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« on: January 07, 2021, 06:56:43 AM »
I am having difficulty with communicating what I wish, yet I am going to give it a try. Mainly due to it being so very important.

Those in our society from all and any side. Left, right, middle, up, down or any other description. That are courting, hoping for, encouraging or any other way edging for open armed conflict in our country. Need to back the hell up. I may be wrong. But it is very likely that the vast majority doing so don't know what war is. I have experienced it and know what it really is. Don't freaking go there. Shout, scream and protest all you want.

Don't even attempt to bring war into the homes of our nations children.

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Re: Open message
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2021, 08:57:04 AM »
I hear ya' gadget and I respect your position.

The globe is in the season of winter. 2020 was awful and 2021 will be twice as bad.

As you wrote, any war would be terrible. A civil war will be twice as bad. I pray often that this winter period will be a 'mild winter'.

Thanks for your heart felt comments sir.
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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2021, 09:29:19 AM »
I hear ya' gadget and I respect your position.

The globe is in the season of winter. 2020 was awful and 2021 will be twice as bad.

As you wrote, any war would be terrible. A civil war will be twice as bad. I pray often that this winter period will be a 'mild winter'.

Thanks for your heart felt comments sir.
Thank you JM.

I respect others opinions as you have mine. My prayers mirror yours.



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Re: Open message
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2021, 09:39:01 AM »
Thank you gadget, I have never seen war but I pry that it does not enter our borders.

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Re: Open message
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2021, 10:00:13 AM »
     I certainly don't want war or violence.  However, I also don't want to be a slave, no matter how comfortable the shackles.  Those of us that enjoy freedom and the benefits of the 2nd Amendment are now faced with a government that encourages socialism and discourages the independent individual, unless that individual is identifying as one of the 53 sexual types, other than male or female.

     Our "new" government encourages cancel culture, and imposes limitations on our speech and thinking, because if you have an opposing view; you are a racist and expressing yourself with "hate" speech.

     There were many who went along with the Nazi program, because they didn't want violence, and look at the results of that.  I'm not advocating war or violence, but there does need to be opposition to the Leftist bullshit.  Civil disobedience is one solution, it worked for Ghandi, but these are different times.  The biggest problem is there is no leader, nor organization supporting freedom. 

     In some ways the lack of organization is beneficial, consider the concept of leaderless resistance.  But leaderless resistance can lead (pun) to a waste of resources.

      Protesting hasn't worked thus far.  The 2020 election was riddled with fraud, and a resolution was sought through the legal system.  The political and legal systems failed the people miserably.  On January 6th, there was a peaceful protest that was destroyed by agents of the State.  The D.C. protesters were not rioting, looting, or burning down police precincts.  Yet, the media is portraying these peaceful protestors as violent goons.

      Like a cornered animal, freedom loving folks are going to react, as they should.  Yes, that reaction is going to result in violence, but it's better to die on your feet, than dying in Conservative prison camps while starving to death.  If someone has a workable non-violent solution, than I would love to hear it.  Until then, enjoy the limits of your personal freedom, be like the Borg, "resistance is futile."

     I say, "resist, no quarter!"

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Re: Open message
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2021, 05:35:14 PM »
 To say I love this country would be a great understatement. As old as I am I would rather die fighting than live under the terrorism of the coming storm.
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Re: Open message
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2021, 04:35:41 AM »
Look. Our country is being divided by forces on all sides. Our largest problem is that the political elite have become the new aristocracy. This is at all levels and on all sides. They are fanning the flames with the intent of keeping the populace divided. Their worst fear is that the populace comes together and uses the system as it is to push them all out of office.

As long as people scream at each other and stay divided. Their position of power is secure. Riots, violence and such outrageous behavior is exactly what they want. That way they can take their position of defender's of democracy and decency. As they manipulate the masses.

What is needed is for the moderate majority to scupper the plans of manipulation. Force the outrageous behaviour to stop on all sides. Then push hard for grass roots change. Find trustworthy people to run for office that refuse to buy into the party lines of the two ruling elite parties. Those that would refuse to be seduced by the power and money. Those that would firmly consider the issues from a position free of radical influence.

Look the average citizen wants to just be able to live their life in peace. Screaming righteous indignation plays into the hands of those that want to marginalise the average citizen.

Just my take on things.

I will say that those who wish for the issues to be decided by armed conflict hold a special place in my heart. I would happily be recalled to service. As a retired senior NCO infantryman in my mid 50s. I would happily defend our communities professionally. From those taking armed conflict into our communities. Those on both sides. I am an equal opportunity Infantryman. For no other reason that they would rather have our society descend into civil war. Than expending the energy of organising using the laws of our nation to enforce the will of the people. Organise and vote.

Our duty to our children is to peacefully resolve the issues in our society. We fail them by forcing them to live and die in armed conflict.



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Re: Open message
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2021, 05:41:30 AM »
The cold hard truth is that as Trump supporters we failed.

Yes I am included in this equation. While I disliked his personality and some of his conduct. I supported his policy stance. I believed Trump would be better for our country than Biden and Harris.

We failed to convince an overwhelming majority of our fellow citizens to vote for Trump. An overwhelming majority would have withstood any attempts to tamper with the election. Every single one of us proclaim to be Trump supporters. We as a group failed to support Donald Trump in his campaign. Just casting our singular vote is not enough to win an election. Actively engaging our fellow citizens in a manner to convince them that our candidate is the best choice for the nation is required. What we did as a group was not enough. End of story.

I may not like the outcome yet am man enough to know why it happened. We need to acknowledge personal responsibility and move forward.

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Re: Open message
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2021, 10:02:13 AM »
"Actively engaging our fellow citizens in a manner to convince them that our candidate is the best choice for the nation is required. What we did as a group was not enough."

While I agree some chips may have been left on the table, I also believe that Patriots must come to grips with another aspect of latest election.
Simply put, some things are beyond our control (or influence).

Too many Americans are immune to logic and evidence-backed argument.  Such people are plagued with deficiencies of character.   Never mind fault - who doesn't know how education (both religious and secular) has been "dumbed down"?    Who doesn't recognize that good times make for soft men?    Is a child to rise above his or her surroundings when the parent is bereft of Godly and worldly knowledge?
 
Apologies for being trite but here it comes again:
Hard times create strong men
Strong men create good times
Good times create weak men
Weak men create hard times

I strive to calibrate my actions and thoughts to this view.
We will not live to see any complete cycle of the above.
We may not (probably not) live to see the creation of "good times" again.
But we can certainly accept that 2020's failures are not ours alone.
And that how we conduct ourselves will most certainly influence the speed and direction of cycles.
Another "Longest War" is upon us.

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Re: Open message
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2021, 11:08:41 AM »
"Actively engaging our fellow citizens in a manner to convince them that our candidate is the best choice for the nation is required. What we did as a group was not enough."

While I agree some chips may have been left on the table, I also believe that Patriots must come to grips with another aspect of latest election.
Simply put, some things are beyond our control (or influence).

Too many Americans are immune to logic and evidence-backed argument.  Such people are plagued with deficiencies of character.   Never mind fault - who doesn't know how education (both religious and secular) has been "dumbed down"?    Who doesn't recognize that good times make for soft men?    Is a child to rise above his or her surroundings when the parent is bereft of Godly and worldly knowledge?
 
Apologies for being trite but here it comes again:
Hard times create strong men
Strong men create good times
Good times create weak men
Weak men create hard times

I strive to calibrate my actions and thoughts to this view.
We will not live to see any complete cycle of the above.
We may not (probably not) live to see the creation of "good times" again.
But we can certainly accept that 2020's failures are not ours alone.
And that how we conduct ourselves will most certainly influence the speed and direction of cycles.
Another "Longest War" is upon us.
Wow...

Well put viewpoint.

Thank you for sharing it.

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Re: Open message
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2021, 06:02:44 PM »
The cold hard truth is that as Trump supporters we failed.

Yes I am included in this equation. While I disliked his personality and some of his conduct. I supported his policy stance. I believed Trump would be better for our country than Biden and Harris.

We failed to convince an overwhelming majority of our fellow citizens to vote for Trump. An overwhelming majority would have withstood any attempts to tamper with the election. Every single one of us proclaim to be Trump supporters. We as a group failed to support Donald Trump in his campaign. Just casting our singular vote is not enough to win an election. Actively engaging our fellow citizens in a manner to convince them that our candidate is the best choice for the nation is required. What we did as a group was not enough. End of story.

I may not like the outcome yet am man enough to know why it happened. We need to acknowledge personal responsibility and move forward.

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You could not be more wrong if you tried.

Trump DID WIN the election and then the other side brought in more ballots, created more ballots and said we didnt see what we saw.

If you dont want to fight to keep this Country free, well lets just say you're part of the problem and its because of people like you that we have some much corruption in govt...

OPEN YOUR EYES!!!!
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Re: Open message
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2021, 06:03:13 PM »
To say I love this country would be a great understatement. As old as I am I would rather die fighting than live under the terrorism of the coming storm.

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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2021, 06:31:15 PM »
The cold hard truth is that as Trump supporters we failed.

Yes I am included in this equation. While I disliked his personality and some of his conduct. I supported his policy stance. I believed Trump would be better for our country than Biden and Harris.

We failed to convince an overwhelming majority of our fellow citizens to vote for Trump. An overwhelming majority would have withstood any attempts to tamper with the election. Every single one of us proclaim to be Trump supporters. We as a group failed to support Donald Trump in his campaign. Just casting our singular vote is not enough to win an election. Actively engaging our fellow citizens in a manner to convince them that our candidate is the best choice for the nation is required. What we did as a group was not enough. End of story.

I may not like the outcome yet am man enough to know why it happened. We need to acknowledge personal responsibility and move forward.

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You could not be more wrong if you tried.

Trump DID WIN the election and then the other side brought in more ballots, created more ballots and said we didnt see what we saw.

If you dont want to fight to keep this Country free, well lets just say you're part of the problem and its because of people like you that we have some much corruption in govt...

OPEN YOUR EYES!!!!
I know you just didn't question my patriotism.

I already fought to keep the United States free. You piece of crap.

I spent 20yrs of my life dedicated to ensuring your freedoms. I joined the freaking U.S. Army in 1984 and served as a god dammed Infantry Paratrooper until 2004 to defend our nation.

You don't know me. You sure as he'll were not with me on the DMZ in Korea for a year. Or in Panama for 4 years trying to clean out the crap of Norega's shit.

I don't know you from Adam. But you don't add up to the pimple on the ass of those from my Company A co. 3/502 Infantry 101st Abn. Div. that died in the Gander Newfoundland Crash on 12 Dec 85.

You freaking better take those accusations back.

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Re: Open message
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2021, 06:52:32 PM »
The cold hard truth is that as Trump supporters we failed.

Yes I am included in this equation. While I disliked his personality and some of his conduct. I supported his policy stance. I believed Trump would be better for our country than Biden and Harris.

We failed to convince an overwhelming majority of our fellow citizens to vote for Trump. An overwhelming majority would have withstood any attempts to tamper with the election. Every single one of us proclaim to be Trump supporters. We as a group failed to support Donald Trump in his campaign. Just casting our singular vote is not enough to win an election. Actively engaging our fellow citizens in a manner to convince them that our candidate is the best choice for the nation is required. What we did as a group was not enough. End of story.

I may not like the outcome yet am man enough to know why it happened. We need to acknowledge personal responsibility and move forward.

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You could not be more wrong if you tried.

Trump DID WIN the election and then the other side brought in more ballots, created more ballots and said we didnt see what we saw.

If you dont want to fight to keep this Country free, well lets just say you're part of the problem and its because of people like you that we have some much corruption in govt...

OPEN YOUR EYES!!!!
I know you just didn't question my patriotism.

I already fought to keep the United States free. You piece of crap.

I spent 20yrs of my life dedicated to ensuring your freedoms. I joined the freaking U.S. Army in 1984 and served as a god dammed Infantry Paratrooper until 2004 to defend our nation.

You don't know me. You sure as he'll were not with me on the DMZ in Korea for a year. Or in Panama for 4 years trying to clean out the crap of Norega's shit.

I don't know you from Adam. But you don't add up to the pimple on the ass of those from my Company A co. 3/502 Infantry 101st Abn. Div. that died in the Gander Newfoundland Crash on 12 Dec 85.

You freaking better take those accusations back.

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I served USAF 86-90

You mentioned you have seen war and dont want it here so we better stop the that kind of talk. I dont want it here either but we are being pushed into a corner and being told to vote our way to freedom.  The election was a joke, Trump did win and our votes were tossed out in the trash. The courts are lost to anything resembling justice, they have been talking about going door to door for gun confiscation, the education system is lost to the left, media and social media are puppets for the establishment, every person on congress and many who have been working for Trump have thrown him under the bus over everything that happened the other day, the left is threatening all Trump supporters and saying they (we) need to be taught a lesson and the list goes on and on...

I dont want and will not go looking for a fight but they are bringing right to our doorstep.
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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2021, 07:02:43 PM »
The cold hard truth is that as Trump supporters we failed.

Yes I am included in this equation. While I disliked his personality and some of his conduct. I supported his policy stance. I believed Trump would be better for our country than Biden and Harris.

We failed to convince an overwhelming majority of our fellow citizens to vote for Trump. An overwhelming majority would have withstood any attempts to tamper with the election. Every single one of us proclaim to be Trump supporters. We as a group failed to support Donald Trump in his campaign. Just casting our singular vote is not enough to win an election. Actively engaging our fellow citizens in a manner to convince them that our candidate is the best choice for the nation is required. What we did as a group was not enough. End of story.

I may not like the outcome yet am man enough to know why it happened. We need to acknowledge personal responsibility and move forward.

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You could not be more wrong if you tried.

Trump DID WIN the election and then the other side brought in more ballots, created more ballots and said we didnt see what we saw.

If you dont want to fight to keep this Country free, well lets just say you're part of the problem and its because of people like you that we have some much corruption in govt...

OPEN YOUR EYES!!!!
I know you just didn't question my patriotism.

I already fought to keep the United States free. You piece of crap.

I spent 20yrs of my life dedicated to ensuring your freedoms. I joined the freaking U.S. Army in 1984 and served as a god dammed Infantry Paratrooper until 2004 to defend our nation.

You don't know me. You sure as he'll were not with me on the DMZ in Korea for a year. Or in Panama for 4 years trying to clean out the crap of Norega's shit.

I don't know you from Adam. But you don't add up to the pimple on the ass of those from my Company A co. 3/502 Infantry 101st Abn. Div. that died in the Gander Newfoundland Crash on 12 Dec 85.

You freaking better take those accusations back.

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I served USAF 86-90

You mentioned you have seen war and dont want it here so we better stop the that kind of talk. I dont want it here either but we are being pushed into a corner and being told to vote our way to freedom.  The election was a joke, Trump did win and our votes were tossed out in the trash. The courts are lost to anything resembling justice, they have been talking about going door to door for gun confiscation, the education system is lost to the left, media and social media are puppets for the establishment, every person on congress and many who have been working for Trump have thrown him under the bus over everything that happened the other day, the left is threatening all Trump supporters and saying they (we) need to be taught a lesson and the list goes on and on...

I dont want and will not go looking for a fight but they are bringing right to our doorstep.
Yeah I got it.

I expressed my concerns. I expressed my views as I see things. My take is more moderate than yours. I counsel moderation in approaching the issues. I reaffirm my dedication to placing myself between those that wish to visit violence on our communities and the innocent citizens of our nation. As I did for two freaking decades.

Then you have the audacity to question my patriotism and commitment to keeping our nation free?

How dare you. Even worse as a veteran yourself.

I have put up with your crap for to long. You can go troll others but you need to back off messing with me.

Now be a man and take your accusations made about me back.

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Re: Open message
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2021, 07:38:04 PM »
Ahhhh, lets not fight between us. The left wants that.

Debate is always appreciated because I always learn something. Fighting accomplish nada. A little Spanish lingo. 
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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2021, 09:46:20 PM »
There has never been any middle ground, the right always has to give in to the left. Pick a side and stand your ground
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