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NJ high cap magazine enforcement
« on: December 13, 2018, 11:40:19 AM »
I just received this from a friend. 

NJ State Police will "not rule out" door to door enforced magazine confiscation.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-12-12-nj-state-police-to-launch-nazi-style-door-to-door-gun-magazine-confiscation-campaign-at-gunpoint.html

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Re: NJ high cap magazine enforcement
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2018, 11:53:28 AM »
 Hi Z. you beat me to it. I just posted it in another post. The world is going crazy. 
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Re: NJ high cap magazine enforcement
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2018, 12:16:43 PM »
I will buy every AR & AK standard cap. mag. from any NJ citizen for $1.00 each. Just PM me.  ;)

On another note: The citizenry of NJ have been under the yoke of their oppressors so long no AR or AK owning adult will do anything.

"Knock knock" was heard at the door and Bill noisily got up from his recliner.

He opened the door and saw two uniformed NJ State Police officers standing there who said, "Mr. Bill Smith?"

Bill replied, "yes".

The officers continued, "We have record that you own an AR-15 and we are here to collect your high capacity magazines for your weapon. Please give them to us or we will arrest you."

Well Bill goes to his state regulated gun safe followed by the two state troopers. He opens the safe and hands the troopers his mags."

The troopers thank him for his servitude and leave Bill's house.

Bill returns to his recliner, poops a beer, and continues to watch his football game.

Nothing to see here folks.....



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Re: NJ high cap magazine enforcement
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2018, 01:53:50 PM »
I'm not sure the good people of New Jersey have thought about this. Don't they know that the United States Constitution, in the Bill of Rights, clearly states that the government must pay fair market price for property seized. If they take your house, they have to pay you for it. If they are smart they will take this to the Supreme Court.

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Re: NJ high cap magazine enforcement
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2018, 02:23:57 PM »
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  Not completely true, When I lived in New Jersey I belonged to very large private club and at least 50% of those guys would resist. That's not counting the "Pineies", the people who live in the South Jersey Pine Barrens. Their sort of like the old West Virginia mountain families.
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Re: NJ high cap magazine enforcement
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2018, 03:35:54 PM »
There will always be an old ornery guy that has done all in life he wanted to.. except one thing... resist the bad guys..
And he will simply not give a 'damn about the consequences to his person.
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Re: NJ high cap magazine enforcement
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2018, 07:44:43 PM »
Yes Erick there might be one or two, ala Clint Eastwood however, I will bet anybody here $$$ for $$$$ not one person will say no and back it up with a muzzle out the window. I also believe that not one NJ patriot will lift a figure to the man or lady who has stuck a barrel out the window to say "NO!"

Who wants to take me up on my offer? $$$ for $$$$.
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Re: NJ high cap magazine enforcement
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2018, 07:11:03 PM »
Yes Erick there might be one or two, ala Clint Eastwood however, I will bet anybody here $$$ for $$$$ not one person will say no and back it up with a muzzle out the window. I also believe that not one NJ patriot will lift a figure to the man or lady who has stuck a barrel out the window to say "NO!"

Who wants to take me up on my offer? $$$ for $$$$.

NJ Patriots? All bark, no bite

I doubt there will be any resistance other than "I'm gonna call my lawyer and sue you" type rhetoric.
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Re: NJ high cap magazine enforcement
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2018, 07:19:14 AM »
Yes Erick there might be one or two, ala Clint Eastwood however, I will bet anybody here $$$ for $$$$ not one person will say no and back it up with a muzzle out the window. I also believe that not one NJ patriot will lift a figure to the man or lady who has stuck a barrel out the window to say "NO!"

Who wants to take me up on my offer? $$$ for $$$$.

NJ Patriots? All bark, no bite

I doubt there will be any resistance other than "I'm gonna call my lawyer and sue you" type rhetoric.

As a New Jersey Patriot, we will do what we always do - not give a fuck and not listen. The Police have all but said that they are only going to enforce the law where there is another crime that occurs. There is a 0 percent chance they go door to door unless so power hungry police chief up north does it. The cops down south don't care, the state police really don't care, and I have heard from my many law enforcement friends that they are simply not going to enforce it unless you commit some other crime. Particularly in my area, we have high concentrations of law enforcement and military personnel and they have all said that they ain't gonna do shit. There is a reason that Murphy is mum on how he plans to enforce it. It was a virtue signalling law. The State Police have confirmed that 0 people have turned magazines into the State Police, and I would be shocked if more than 100 people in the state turned in theirs to their police chiefs. It is just a massive case of civil disobedience. Hell, I already know that many have 30s from PA and they were illegal before the 15 limit went to 10. Murphy will see the level of compliance with this law and realize that people don't care what the NJ government says on guns anymore.

You all should be happy that we passed this law - with no grandfather clause and no compensation, it has a better chance of reaching the Supreme Court and being declared unconstitutional. As for the lower courts, there isn't much we can do since the courts have already declared it illegal.

As of right now, the climate doesn't exsist for active resistance. So instead we sent all of our magazines "out of state". What would you rather have us do? Have a few guys from the south start shooting and give Murphy justification for his ban? Use your heads. Until such conditions exist that would allow for widespread civilian support for our cause, there isn't much to do for us except bide our time until the conditions are right.

But please continue to talk badly about New Jersey Patriots even though we exhausted all political avenues to no avail. I am sure everyone in the thread would DEFINITELY start shooting if they were here /s.

EDIT: And since the politicians don't listen to us ever and haven't for some time, many people just shrugged their shoulders at the proposed law and said that it didn't matter because people wouldn't listen and the rallies that were held were never going to be effective. Media gives them cover, and courts justification, so I really don't know what you expect us to do. How about you direct your anger to the masses of NJ?
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Re: NJ high cap magazine enforcement
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2018, 09:54:21 AM »
 
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But please continue to talk badly about New Jersey

 I lived in southern New Jersey for 35 years there are some awesome people in southern NJ and now have lived 16 years in Delaware. Not once have I heard anything bad about south Jersey people.  But it's hard to tell the difference the north and south Jersey drivers, some are manics.   
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Re: NJ high cap magazine enforcement
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2018, 10:03:41 AM »

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But please continue to talk badly about New Jersey

 I lived in southern New Jersey for 35 years there are some awesome people in southern NJ and now have lived 16 years in Delaware. Not once have I heard anything bad about south Jersey people.  But it's hard to tell the difference the north and south Jersey drivers, some are manics.

Now that is the first thing in this thread that I agree with.  :cheers:
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Re: NJ high cap magazine enforcement
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2018, 11:36:49 AM »
Well Patriotman,

I have lived in California my entire life (except for when I belonged to Uncle Sam) and on another forum asked the group whether I should sell my properly registered pre-ban AR15 and all my hi-cap mags to Cabelas in Reno and buy an M1.  All I got was grief.  "You should not have registered to begin with."  "You should move."  And on and on.

A fellow I knew took all his "assault rifles" that the good legislators of Calif said were illegal and could not be owned, out of state and stored them.  Seems to me that your current solution is the prudent one.

In California, the California Rifle and Pistol Asso. was able to get court action against the mandatory turn in of hi-cap mags.  Another good reason for all of us  to belong to our state's association. 

Keeping up with the laws and what is legal is difficult.  For example, here in Ca., you cannot import a hi-cap mag.  So if you travel to another state with your 12 round 469 Smith, upon return to the Golden State, you commit a crime by bringing in the illegal magazine in your pistol.

I agree with you, support, solutions and information exchange should be why we are here.

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Re: NJ high cap magazine enforcement
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2018, 12:34:26 PM »
Well Patriotman,

I have lived in California my entire life (except for when I belonged to Uncle Sam) and on another forum asked the group whether I should sell my properly registered pre-ban AR15 and all my hi-cap mags to Cabelas in Reno and buy an M1.  All I got was grief.  "You should not have registered to begin with."  "You should move."  And on and on.

A fellow I knew took all his "assault rifles" that the good legislators of Calif said were illegal and could not be owned, out of state and stored them.  Seems to me that your current solution is the prudent one.

In California, the California Rifle and Pistol Asso. was able to get court action against the mandatory turn in of hi-cap mags.  Another good reason for all of us  to belong to our state's association. 

Keeping up with the laws and what is legal is difficult.  For example, here in Ca., you cannot import a hi-cap mag.  So if you travel to another state with your 12 round 469 Smith, upon return to the Golden State, you commit a crime by bringing in the illegal magazine in your pistol.

I agree with you, support, solutions and information exchange should be why we are here.

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Glad to see someone else has a similar plight. I am hoping for favorable Supreme Court rulings to overturn some of this stuff, and I plan I relocating out of the state as soon as it is feasible. Until then, I am not going to go one a one man rampage and give the politicians yet another excuses to infringe on other peaceful Second Amendment exercisers. Until there are overt moves by the government to stamp us out with their boots that may turn public opinion (i.e. SWAT doing a raid on someone for having an illegal magazine and accidentally killing a child) I don't think we have any level of public support for any overt stuff (legal disclaimer: I don't ever suggest breaking laws, yada yada yada)
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Re: NJ high cap magazine enforcement
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2018, 09:02:27 PM »


Glad to see someone else has a similar plight. I am hoping for favorable Supreme Court rulings to overturn some of this stuff, and I plan I relocating out of the state as soon as it is feasible. Until then, I am not going to go one a one man rampage and give the politicians yet another excuses to infringe on other peaceful Second Amendment exercisers. Until there are overt moves by the government to stamp us out with their boots that may turn public opinion (i.e. SWAT doing a raid on someone for having an illegal magazine and accidentally killing a child) I don't think we have any level of public support for any overt stuff (legal disclaimer: I don't ever suggest breaking laws, yada yada yada)

Like I said, all bark, no bite

What about when the legal gun owner is "accidentally" shot by LEO's for having a high cap magazine? Or will you only get upset if its a child? What about when the cops raid your neighbors house, will you help him defend his rights? What about when they come to your house, how will come to help you? Will you help yourself?

I lived in south jersey for years and worked all over the state, there are far more jerks than good people.
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Re: NJ high cap magazine enforcement
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2018, 10:42:39 AM »
This issue is no different then outlawing "Bump Stocks" other than one is a law of the land made by NJ's Legislature and then being signed by the Governor. While the other, banning bump stocks, was done by a decree.

The banning bump stocks will loose when it gets to the SCOTUS as it uses the definition of a machine gun. The magazine law in NJ, if it reaches the states Supreme Court will be upheld as it was voted in as a law.

The sad thing is, it makes law biding citizens a felon one day when the previous day he/she was not. 

Now talking about pulling a trigger on a LEO if they come to take your bump stock or 10+ magazines is really what we are debating. Unless you are not part of a group, willing to stand firm as a group to stop an illegal confiscation - ALA Lexington/Concord, your only choice is to vote with your feet and move. This is happening in New York State to the tune of ~50,000 folks a year. Governor Cuomo blames it on the harsh winters there. What an idiot!

Just old Johnymac's thoughts.

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Re: NJ high cap magazine enforcement
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2018, 11:10:39 PM »
I'm not so sure the SCOTUS will uphold NJ's law. Years ago the SCOTUS ruled that any law that is unconstitutional is null and void and not only is it invalid, it must not be enforced.

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Re: NJ high cap magazine enforcement
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2018, 02:44:52 PM »
Anybody else sick of the old "law abiding citizen" label? NJ magazine owners are no longer law abiding citizens.

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Re: NJ high cap magazine enforcement
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2018, 01:57:56 PM »
This issue is no different then outlawing "Bump Stocks" other than one is a law of the land made by NJ's Legislature and then being signed by the Governor. While the other, banning bump stocks, was done by a decree.

The banning bump stocks will loose when it gets to the SCOTUS as it uses the definition of a machine gun. The magazine law in NJ, if it reaches the states Supreme Court will be upheld as it was voted in as a law.

The sad thing is, it makes law biding citizens a felon one day when the previous day he/she was not. 

Now talking about pulling a trigger on a LEO if they come to take your bump stock or 10+ magazines is really what we are debating. Unless you are not part of a group, willing to stand firm as a group to stop an illegal confiscation - ALA Lexington/Concord, your only choice is to vote with your feet and move. This is happening in New York State to the tune of ~50,000 folks a year. Governor Cuomo blames it on the harsh winters there. What an idiot!

Just old Johnymac's thoughts.

And that is exactly my plan.
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Re: NJ high cap magazine enforcement
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2018, 06:35:52 PM »
 ;) Patrriotman  :thumbsUp:
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« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2018, 07:16:43 PM »
This issue is no different then outlawing "Bump Stocks" other than one is a law of the land made by NJ's Legislature and then being signed by the Governor. While the other, banning bump stocks, was done by a decree.

The banning bump stocks will loose when it gets to the SCOTUS as it uses the definition of a machine gun. The magazine law in NJ, if it reaches the states Supreme Court will be upheld as it was voted in as a law.

The sad thing is, it makes law biding citizens a felon one day when the previous day he/she was not. 

Now talking about pulling a trigger on a LEO if they come to take your bump stock or 10+ magazines is really what we are debating. Unless you are not part of a group, willing to stand firm as a group to stop an illegal confiscation - ALA Lexington/Concord, your only choice is to vote with your feet and move. This is happening in New York State to the tune of ~50,000 folks a year. Governor Cuomo blames it on the harsh winters there. What an idiot!

Just old Johnymac's thoughts.

Not everyone can vote with their feet. I had nothing to loose and was able to do it.

NJ, NY and others try to tax you into staying put. That means taxes are so high no one will buy your home and you will be stuck with it.

Another problem is every Constitutional voter that leaves will open the door for a dem/socialist voter to move in. Fewer voters on our side...

Third is many of those leaving actually like some of the laws and try to bring them to the new states they are moving into. Every Rocky mountain state is flooded with californians and people from "back east" who left their states because they didn't like the laws. The first thing they do when they get to the new state is try and change the laws to reflect the state they just left!!!! Its happening from Tx up to AK...

The states they are leaving have many electoral votes and carry elections, that will hurt us more than usual

I would like to see new election laws such as one state one vote. Each states will vote will be the majority rules but only one vote per state. This will force the candidates to visit every state and try to sell their views. It would eliminate fly-over country as not counting. There is a slim chance of a tie but that can be settled with a coin toss or better yet create more states such as upstate NY/NYC, north/south jersey, north/south cali, Anchorage/the rest of alaska, etc...
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Re: NJ high cap magazine enforcement
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2018, 10:00:25 AM »
True enough Grizz.  :'(

Even within the rather Free State of Pennsylvania, we have the populous of Philly, Pittsburgh, and ABE (Allentown, Bethlehem, and Easton) that controls most of the states politics.

Philadelphia is a Socialist City and has been since Mayor Rizzo died. Pittsburgh has been controlled by 'the unions' hence the Democrats for a century. ABE, is filling up with folks from NYC, SWNY and NJ due to taxes within those two states. They come to PA where the taxes are relatively low to live then commute back to NY or NJ to work. They bring left of center politics to PA. Just like what Grizz wrote about. 

Case in point, notice the Red and then Blue.

 
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« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2018, 09:22:58 PM »
I dont know the absolute validity of this. According to a few reports I have read and directly from an individual I know who works in Fed. law enforcement in NJ, not one person has surrendered any "high capacity" magazines in response to the new Law as of this weekend.

Again if this is incorrect I am sorry, but even if a few have complied the number is very very small.  This leaves NJ in an interesting position relating to enforcement of the new law.

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« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2018, 11:32:51 AM »
I suspect NJ-LEO's will do what CT, and NY LEO's do - Nothing! Nothing unless they accidentally run across something.

A likely scenario would be: Home owner comes home and find out that his house was broken into. He calls 911 and 30-minutes later a police officer shows up at the house. As the officer walks around the house with the home owner to survey the scene of the crime there is several 30-round AR or AK mags sitting out on the owners work bench in the basement. WHAM-O! That home owner is arrested and charged with a felony.

I have heard several accounts just like this one happening just across the border from me in NY.
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« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2018, 01:39:16 PM »
I suspect NJ-LEO's will do what CT, and NY LEO's do - Nothing! Nothing unless they accidentally run across something.

A likely scenario would be: Home owner comes home and find out that his house was broken into. He calls 911 and 30-minutes later a police officer shows up at the house. As the officer walks around the house with the home owner to survey the scene of the crime there is several 30-round AR or AK mags sitting out on the owners work bench in the basement. WHAM-O! That home owner is arrested and charged with a felony.

I have heard several accounts just like this one happening just across the border from me in NY.

that and undercover LEO's at the gun ranges and or paying range owner/officers to report violations or they will be targeted too
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Re: NJ high cap magazine enforcement
« Reply #24 on: January 01, 2019, 09:43:50 AM »
Yupper Grizz.
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