way you take the pressure off your redoubt. :bravo:

Silence IMO means you don't want to think about it.

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« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2016, 04:57:58 PM »
I have been of the mind to reply to this topic, yet my reply may be pretty complex.

I need to do some thinking to make a coherent reply here on this.

As some may know. I tend to have the opinion that the modern day prepped has a place as the replacement for the leadership of the past Civil Defender Corps.

 I am not saying that the modern day prepper should take the responsibility to feed the local community. I do however advocate the modern prepper acting as a trusted advisor to their community to get things together.

Like I said I need to think about a reply to the discussion on  plans.

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« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2016, 07:55:48 PM »
I am not saying that the modern day prepper should take the responsibility to feed the local community. I do however advocate the modern prepper acting as a trusted advisor to their community to get things together.

I agree with you completely on that.  But I (along with you methinks) wonder how to get the community to realize some around town have a little better idea on how to deal with issues than the vast unwashed masses.

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« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2016, 08:47:34 PM »
I am not saying that the modern day prepper should take the responsibility to feed the local community. I do however advocate the modern prepper acting as a trusted advisor to their community to get things together.

I agree with you completely on that.  But I (along with you methinks) wonder how to get the community to realize some around town have a little better idea on how to deal with issues than the vast unwashed masses.

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That is the big question that I struggle to find a coherent answer to.

As I said I need to think a bunch on how to provide a good answer.

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« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2016, 10:54:40 PM »
That was the problem I had with the book Prepping for a Suburban or Rural Community.  It's a GREAT idea to get your town prepped, but how the heck do you motivate people?  I can barely get my own family/close friends to agree (outside Mr. WPW who is of course on board with all this) that prepping is important.  How on earth could I get the whole town to work on this stuff?  It'd be a full-time job and it'd be a near impossible one, too.
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« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2016, 06:12:39 AM »
I do not think there is any realistic way to get a community prepared.

My views are more aligned to the post Shtf time period. After the initial hit and much unfortunate die-off. Then is the time for Preppers to carefully advise the community on what they need to do to continue to survive.

I hope that makes sense...

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« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2016, 08:06:27 AM »
I read what you are saying Gadget. We have discussed this at great length and I applaud your desire to want to help your community.

Helping your community ahead of an event is a good defensive move. It is like prepping, just in a different gear.

Getting back to the original thread...I do understand this is a tough discussion, that is why I am forcing the issue.  :cheers:
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Re: SHTF - What is your Groups Plan
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2016, 10:50:37 AM »
The way its going around here I need you all to make a way to get here.  I have access to and leadership (if neede) of 400 acres carrying about 100 prime angus cattle and 2 old women willing to teach how its done.  All primarily grass fed and mighty fine tasting.

Has a good water stream flowing down through the middle and several structures that could easily house 40-60 people.  Far enough out of town to be mostly unknown, difficult to find unless you know where to cut through the roadside overgrowth and through enough woods to a fair bit of open area to make it at least reasonably defensible.

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Re: SHTF - What is your Groups Plan
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2016, 01:19:31 PM »
 Preppers keep an eye and ear on what's happening and will be the first to notice a  financial collapse, or other serious problems and will be the first to hit the banks.
Then the supermarkets,gas stations gun shops and other places to get last minute supplies.
 Only my oldest stepson knows I prep that's because he does too. I would welcome him, his wife and daughter (both are registered nurses) with open arms.
 Our family,s would have to travel over 100miles with two main bridges and many small ones to get here. By the time they realize it's time to get out it will be to late.
 
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« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2016, 09:23:08 PM »
JoJo you bring up another big issue with expecting people to show up on your doorstep if you're far apart.  Traveling when cars aren't an option for whatever reason is harder than most people realize.  It's far more dangerous to walk or take a bicycle. 
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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2016, 09:21:57 AM »
Great point!   As far as people just "showing up",  I have a very small group that I would be expecting and we all have comms so I would know they are coming (as per planned).  I dont like to talk much about my preps outside of my small trusted group. That said there are always some extended family or other that know I actively shoot and train that use the "I know where Im going" line.  I simply say that if I dont know your coming dont just show up, my rifles are zeroed and my property is ranged.  As Johny mentioned they get the nervous laugh, then when they see Im not they change the subject.
 

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« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2016, 01:08:14 PM »
OK.... Time to construct a coherent reply to the thread.

We have not fully discussed the scenario you have described JM.

We face a few challenges at the moment.

Positionally we are at a disadvantage here. We live in an urban area on an island nation that is population dense.

For the next 12 months we are working of an altered set of plans. After that we will have moved to the Isle of Wight and the whole plan changes and becomes so much safer.

ATM .... very few know we prep and that will not be changing.

An unchanged part of our plan is to bug-in and stay quiet until the storm front passes. Depending on the SHTF scenario this can vary in terms of length.

If it is a slow financial collapse then we are going to do the gray man thing for as long as possible.

When the time is right we will slowly and carefully try and do the trusted advisory thing for the local community. This is the part that makes me the most worried. Never the less we will see what we can do.

In terms of preps we are concentrating on having what is required to sustain a good dozen people (of which I hope at least 4 are fighting capable) for a few years. This is what I feel is a good minimum to start with. We will not be having an open door policy. We have a short list of people that we trust that may enter that group.

For the next 12 months we are insuring that we are able to be mobile if required (get out of the city or our neighborhood).

Once we get to the island we are good and can shelter in place.

Oh and I forgot. We are currently putting together a few crates that will allow any medical professional we may let in to set up a mini hospital or clinic.

At some point I will be publishing a file of a data DVD that can be handed to local leadership that has the information and documents that will provide knowledge that can be used to help communities survive and rebuild.

Cheers all.
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« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2016, 09:07:52 AM »
What's the gray man thing?
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« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2016, 11:01:53 AM »
WPW

Simplied, the gray man is the person that you "dont see".  Being grey means you dont stick out or draw attention to yourself. As an example when you see the guy walking around wearing 5.11 pants, riggers belt, glock tshirt, and hat with molon labe patch on the front (tactical guy uniform) they draw attention.  If you were a bad guy that wanted to eliminate a possible threat/problem 1st would you go after him or me (khaki shorts, tshirt with loose plaid collared shirt over it and flip flops) first.  This gives me the serious advantage as in many cases cool tactical guy that is broadcasting he is probably carrying gives me time and space to find cove, move or deal with the threat.  This example is just a microcosm.

The person that is overtly a prepper and basically broadcasts that they will be ok  when thing go wrong and "everyone else" is screwed is drawing a ton of unwanted attention. When things do go sideways all those people will be at his door at best looking for handouts, at worst taking what he worked so hard for.  Whereas the prepper that practices some level of OPSEC and doesnt draw attention to what they are doing is more likely to be passed by.

Again this is just a simplification of the concept.

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« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2016, 03:02:31 PM »
Great job CJS! :thumbsUp:

I would like to add: When we first started hanging out up at the redoubt, my brother and I wore sailing type casual wear. Plaid shorts or khaki slacks , Izod shirt or button down blue shirt to cover our shooter, boat shoes no socks or flip flops.

The locals here stared at us especially when we went into the local wateringhole.

Then we started to dress like locals. Carhartt jeans or shorts, t-shirt with a cover shirt usually camo to cover our handgun, boots or simple sneakers. All topped with a camo ball cap. I will say the ball cap does have a Unchainedpreppers patch on the front though.  ;)

Anyhow, the locals stopped staring at us and have accepted us as one of their own. Now we go into the local wateringhole and people greet us like old lost friends and actually buy us a Yuengling or two.

Bottom-line we became part of the community ala Grey Man/Men.
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« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2016, 07:42:22 PM »
JMac I've been threatening to get a ball cap but the women love my long (not that long) white hair and white stash. :lmfao:
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