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Suggestions for Inexpensive Thermal Rifle Scope?
« on: August 27, 2022, 11:30:47 PM »
    I'm looking for a low budget (under $2500) thermal rifle scope.  We have some night vision scopes, but I'd like to add thermal to the mix.  We have handheld thermal devices, and they work great, but it would be best to have a thermal scope specifically made to attach to a rifle.  The thermal device and rifle would be used primarily for predator hunting, at a range of less than 200 yards.  Rifle caliber up to .308.

     So, if anyone has had positive or bad experience with a particular brand and model, please report your experiences.  Thank you!

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Re: Suggestions for Inexpensive Thermal Rifle Scope?
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2022, 07:25:42 AM »
I would be curious too.
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Re: Suggestions for Inexpensive Thermal Rifle Scope?
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2022, 03:33:23 PM »
Kind of funny, I was just thinking about this last week.

I've been researching https://www.atncorp.com/x-sight4k-pro-day-night-rifle-scope-3-14x

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Re: Suggestions for Inexpensive Thermal Rifle Scope?
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2022, 03:37:25 PM »
$700- not a bad price.
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Re: Suggestions for Inexpensive Thermal Rifle Scope?
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2022, 05:29:28 PM »
     Thank you for the suggestion, Obh.  I'm not real enthused about ATN products, mostly because of their past history with software glitches in their products.  I'm looking for a basic thermal scope, which doesn't have too many features that I won't use, like blue tooth streaming, a built-in video recording, etc.  The ATN X-Sight which was posted,  is actually a digital night vision scope, it's not a thermal scope.  I've already got some digital night vision scopes, which work okay, but I prefer the non-digital night vision scopes, as they perform better in low level light, without an IR light source.  Thermal scopes also don't need a supplementary light source, like the digital night vision devices. I suggest doing an internet search for "ATN Thor 4 Blank Screen/Freezing", there's a reason why ATN products are so inexpensive.

     One of the models that I've been looking at is an AGM Rattler, which comes in several different versions depending upon resolution.  https://nightvisionguys.com/home-nvg/agm-rattler-ts25-384-compact-short-medium-range-thermal-imaging-rifle-scope-384x288-50-hz-25-mm-lens     There's also a less expensive Rattler model which runs about $1200.  Another source for the AGM Rattler, with many reviews: https://outdoorlegacygear.com/collections/under-2-000-thermal-rifle-scopes/products/agm-rattler-ts25-384-1-5-12x-thermal-rifle-scope

     There's a lot of information out there to weed through.

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Re: Suggestions for Inexpensive Thermal Rifle Scope?
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2022, 08:20:48 PM »
Have been looking at thermal myself - superior to ambient light NV most of the time according to people who have the background and usage for high believability.
Besides image/refresh qualities, I also want/need the scope to have or adapt to quality quick connect onto picatinny rail AND stored ballistic profiles (at least three).
WHY -
I want a thermal that can hold zero (my current quick connect for regular scope does well) when it is swapped between uppers - 5.56 and 300 Blackout.
Further, it must retain zero  for selected loads/upper - 5.56 high velocity, 300 Blackout high velocity and 300 subsonic.
SO far, haven't found anything with those features below around 3.5k, _maybe_ a little lower...
And of course, time may be "of the essence".    Supply chains and bureaucrats may not leave the door open forever.

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Re: Suggestions for Inexpensive Thermal Rifle Scope?
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2022, 08:09:07 PM »
A good quality Thermal Scope under $3k will be a hard find.  I believe Armasight had some options that were close but to be honest I havnt looked in a long while.  I have used a couple of their models and was definitely impressed. 

I use mainly a Trijicon IR Patrol that was a SHOT display a couple of years back. Even then it was a little over the $3k range. 

I prefer the IR for observation and identification or in zero light.  For precision I still prefer the CNVD-LR with WP tube in front of my day scope. They both have their strengths and weaknesses.

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Re: Suggestions for Inexpensive Thermal Rifle Scope?
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2022, 09:42:29 PM »
     Thank you for the information, Chris.  A Trijicon is definitely not within my budget. ;D  However, from my reading, it looks like manufacturers have improved their low-end offerings over the past couple of years.  Too bad FLIR got out of the consumer market, they have an office not too far away.

      I have some handheld thermal scopes, and they are very useful.  Typically, the handheld thermal scopes are used for spotting, and then I transition to a night-vision equipment rifle.  I'd like to have a decent thermal scope dedicated to one rifle, so the target can be acquired and positively identified, without the need for any kind of transition.  A good example is nocturnal hog hunting, where the thermal rifle scopes really demonstrate their worth.  Predators in my immediate area include black bears, coyotes, and bobcats, haven't seen any hogs yet.

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Re: Suggestions for Inexpensive Thermal Rifle Scope?
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2022, 09:53:35 PM »
_IF_ a good thermal (Good= ID of target at substantial distance) can be afforded...
And IF its quick-connect mounting maintains reliable zero...
... what are thoughts on using the scope for surveillance/observation, subsequent mounting on weapon should a shooting solution become viable. ??????

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Re: Suggestions for Inexpensive Thermal Rifle Scope?
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2022, 05:39:34 PM »
NightGoggles.com has a couple of options that are supposed to be very good for their price.  I do not have direct experience with these but from people that I respect that have nothing to gain from it, I have been told they are worth considering.

Night Goggles is a division of TNVC which is a very ggod company in the NV/Thhermal game.

https://www.nightgoggles.com/shop/thermal/bering-optics-super-hogster-a3-thermal-sight-2-9-11-6x35mm/
https://www.nightgoggles.com/shop/thermal/thermal-scopes/bering-optics-hogster-vibe-thermal-sight-1-4-5-6x25mm/
https://www.nightgoggles.com/shop/thermal/bering-optics-super-hogster-a3-thermal-sight-2-9-11-6x35mm-qd-mount/

I dont have any direct experience with these other than good reports. I figured I would pass these along to everyone here.

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Re: Suggestions for Inexpensive Thermal Rifle Scope?
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2022, 06:35:43 PM »
   Thanks again, Chris. The Hogster Vibe is on my short list of possible purchases.  Like you said, I've only heard positive things about Bering Optics products.  In the mean time, I ordered a Ruger American .308 rifle, like this: https://ruger.com/products/americanRifleGoWild/specSheets/26926.html

    The plan is to install a suppressor and top it off with a thermal sight.  The rifle will be the least expensive item in the package.  It should work well on the local predators.

    Felix, I wouldn't want to get involved with trying to properly mount the thermal scope in the dark, after using it as a spotting scope.  There are too many things that could go wrong during the transition.  In the past, I've used the thermal for spotting, and then went to the night vision scope already mounted on the rifle.  Thermal is ideal for initially spotting animals.  For instance, I was able to spot a bobcat very easily with a handheld thermal scope, but it was difficult to locate the same animal with the night vision scope. 

    Nemo, that's an interesting caliber.  I wonder how it compares with the .50 BMG round, as far as noise.  I don't dare use the .50BMG in my little backyard range because I'm sure I'd get complaints.  So far, no one has complained, even when the local MAG comes over to practice, but folks are just using AR's, sub-machine guns and a few shotguns. 

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Re: Suggestions for Inexpensive Thermal Rifle Scope?
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2022, 06:57:42 PM »
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Those are great rifles for the $$$. That will make a great harvester of game.  I dont know which can you are going with, but my suggestion is a direct thread. Dont go with a muzzle device mount type unless you plan on switching between rifles frequently.

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Re: Suggestions for Inexpensive Thermal Rifle Scope?
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2022, 07:50:42 PM »
   Thanks again, Chris. The Hogster Vibe is on my short list of possible purchases.  Like you said, I've only heard positive things about Bering Optics products.  In the mean time, I ordered a Ruger American .308 rifle, like this: https://ruger.com/products/americanRifleGoWild/specSheets/26926.html

    The plan is to install a suppressor and top it off with a thermal sight.  The rifle will be the least expensive item in the package.  It should work well on the local predators.

    Felix, I wouldn't want to get involved with trying to properly mount the thermal scope in the dark, after using it as a spotting scope.  There are too many things that could go wrong during the transition.  In the past, I've used the thermal for spotting, and then went to the night vision scope already mounted on the rifle.  Thermal is ideal for initially spotting animals.  For instance, I was able to spot a bobcat very easily with a handheld thermal scope, but it was difficult to locate the same animal with the night vision scope. 

    Nemo, that's an interesting caliber.  I wonder how it compares with the .50 BMG round, as far as noise.  I don't dare use the .50BMG in my little backyard range because I'm sure I'd get complaints.  So far, no one has complained, even when the local MAG comes over to practice, but folks are just using AR's, sub-machine guns and a few shotguns.

Yes, I can imagine how things might come to grief in darkness where eyes have not had time to adjust from low light to almost no light.
However, braille and "muscle memory" have proven track records.
Methinks I should simply try/practice mounting/dismounting present scope with its quick connects in total dark and go with the honest test results.   Counting grooves on a picatinny should not be an insurmountable start.  We'll see.
I'll begin tonight.

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Re: Suggestions for Inexpensive Thermal Rifle Scope?
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2022, 11:27:11 PM »
Jackalope

Those are great rifles for the $$$. That will make a great harvester of game.  I dont know which can you are going with, but my suggestion is a direct thread. Dont go with a muzzle device mount type unless you plan on switching between rifles frequently.

Chris

     Yes, I agree, Chris.  I've got a Silencerco Hybrid 46, with several direct thread adapters.  I've been really pleased with the Hybrid, as it's very versatile.  I've used it on 9mm, 5.56 and .308.  I just need to remember to change the muzzle adapters and the exit adapters for the appropriate caliber.  So far, so good... :boltAction: :dancingBanana:

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Re: Suggestions for Inexpensive Thermal Rifle Scope?
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2022, 09:33:34 AM »
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That is a nice Can!  :lmfao: I have a couple of friends that use those.  Super flexible for various calibers.  I use mainly Deadair cans for a similar reason.  I use the same cans on my 5.56, 6.5and .30 cal rifles.....no 9mm unfortunately.  I have recently ben considering a direct thread can for my 6.5 Bolt Gun, but for now I am still doing the musical chairs.

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Re: Suggestions for Inexpensive Thermal Rifle Scope?
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2022, 11:27:00 AM »
 Chris,

    I've got a couple of .22 cans, one commercial, and one DIY.  The DIY suppressor is much quieter than the commercial one, but it's twice as long and twice as heavy.  Suppressors really shine when using .22, the DIY suppressor is quieter than a BB gun. 

    I need to save up the pennies to buy a suppressor for our shotguns.   Used a suppressed Keltec KSG while visiting Windham Arms, it was awesome.

    All of my suppressors are direct thread, it seems to be the most efficient way to make the connection.