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CrystalHunter1989

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My GOP Doubts
« on: December 03, 2011, 03:14:11 PM »
Cain just announced he's suspending his bid for the Presidency. Ron Paul has lost lots of support for defending the Occupation movement. Perry can't remember what he was supposed to say on live television. Romney...

The list goes on and on. I've always insisted that the Republicans were too hasty in launching their campaigns. They're making fools of themselves at every turn, and worst of all, splitting the vote.

You want to take down Obama in 2012? Select two candidates to run for the White House and then pick their VP running mates. Decide on a plan of action for the only issues on everyone's mind: the economy and relations with the Middle East. Stop attacking Obama for what he's done and starting advertising these plans. Don't talk about anything else, even if a completely unrelated question is asked. Forget what the rest of the party is doing and start naming who you would appoint to the various departments, and keep waving their credentials around because it shows you are bent on cleaning house.

You can't take Rome by defeating Caesar. You have to contend with Mark Antony, Octavian, and their Legions who will remain loyal to Caesar's name and ideals. As the Kennedys and Clintons have demonstrated, you don't have to be in office to hold tremendous power.

While the GOP embarrasses itself in the final weeks of 2011, Obama's propaganda machine is taking notes, gearing up for an endless barrage. When the time is right, he'll remind us of these past few months and by doing so, paint himself the stronger, and thus the only logical, candidate. 

The people will think: "Sure, his actions are questionable at best and unconstitutional at worst, but at least his administration isn't fighting against itself."

The Fast and Furious scandal won't be enough (and what good is it to force Holder out if the system itself made it possible for him to act with such impunity?). Ideally, politics is not about simply beating the other man by exposing his misdeeds, it's about proving to an anxious and fearful nation how you can better their world.

Obama refuses to acknowledge the Occupation by ignoring it (at least publicly). This takes attention away from the issues of reckless financial policies at home. Events abroad are plastered in the headlines to distract us and make us believe that all threats can only come from "over there."

In the meantime, he still commands a loyal support base. Don't forget Philadelphia 2008. Expect them to be even more brazen if a second term is possible. And right now, that possibility is borderline certainty because his opponents are doing the work for him.

Nobody cares about the TSA or the National Defense Act, not when they've got two mortgages on their house and no job security. Nobody cares about declining towards fascism or the tree of liberty when they're working two minimum wage jobs because a bank stole their life savings, and then lost it on illegal bets.

Nobody cares that we're on the fast track to another civil war because we never openly discuss and solve our problems. If they can't make a living, what else matters? Nothing, especially politics.

So what kind of candidate do we need? I have no idea, but we've got less than one year to find him.

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Re: My GOP Doubts
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2011, 04:45:14 PM »
Answer: Newt stated in his first two hours, before Obama's plane even lands in Chicago, he will have dismantled 40% of the Obama Government.  = Instant Recovery

I don't care if Newt has legally made money, they all have.  I wish I had.

I don't care if Newt had a wondering eye where his wife is concerned.  That's none of my business.

I don't care if Newt has changed his mind on issues over the years.  So have I.

He's spent more time studying the issues that are our problems right now and how to fix them than probably anyone else in the country.  And every time another idea comes out of his mouth he proves it.   




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Re: My GOP Doubts
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2011, 05:29:19 PM »
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/27-reasons-why-newt-gingrich-would-be-a-really-really-bad-president


LOL!  What a hit piece!  A lot of it really gave me a chuckle.  :)   Veritas, I know you are a smart guy.  You had to of seen through most of that.  Talk about out of context. 

or this:

#6 Newt Gingrich has made some very curious statements about Obamacare.  For example, he recently made the following statement about the Obamacare law....

"Now there are about 300 pages that are pretty good"
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Actually, there are probably closer to 500 pages that are petty good.  The rest is crap.



#8 Newt Gingrich voted for higher taxes on numerous occasions.  While he was Speaker of the House, the amount of taxes collected by the federal government from the American people increased from $1.001 trillion to $1.511 trillion.  Would the amount of taxes extracted from us increase by another 50 percent during a Gingrich presidency?
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The reason tax revenue went up is because corp. and private incomes went up.  Also more people had jobs.


Hey, support who you guys want.  But whoever was behind this article has an agenda and doesn't mind bending the truth.

 
« Last Edit: December 03, 2011, 07:24:14 PM by sledge »



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Re: My GOP Doubts
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2011, 06:30:29 PM »
Wasn't saying good or bad, just posted the article for people to read.
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Re: My GOP Doubts
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2011, 07:02:52 PM »
Wasn't saying good or bad, just posted the article for people to read.

I fully support that, but it would help if you made your stance clear in your post. Let us know if you agree or disagree, or if you'd like to avoid giving your opinion then say it's just for the forum's perusal. Otherwise, people generally assume you support what you posted.

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Re: My GOP Doubts
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2011, 12:08:39 AM »
I honestly don't know enough about Gingrich to give a thorough opinion on him so I'll stay out of that one. All I know is what's been made obvious about his flip-flopping, and his support for:

-carbon taxes
-WTO, UN, NATO, NAFTA, GAT, etc...
-(i don't really care much about his marital issues BUT) it does say something about his character
-good public speaker, no doubt, but the fact that taxpayer bailout money went to him for "historical advice" doesn't rub me in a very good way.

 (obama was a great public speaker too... just sayin..)

all that was for Sledge. now for Crystal:

Ron Paul lost support for supporting OWS? well fuck the bandwagon motherfuckers who bailed on him. RP doesn't support any communist/socialist propaganda, he supports the CONUS and ending the Fed. I'd rather vote for the candidate who best upholds the CONUS (meaning, the 1A rights of those ignorant OWS fuckers) than the ones who may be more charismatic and pull more of the mainstream sheep support. when it boils down to it, anyone who even halfway kinda sorta considers themself conservative is going to vote for "anyone but Barry"... so why not vote for the OBVIOUS constitutional candidate. not the guy with the gift of gab and a dark heart.

it amazes me sometimes to hear conservatives explain why they don't like Paul. (not you Crystal, I'm just ranting here) none of the reasons ever have to do with the constitution. always about: "not electable", and "he stutters sometimes" ... lol. "he's old" ... blah blah. then when you challenge them to address the fact that he's undoubtedly the only candidate who respects the CONUS 100%, they start to tell you about how sometimes it's "necessary" to "sacrifice" certain things and vote for the one who "has the best chance of beating Barry....".... sounds like a bunch of sheep who are willing to throw the CONUS into the garbage just like a liberal.

I'm calling bullshit.
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Re: My GOP Doubts
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2011, 01:26:11 AM »
it amazes me sometimes to hear conservatives explain why they don't like Paul. (not you Crystal, I'm just ranting here) none of the reasons ever have to do with the constitution. always about: "not electable", and "he stutters sometimes" ... lol. "he's old" ... blah blah. then when you challenge them to address the fact that he's undoubtedly the only candidate who respects the CONUS 100%, they start to tell you about how sometimes it's "necessary" to "sacrifice" certain things and vote for the one who "has the best chance of beating Barry....".... sounds like a bunch of sheep who are willing to throw the CONUS into the garbage just like a liberal.

This is what I hear from friends and family, every time. These people include all those who make up the group I will be with if things get nasty. I've debated several times with them, but they're stuck in the "anything but Barry" mindset. I always use the runaway train analogy, and how the GOP train is slower but is headed to the same destination the liberal train is going. I say that a true adherent to the Constitution, such as Ron Paul, is the only candidate who will be able to switch tracks, and hopefully prevent the ultimate downfall of this nation. They cannot find any real flaws with my logic, but they seem unwilling to risk Barry's reelection. They are afraid of what he'll do next, so they put it off for their children, and their grandchildren. Just like our grandparents did for us.

Sledge, this isn't addressed directly to you, but in conversations with others your age, have you encountered even a little bit of guilt for your generation's children's (my parent's) generation, your generation, and your parent's generation passing the buck down the line and making us make the hard decisions in even more difficult times? Sometimes I wonder if the older generation really gives a damn at all. I know that my grandmothers don't talk about politics, unless you ask them very pointed questions.

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Re: My GOP Doubts
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2011, 04:46:28 PM »
They are afraid of what he'll do next, so they put it off for their children, and their grandchildren. Just like our grandparents did for us.

Sledge, this isn't addressed directly to you, but in conversations with others your age, have you encountered even a little bit of guilt for your generation's children's (my parent's) generation, your generation, and your parent's generation passing the buck down the line and making us make the hard decisions in even more difficult times? Sometimes I wonder if the older generation really gives a damn at all. I know that my grandmothers don't talk about politics, unless you ask them very pointed questions.

Sorry for not getting to this.  I must have caught my grandson's bug the other day when I watched him for my daughter.  It's an ass kicker.  I'll try to pull my head together enough to respond to this.

Rah, this isn't an attack, I'm just trying to answer your question as honestly as I can.  Your question, and some of the other statements I seen made by others, reflects a misunderstanding of human nature and the timeline of how we got to where we are today.

On human nature, each generation that comes up is idealistic in their late teens and 20's and even part of their 30's.  Each generation has seen things as they would like them to be.  "Every" generation has made mistakes and will continue to do so.  No, I haven't heard anyone say they feel guilty about anything.  But then, in my lifetime, I haven't seen any generation fix anything.  In truth, every generation tends to make things worse and I really see no reason to think that yours will be any different.  Again, that's not an attack, it's just what I see.  Everyone, all generations alive today, seem to be waiting for it all to collapse so they can start over.

On the timeline, the problems we are living with today started with the generation in 1913.  They were made even worse by the actions of the generation in 1933.  And each generation has done their utmost( actually, they didn't know any better)  to screw things up right up to what my generation did.  Come off of the gold standard and onto the fiat standard.  What your generation's contribution to the mess will be remains to be seen.  Although they, like everyone else, came out in droves for the messiah which wasn't a good indication.   But it was part of the learning curve that each generation goes through.  Not too many in your generation, or any other who voted for him, is very happy with the results that decision got them.

Corruption, greed and selling out didn't start with my generation and it won't end with it.  That goes all the way back to Cain and Able.  It doesn't matter who controls government, Democrats, Republicans or Ron Paul, corruption and selling out to the highest bidder will still be there.  You can say that your generation is going to do the hard work to change things and fix what previous generations has left you.  But it hasn't happened yet since man first set foot on this planet.  But good luck, I hope you do.           



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Re: My GOP Doubts
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2011, 06:13:46 PM »
well said, sledge. I'll agree with you that people tend to be more passionate and idealistic when they're younger and tend to lose that passion as they get older, but I honestly don't see that as getting "wiser with age", I see it as people beginning to care more about providing for their family and making sure they have something to leave behind after they pass, and less about their current form of government and the things it does. I can understand the sentiment, but in no way is that honorable IMO.

I can't really explain this strange happening, but my grandpa has always been a lifelong conservative. he ranted and bashed obama in '08 and was thoroughly pissed when barry was elected. now, just a few weeks ago, he's trying to talk to me about how great of a president Barry has been.... and he refuses to watch Fox anymore because of how biased against Barry they are.... ;lakjdf;lkjasd;flkjadlfkjas;ldfkj *chokes on drink*.... WTF? I don't know if that has anything to do with the "generational" conversation  that we're having, but it sure did throw me off.
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Re: My GOP Doubts
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2011, 06:34:51 PM »
So what kind of candidate do we need? I have no idea, but we've got less than one year to find him.

There are no good candidates anymore, on either side of the isle. 

So to answer your question, the kind of candidate America needs is any one of the 38 signatories on the US Constitution. 

But since that won't happen....

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Re: My GOP Doubts
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2011, 06:37:40 PM »
I sincerely appreciate your response, Sledge. Thank you. I did not take offense to your post as you intended none, just as I hope you know I intended none towards you.

NOLA, I agree with you. While you and I still are in the "idealist" group (and I know from conversations with older people that they do consider some beliefs of mine a bit idealistic), I do think that being stubborn and adhering to our core beliefs come whatever may is the only way to truly serve the next generations. There seems to be only once in American history that people actually dug their heels in and said, "ENOUGH!"

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"I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy." -- John Adams

"Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" -- Patrick Henry

"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it." -- Tom Paine

"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." -- Tom Paine, 1776

"The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember officers and Soldiers, that you are free men, fighting for the blessings of Liberty -- that slavery will be your portion, and that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men." -- George Washington, 1776


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Re: My GOP Doubts
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2011, 06:57:14 PM »
There seems to be only once in American history that people actually dug their heels in and said, "ENOUGH!"

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"I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy." -- John Adams

"Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" -- Patrick Henry

"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it." -- Tom Paine

"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." -- Tom Paine, 1776

"The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember officers and Soldiers, that you are free men, fighting for the blessings of Liberty -- that slavery will be your portion, and that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men." -- George Washington, 1776

I agree with you.  That was a unique time in the history of the world.  I think it was probably mankind's best moment.  Even the Magna Carta didn't come close to it.  That was mostly about wrestling power from the king to give to the lords.

Maybe your generation will have one of those moments.  Wouldn't that be something!   



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« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2011, 08:13:46 PM »
It would indeed.

I find myself frequently thinking...twenty years from now, will my daughter and son look at me and say, "Why, Dad? Why didn't you DO something? Why would you let them take our freedoms without a fight?"

I don't think I could live with it.

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« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2011, 09:17:38 PM »
It would indeed.

I find myself frequently thinking...twenty years from now, will my daughter and son look at me and say, "Why, Dad? Why didn't you DO something? Why would you let them take our freedoms without a fight?"

I don't think I could live with it.

I understand that sentiment.  I've wondered the same thing.  Honestly, I don't think that conversation will come up.  There's going to be another world war before 20 years passes.  Probably before 20 weeks passes.  And it's going to make the other two look like a school yard tussle.  It's going to start relatively small, between two countries, and then escalate.

I don't think there is any way to avoid it at this point.  I've wondered why would Russia and China fight attempts to stop Iran's nuke program when they know what the end result will be?  They know Israel isn't going to say "Oh Ok, we're good with it." 

Why would they be doing this?  It's not like they can't see where it leads.



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Re: My GOP Doubts
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2011, 12:50:21 AM »
Fuck it all, lets go to war
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