Nevada Rancher Bundy Info Post Here

[Kentactic]

Hours up. 2 fed cars just drove passed. Might be checking the firepower before they come arrest bundy. Thats my random guess. See what happens.

[Kentactic]

Were going to get back the stolen cattle. Bundy intends to run all his cattle free again and he will be provided militia security.

UPDATE: The supporters arrive on location first (first problem) and the BLM arrested as many as they could (supposedly confirmed via white mountain militia).

So now its unknown if bundy intends to go over there with security. Still standing by.

[Kentactic]

A lot has happened today. One militia is up and leaving and told me he recommends I do the same as there are currently agents hunting us down I would imagine for arrest.

[gapatriot]

Arrest for what? What are the numbers like out there (on both sides)? And why are guys tucking tail? This is the time true colors show. God I wish I could get out there! You are in the making of history my friend.

[gapatriot]

Btw do you have the REM and the ghillie you would make great over watch/ counter sniper.

[Kentactic]

I have a lot to think about... im feeling defeated. If THIS is the best America has we need to fucking give up. So many talk such a bad talk but where are they? This place should be overflowing with gun toting badass mother fuckers.

[Kentactic]

Arrest for what? What are the numbers like out there (on both sides)? And why are guys tucking tail? This is the time true colors show. God I wish I could get out there! You are in the making of history my friend.

I think somebody forgot the pen to write that history. In my honest opinion at this moment the history has been made to say that America is dead or near death and nothing short of the hand of god can change it.
 Today I know a handful of men here that would do anything for America including give their life. But they are outnumbered in the hundreds to one, even here, by the people who have sucked on so much damn fluoride they dont know revolution from a hole in the ground. Dont be fooled these people are here and they talk revolution. But when standing up actually needs to happen they sit their ass down and start talking shit to the few who are standing.

[gapatriot]

Shit dude you are a 3 day drive away from me. I think honestly both sides are at fault. The .gov more so... Dude has a chopper and over a mil in cattle, he can afford to pay. But the .gov has showed their ass on this. This ain't randy weaver, it ain't some dude just minding his own business and trying to keep his family warm and fed. And me being me I love that someone is poking the .gov in the eye. But honestly there are very few people that will stand up. My old saying bread and circus ie beer and football. I won't send money to support but I will send ammo and weapons. But come Monday the crowd will clear out with the exception of the real pats.

[sledge]

No mistake.  History was made.  People banded together in protest and the gov backed down at least temporarily.  If the total fed were under more of a nationwide protest different orders would have come down. 

This was a victory and you were part of it.  It will be listed in the books as paving the way for more protests against gov overreach in the future.

Well done Sir.

[JohnyMac]

I have been varnishing wall trim all day and have missed most of the drama. Started live streaming Fox at 6:00P local and heard that the BLM blinked. Great job ken and all that made there way out there.

Two things:

1) I hope that there is a debriefing going on to figure out where the Patriots screwed up and can do better
    in the future, e.g. coms, latrines, roles of the patriots, etc., and
2) The BLM will be back to perform a Blitzkrieg so Patriots can not rally. 

Like so many before me have more eloquently written - You were a part of history. You unlike many,  you got off your butt and showed up. Thank you kentactic! 

[Kentactic]

Weve got a 7pm meeting planned. I dont know if were going to all slap each other on the ass and say good game or if were going to go to some sort of phase 2. The mission is not complete as far as the initial plan that was stated to us in tge beginning. At this point this area is no different then any other BLM land. The leverage for a fight is gone. The feds gave up. But they still illegally claim 24% of america as theirs. That fight can take place anywhere in the country just as well as here.

I have learned a GREAT deal here. I will give my AAR when I get a chance.

[JohnyMac]

Thanks Ken.

[Nemo]

Things to think about.

Nemo

Rancher speaks on behalf of Cliven -snipers surround his ranch- is this STILL AMERICA?

[Kentactic]

Well I will be staying atleast for part of tomorrow. New and serious guys have showed up. They just took a while to get here from far away. There was a very serious talk 30 minutes ago. The local PD have began to patrol as I suspected they would.

Some guys are saying its looking like Waco Texas.

Cant say more but this ain't over yet. Going to bed.

PS its windier then fuck and were camped on moon dust

PS Put duct tape over your radio lights...

[crudos]

This was a copy and paste from FB, not sure who the original author(s) are/were and I make no guarantee on it's authenticity...

At 1750 hours ET, I was contacted by my source within the Department of Homeland Security regarding the current situation at the Bundy Ranch. To put it bluntly, the people are being hoodwinked into believing that the situation is being resolved. It is not. It is a strategic de-escalation to fool the public. This source stated that the retreat of the BLM agents and the release of the cattle was actually crafted as a potential plan yesterday (Friday, 11 April 2014) based on the following:

1. A military assessment of satellite and drone surveillance imagery of the “patriot resistance. Drones under the control of the U.S. military were in use, taking real-time photographic images of not just the activity at the ranch, but "identifying the protesters, any arms and any supplies they might have or be carrying. “Mission accomplished.”

2. Real-time communication intercepts between patriots on-site and their off-site support;

3. Active monitoring of internet traffic regarding the coverage of events at ranch;

4. The monitoring of real-time video from the scene.

This source stated that a response by the patriot movement was anticipated, although exceeded their expectations. Although this was a real operation, they also ran this as a test case for future government operations once they saw the response. They were also actively managing the media, in some cases threatening to cut off White House access to anyone covering the event.

Despite this, the coverage by the alternative media began to create a public relations problem that was not easily managed. Note the lack of acknowledgment by the White House regarding this event. They are intentionally framing it as a state issue, despite the fact that all federal response has been and continues to be from the White House. There is a reason for this – a reason that has not been identified in any of the public reports to date. I will explain in further detail in a follow-up report on Sunday, after this source attends [redacted] to obtain more specific information about future federal operations. Regardless, according to this source, the government will take back ‘their land’ as they must to fulfill international obligations. It was never about grazing rights or anything other than (1) “securing clear title” to the land, and (2) further demonizing any patriotic resistance. It is my understanding, based on the information from this source, that it is a critical task to create a situation that will also advance their agenda of gun control and confiscation.

A more detailed report will follow on Sunday, 13 April 2014, with additional and much more specific information about their inside plans and future operations.PLEASE MAKE THIS VIRAL!
‪#‎OathBeforeOrders‬

[JohnyMac]

Well daaaaah!

To think that the government wasn't taking down numbers and names is to be VERY naïve.

Upon leaving the field of battle, the BLM, DHS and other Federal alphabet soups had a debriefing not unlike I use to facilitate post the completion of a large project. The purpose of the debrief was to outline the things that went well and the things that didn't go well.

Then to brainstorm on the things that didn't go well to fix ahead of time for the next large project.

I would hope that the Freedom Fighters are doing the exact same thing in NV. and around the country.

Lets face it...This is going to happen again somewhere around the country, sometime - Sooner than later.

We all know that the BLM isn't going away concerning this specific incident - They will be back and execute on a new plan. For what ever reason it is, the Federal Government wants that land.  And to a lesser degree they want "control."

The egotistic bureaucrat in the state house or in DC, wants to push "their" power as far as they can. This was just one battle in a long war ahead. A battle that will be coming to a AO near you. 
 

[gapatriot]

No updates? Has anyone heard from Kenny I don't have his number anymore. Do we need to come up with bail money?

[JohnyMac]

Nope GAP he is fine. He is just hanging around for a few extra days to see what is happening next. Hopefully he will report back to the forum. 

[Nemo]

I give Glenn Beck a fair amount of credibility.  He investigates and answers 7 questions.  Unless he is controlled by the feds and they are trying to bluff us all out. 

Nemo

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/13/is-harry-reid-involved-seven-answers-to-seven-questions-youre-probably-asking-right-now-about-the-nevada-rancher-situation/

Is Harry Reid Involved? Seven Answers to Seven Questions You’re Probably Asking Right Now About the Nevada Rancher Situation
Apr. 13, 2014 10:39am Becket Adams

Government officials retreated Saturday from federal property in Gold Butte, Nev., leaving behind some 389 “trespass cattle” that had been impounded as the result of a decades-long dispute between a local rancher and the U.S. government.

But while the story has managed to capture the attention of thousands of Americans, it has also managed to confuse thousands more. Indeed, from questions regarding property rights to whether a Democratic senator was involved in the cattle roundup, many have been left wondering what it’s all about and searching for the facts.

So in an effort to provide some clarity on the ongoing developments in Gold Butte, here are some answers to the seven main questions people have asked about the decades-long fight between 67-year-old rancher Cliven Bundy and the federal government:

7. Does Sen. Harry Reid have a connection to the Bureau of Land Management?

In a way, yes.

The new head of the Bureau of Land Management recently served as senior policy adviser to Nevada’s Democratic Sen. Harry Reid.

Neil Kornze, 35, left Reid’s office (where he managed public land issues) in 2011 to join the Bureau of Land Management as senior adviser to the director. He later became the deputy director for policy and programs in 2013.

The U.S. Senate then voted 71-28 on April 8, 2014, to confirm Kornze as the new director of the agency.

6. Is Harry Reid working with the Chinese to force the Bundys out?

The facts don’t support it.

Reid and his son, Rory, were both deeply involved in a deal with the Chinese-owned ENN Energy Group to build a $5 billion solar farm in Laughlin, Nevada. But that is roughly 177 miles away from Bundy’s 150-acre ranch in Bunkerville, Nev., and 213 miles from the federally owned Gold Butte area where Bundy ‘s cattle graze, according to Google Maps.
Image source: Google Maps

Image source: Google Maps

It’s worth noting that Rory Reid is the former chair of the Clark County commission (Clark County is located near the Gold Butte area). He left in 2011 to work for a Las Vega law firm representing ENN.

But despite the Reids’ best attempts to secure the land for ENN, and despite the Bureau of Land Management expressing concerns that “trespass cattle” could complicate plans to use land in the Gold Butte area for “offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development,” it was all in vain: The Chinese company eventually shelved the project in June 2013 when it failed to find a customer. The deal is over and the proposed construction will not happen.

5. So Who Owns the Land in Question?

The federal government owns the disputed land and has claimed ownership since before Nevada even joined the union, according to a 2013 U.S. District Court ruling.

“[T]he public lands in Nevada are the property of the United States because the United States has held title to those public lands since 1848, when Mexico ceded the land to the United States,” the ruling states, confirming the federal government’s longstanding claim that it lawfully acquired ownership of the land under the Treaty of the Guadalupe Hidalgo.

The court rejected Bundy’s repeated claim to having an intergenerational right to use the land as invalid and said his arguments against federal ownership carry no legal weight.

“Bundy has produced no valid law or specific facts raising a genuine issue of fact regarding federal ownership or management of public lands in Nevada,” the decision reads.

It’s important to note that like most states, in its constitution Nevada recognizes federal authority over public lands:

    That the people inhabiting said territory do agree and declare, that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within said territory, and that the same shall be and remain at the sole and entire disposition of the United States; and that lands belonging to citizens of the United States, residing without the said state, shall never be taxed higher than the land belonging to the residents thereof; and that no taxes shall be imposed by said state on lands or property therein belonging to, or which may hereafter be purchased by, the United States, unless otherwise provided by the congress of the United States. [Amended in 1956. Proposed and passed by the 1953 legislature; agreed to and passed by the 1955 legislature; approved and ratified by the people at the 1956 general election. See: Statutes of Nevada 1953, p. 718; Statutes of Nevada 1955, p. 926.]

In 1934, Congress enacted the Taylor Grazing Act, giving the federal government the authority to regulate grazing on the public lands in an effort to improve rangeland conditions.

Twelve years later, the General Land Office and Grazing Service were combined to form the Bureau of Land Management, which has been given the authority to regulate public lands, including nearly 600,000 acres in Gold Butte.

Lastly, it’s worth remembering Nevada joined the union in 1864. Bundy’s family didn’t start working the Clark Country area until the late 1880s.

Here’s the 2013 court ruling against Bundy:

This section has been updated.

4. Did Mr. Bundy ever recognize federal authority and pay grazing fees?

According to his daughter, yes.

Mr. Bundy has stated repeatedly in the past that he does not recognize federal authority in Gold Butte, arguing instead that the state owns the land.

However, he hasn’t always taken such a strong stance against federal ownership of land located inside Nevada’s border. In fact, Bundy used to pay the Bureau of Land Management’s grazing fees “for years,” according to his daughter, Shiree Bundy Cox, but stopped in 1993 when he decided it wasn’t in his best interest.

“My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the [Bureau of Land Management] until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve. Instead they began using these [sic] money’s against the ranchers,” she wrote in a blog post dated April 11, 2014. “They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with they’re [sic] own grazing fees. When they offered to buy my dad out for a penence [sic] he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren’t doing their job.”

By “fired,” Cox means her father stopped paying the federal grazing fees.

Her post continues, claiming Cliven Bundy tried at one point to send grazing fee payments to the county instead of the Washington, D.C., but was turned down by local officials.

“So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes,” she wrote.

An interesting note: When federal agents first deployed last week to shut down Gold Butte, Bundy did several interviews with well-known media outlets, including ABC News, Fox News and the L.A. Times.

TheBlaze also spoke with him for nearly an hour.

He never mentioned trying to make grazing fee payments to the county or being turned away by local officials. His explanations for using the land focused almost entirely on his so-called “pre-emptive rights,” which include the right to forage.

It wasn’t until Friday, more than a week after federal agents started impounding his “trespass cattle,” that Bundy started talking about trying to pay the county.

TheBlaze has not yet contacted the Clark County clerk’s office to confirm whether Bundy tried to make payment. We will include that information in this story when we receive it.

3. Is the Bundy cattle fight really all about a desert tortoise?

Several observers have suggested that the fight between Bundy and the federal government revolves around an endangered tortoise. Although there’s some truth to this claim, it lacks important context.

Here’s a timeline of events:

    1993: The Lake Mead National Recreation Area for the National Park Service reduce the number of cattle that could graze on the Bunkerville allotment “to 150 because of the emergency listing of the desert tortoise as an endangered species,” according to a formal agency official.
    1993: Bundy “fires” the BLM.
    1994: The Fish and Wildlife Service formally identifies Gold Butte as an area “critical to the long-term survival of the desert tortoise.”
    1994: Federal officials revoke Bundy’s grazing permit for failure to pay and failure to reduce the number of his cattle. The Bunkerville allotment is closed to grazing.
    1998: The Bureau of Land Management closes off the Gold Butte area to cattle.
    2013: The Bureau of Land Management announces plans to euthanize ”hundreds” of tortoises due to budget restrictions

Gold Butte being turned into a cattle-free zone wasn’t exactly sudden. It was a few years in the making, which brings us to our next question.

This section has been updated.

2. Were the ranchers really chased off and forced into bankruptcy?

Were all the other ranchers in the area of Clark County really “chased off” and, as Cox (Bundy’s daughter) put it, forced into bankruptcy by the federal government?

It’s not clear.

After the federal government agreed to designate the area for the endangered animal, Clark County purchased all “valid existing grazing permits for Gold Butte, paying $375,000 to retire them for the benefit of the tortoise.”
MESQUITE, NV - APRIL 11: Armed security guards guard the entrance to Rancher Cliven Bundy ranch house on April 11, 2014 west of Mesquite, Nevada. Bureau of Land Management officials are rounding up Cliven Bundy's cattle, he has been locked in a dispute with the BLM for a couple of decades over grazing rights. George Frey/Getty Images

MESQUITE, NV – APRIL 11: Armed security guards guard the entrance to Rancher Cliven Bundy ranch house on April 11, 2014 west of Mesquite, Nevada (AP)

Ordinarily, this would be considered a simple buyout, which is obviously different from being “forced into bankruptcy” or being priced out entirely. However, as Cox wrote, the ranchers were bought off with their “own grazing fees,” suggesting they made no net gain from turning over their permits.

TheBlaze will request clarification from the Clark County clerk’s office as soon as possible to help explain this question.

1. Did the Feds Overreact?

Contract cowboys and hundreds of armed federal agents descended on the publicly held property last week, bringing with them dozens of retrofitted SUVs, helicopters and heavy duty hauling equipment (the Bundy family claims the government also deployed snipers and “heavy artillery,” but these claims have not been confirmed by secondary sources).

This prompted the obvious question: How did this go from a property dispute to something featuring plenty of armed agents and even a Bundy relative being tased?
Contractors for the Bureau of Land Management round up cattle belonging to Cliven Bundy with a helicopter near Bunkerville, Nev. Monday, April 7, 2014. The Bureau of Land Management has begun to round up what they call "trespass cattle" that rancher Cliven Bundy has been grazing in the Gold Butte area 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas. (AP Photo/Las Vegas Review-Journal, John Locher) AP Photo/Las Vegas Review-Journal, John Locher

Contractors for the Bureau of Land Management round up cattle belonging to Cliven Bundy with a helicopter near Bunkerville, Nev. Monday, April 7, 2014 Vegas. (AP)

Consider that there has been a lot of saber-rattling rhetoric being used.

For instance, Bundy once casually told reporters in an interview that he keeps several firearms at his ranch, adding that he would do “whatever it takes” to protect his cattle.

“I’ve got to protect my property … If people come to monkey with what’s mine, I’ll call the county sheriff. If that don’t work, I’ll gather my friends and kids and we’ll try to stop it. I abide by all state laws. But I abide by almost zero federal laws,” he said in reference to what he repeatedly calls a “range war.”

Bundy has also regularly invoked Waco, Texas, and Ruby Ridge, claiming often and loudly that he’s the “last cowboy standing.”

Even his wife, Carol, said in an interview: “I’ve got a shotgun … It’s loaded and I know how to use it. We’re ready to do what we have to do, but we’d rather win this in the court of public opinion.”

And then there are the militias that showed up to support Bundy.

“This is what we do, we provide armed response,” Jim Lordy with Operation Mutual Aid told a local station. “They have guns. We need guns to protect ourselves from the tyrannical government.”

Still, the militia members and protesters insist it’s the government that became violent first with the tasing incident, as well as the mere presence of the armed federal agents. And Ammon Bundy, Cliven’s son who was tased, did restrict rifles within camp last week:

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Either way, it appears the language being used has put at least a few federal officials on edge.

“I was one of those public officials who were told to back off at one point because of concern for violence,” a former National Park Services official said in an op-ed.

In the end, the feds say they pulled back out of fear of escalating tensions, with each side likely pointing the finger at the other as the instigator.

“Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public,” Neil Kornze, the Director of the Bureau of Land Management, said Saturday in a statement. “We ask that all parties in the area remain peaceful and law-abiding as the Bureau of Land Management and National Park Service work to end the operation in an orderly manner.”

Initial estimates put the cost of the federal government’s failed attempt to remove Bundy’s “trespass cattle” at around $3 million.

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TheBlaze will continue to follow the story and bring you any updates.

[Kentactic]

I just got home guys. I left bunkerville at 1500. The DHS situation i feel at this point is false. The internet loves to hype this up in the wrong ways for views. I have contact with men still on the ground there. I said if things heat up to call me and I will return. Im only 5 hours away. The bundy family still has full retard security escorting him anywhere he may go. Typically a pickup truck with 4-6 guys in full rattle trail him or key family members if they leave the ranch. The local metro PD is on our side it seems. Weve got dudes riding in the back of trucks down the I-15 in full rattle and the metro police simply wave. They know weve taken the high point as our LPOP and ive had them wave at me when manning that aswell.

I just wanted to check in.

Ill say this though and it might sound cheesy... but this situation has changed me. Oh what the future may hold...

I got all of 10 hours sleep in 4 days and I lost 7lbs Aswell. The militia diet plan works great lol. Good night!

[Kentactic]

PS I took a quick video showing the LPOP but I dont want it on YouTube or other major sites. Any ideas?

[APX808]

You can upload it to youtube as unlisted and only people with the direct link will be able to see it, or if isn't too big you can email it.

[Burt Gummer]

PS I took a quick video showing the LPOP but I dont want it on YouTube or other major sites. Any ideas?

Zip the video file with password
Put it up in a Torrent
seed for a day or two.
Not as convenient but private and secure.

[JohnyMac]

An old boss who I have great respect for use to say, "No matter how thinly you slice the baloney, there are always two sides."

All great stuff folks.

[Burt Gummer]

I give Glenn Beck a fair amount of credibility.

http://youtu.be/JE_F3boxWqs?t=4m33s

This is the dialogue that to me exposed Beck for what he truly was. At 4:33

During that part he shows he's afraid that free markets (no government) will bring rise to evil capitalist robber barons.

That's gist of the socialist argument, for government intervention in the market.