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James Yeager on Shotguns & Open Vs. Concealed carry handguns
« on: August 18, 2012, 02:55:40 PM »
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Its funny when you think about things logically and everyone around you tells you your wrong. James clearly thinks things through logically aswell. And funny enough our opinions on this entire video align perfectly. Crazy how that happens...
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Re: James Yeager on Shotguns & Open Vs. Concealed carry handguns
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2012, 03:15:06 PM »
The only bs thing I have ever heard James say is that when you get thirsty you are three quarts behind dehydration. Drink when you get thirsty.
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Re: James Yeager on Shotguns & Open Vs. Concealed carry handguns
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2012, 03:40:09 PM »
that is true....
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Re: James Yeager on Shotguns & Open Vs. Concealed carry handguns
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2012, 05:44:52 PM »
He's right on this one, but as far as his views on open carry he gets a giant [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

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Re: James Yeager on Shotguns & Open Vs. Concealed carry handguns
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2012, 07:37:03 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2012, 12:52:37 AM »
He's right on this one, but as far as his views on open carry he gets a giant [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at


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Re: James Yeager on Shotguns & Open Vs. Concealed carry handguns
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2012, 07:24:30 PM »
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Re: James Yeager on Shotguns & Open Vs. Concealed carry handguns
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2012, 07:54:43 PM »
If theres a video on yeagers open carry ideas please link it i want an opinion to shout at people too. lol
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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2012, 11:05:58 PM »
LOL, I refuse to go find it.  IMHO, he's a douche, plain and simple, and to be honest, he doesn't want ME representing the firearm community???  Well the feeling is mutual buddy, I don't really want him representing the firearm community, either with his small, closed-minded opinions, anyway.  I open carry and conceal carry, because I can see the obvious pros and cons to BOTH of them.  Small-minded and closed minded people just suck.  I also don't go around trying to TELL other people out there how to carry their weapon anyhow, carry it how YOU feel comfortable carrying it, and train however YOU want to train to carry, and stop trying to force, conflate, and construe made up fantasies around so that OTHER people will be just as close-minded as you are.  Of course he tells everyone in the world that Conceal Carry is the ONLY way and he teaches in his classses that Conceal carry is the ONLY way, and that you need the proper training to properly Conceal Carry, BECAUSE HE SELLS THE FUCKING Conceal Carry TRAINING.  Its no different than the NRA and their instructors selling training, and then WORKING with all these State legislatures to pass MANDATORY GOVERNMENT TRAINING for all firearm carriers and mandatory laws for Conceal Carry.  Its a fucking money making RACKET, and he is no different.  He's SELLING the Concealed Carrying training that he teaches.  He's trying to find a way to put MORE money in HIS pocket by telling you all these made up, tired, mindlessly repeated, and unsubstantiated fantasies and FEARS about open carry, while not even mention or giving way to ONE positive that comes from open carry, which some I have personally experienced and others who give actual documentation, instead of just fantasy and made up fears.  That's all I have to say about that.  I won't even get into the way the threw his dead brother in arms under the bus, not once, but TWICE, publicly.  Sometime I can't believe or even understand why so many people on ever gun web site just about worship every word that comes out of his mouth.  I really can't.   >:(

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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2012, 11:30:22 PM »
I see no real point in open carry. But as long as it is legal, and that is what you chose to do. I have no problem with it.
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Re: James Yeager on Shotguns & Open Vs. Concealed carry handguns
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2012, 11:31:18 PM »
@ EJR 
Oh c'mon....You just don't like him because he won't wear a "Homefront Defense" t-shirt.
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Re: James Yeager on Shotguns & Open Vs. Concealed carry handguns
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2012, 08:30:28 AM »
i know ive said it before, but i LOVE Estate buckshot from cabelas, you can find it on sale for damn good prices. and holds a real tight pattern. i was barley out of my B zone (torso) at 30 yds with the stuff, no coke.

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Re: James Yeager on Shotguns & Open Vs. Concealed carry handguns
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2012, 01:49:35 PM »
I see no real point in open carry. But as long as it is legal, and that is what you chose to do. I have no problem with it.


You're not old enough to buy a pistol much less, carry it.  When you get old enough, if your State allows it, and you have the balls, you should try open carry, then you can have an educated opinion on open carry.  Right now, you're just repeating the fantasies that these guys who sell concealed carry training keep mindlessly repeating.

I've open carried just about everywhere I can in my State for YEARS, and none of their BS predictions EVER come true.  I've never even been so much as hassled by a LEO.  I have had some excellent conversations about firearms with LEOs because I was open carrying.

1. Education.  I cannot count to you how many times I've had a complete stranger come up to me and thank me for carrying, I've had complete strangers come up and ask me if it was legal to carry a firearm in public, because they didn't know, I've educated them on the laws, and even helped more people than I can count get their weapons carry license and join pro-gun organization that fight for our 2nd amendment rights.  Those interactions would have never happened had I been concealed carry.

2. Criminal deterrent factor.  http://www.examiner.com/article/open-carry-deters-armed-robbery-kennesaw
Click on the URL link and read.  I personally know and went to high school with one of the open carriers.  This is FACT, this isn't some BS fantasy opinion, made up of fear and conflation.  I like to deal with FACTS, not what some egotistical, narcissistic DB makes up with his imagination so that he can sell more people on joining his Conceal Carry Only class.  If those boys would have concealed, they would have gotten robbed, and if they did decide to pull their weapons, they would have likely started a gun fight in a small tight cramped restaurant.  Open Carry made sure the robbery didn't take place, while they were in the restaurant. 

3. Open carry, TO ME, is a lot more comfortable, and I'm disabled with four degenerated disc, and its often the only way I can carry, without having severed back pain.  Unless you had my disability, I don't think you would even understand. 

4.  Conceal carry, usually means that you have to clear the weapon of a SHIRT.  In a tense situation, which using your firearm would probably rate a 10 out of 10 for tense situation, if you've ever been in one, you know that your fine motor skills go to shit, and there is a chance you will snag your pistol on that shirt, and never properly present the weapon, which is plenty of a enough time for the perp to shoot and kill you while you're dicking around with your pistol in your shit.  With open carry, this is not a problem.  The pistol is well outside your shirt, depending on which holster you use.

5. You only need ONE arm to draw and fire your pistol from your holster with Open Carry.  With concealed carry, you need BOTH your arms to try and clear the shirt tail with your weak hand side, while you draw with your strong side hand.  What if the perp has a hold of your weak side hand?  Yep, your pistol gets caught in your shirt tail and you will be slow if not impossible to present your firearm in a timely and fast manner.  You need your pistol right then, when you need it in a tense self-defense situation.  Not to mention your fine motor skills going to shit as well. 

6.  I've practiced for YEARS, and I can still present my weapon faster with open carry than I can concealed carry, and I've practiced conceal carry for years.  Open carry is just faster for me.

Those are just A FEW of the positives that I have either personally witnesses and experienced with open carry, while I have not personally witnessed or experienced any of the negatives, which these "tacti-cool" guys keep mindlessly repeating and disseminating.  Not one of them.  I tend to like to form my opinions through EXPERIENCE and verifiable FACTS, instead of hyperbole, fantasy, and imaginative illusions, from guys who stand to make a lot of money for making everyone else a conceal carry only ninja. 

I'll take my personal experience and facts any day, over what guys like Jaeger keep mindlessly repeating in order to make more money from people.  The choice is yours, go out and DO it, or just believe what guys like this keep repeating OVER and OVER and OVER again.  That's right, I mean we wouldn't want you thinking for yourself, now would we?   :o
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Re: James Yeager on Shotguns & Open Vs. Concealed carry handguns
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2012, 01:53:59 PM »
@ EJR 
Oh c'mon....You just don't like him because he won't wear a "Homefront Defense" t-shirt.



He won't be getting a Homefront Defense shirt, and if I ever see him wear one, I'll ask him to please take it off.  I don't want him representing my company in any way.

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Re: James Yeager on Shotguns & Open Vs. Concealed carry handguns
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2012, 03:52:44 AM »
I see no real point in open carry. But as long as it is legal, and that is what you chose to do. I have no problem with it.



1. Education. 

2. Criminal deterrent factor.  http://www.examiner.com/article/open-carry-deters-armed-robbery-kennesaw


3. Open carry, TO ME, is a lot more comfortable, and I'm disabled with four degenerated disc, and its often the only way I can carry, without having severed back pain.  Unless you had my disability, I don't think you would even understand. 

4.  Conceal carry, usually means that you have to clear the weapon of a SHIRT. 

5. You only need ONE arm to draw and fire your pistol from your holster with Open Carry. 

6.  I've practiced for YEARS, and I can still present my weapon faster with open carry than I can concealed carry, and I've practiced conceal carry for years.  Open carry is just faster for me.



1. I don't want to get in random conversations with strangers, especially about the deadly weapon I am carrying. That's just me.

2. One or 2 anecdotes does not prove anything. Open carriers have also had their guns stolen from them, and even murdered with their own guns. Both are extremely rare, and there have only been a handfull of cases of either. Most people, criminals included, simply won't notice a firearm on a someone else's person if they aren't looking for it. And of course there's the "you will be the 1st one shot etc." stuff, which may or may not be true, but you can't deny that an armed criminal will go after the bigger threat 1st IF he is aware of it, and that there are many criminals not deterred by firearms at all.

3. You do know there are outside the waistband holsters suitable for concealed carry? I carry all the time in one, and no one can every tell I have it, even when they are aware I am armed.

4. Absolutely, often placing the hand in the exact same place as it should be during the draw, on your pectoral, or in that general area.

5. You only need one arm to draw and fire from concealed carry as well. It's barely even any slower than normal in fact. Unless you are using your support hand only, than it will still be pretty much as slow as open carry.

6. Is that with the exact same holster, open and concealed? Or different holsters? Are you using a retention holster for open carry?

Also, tactical response does not teach any courses in concealed carry. People who chose to open carry can do the class with a visible pistol. James is also a supporter of constitutional carry.

And it's pretty easy to monday morning QB someone who was in a life and death situtation, and at least any mistakes he made, he used as a learning experience.

This is the video, for anyone who want's to see. I think it gets their opinions across in a rational, informative manner.

Open VS Concealed Carry


I do have to point out that I do believe that in one state, open carry activists where able to get a CCW law passed basically, but I am not 100% on that.


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Re: James Yeager on Shotguns & Open Vs. Concealed carry handguns
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2012, 05:25:41 AM »
I see no real point in open carry. But as long as it is legal, and that is what you chose to do. I have no problem with it.



1. Education. 

2. Criminal deterrent factor.  http://www.examiner.com/article/open-carry-deters-armed-robbery-kennesaw


3. Open carry, TO ME, is a lot more comfortable, and I'm disabled with four degenerated disc, and its often the only way I can carry, without having severed back pain.  Unless you had my disability, I don't think you would even understand. 

4.  Conceal carry, usually means that you have to clear the weapon of a SHIRT. 

5. You only need ONE arm to draw and fire your pistol from your holster with Open Carry. 

6.  I've practiced for YEARS, and I can still present my weapon faster with open carry than I can concealed carry, and I've practiced conceal carry for years.  Open carry is just faster for me.



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1. I don't want to get in random conversations with strangers, especially about the deadly weapon I am carrying. That's just me.


I don't want to, but I'm also not opposed to it, and sometimes some good comes from it.  Actually, most of the time.

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2. One or 2 anecdotes does not prove anything. Open carriers have also had their guns stolen from them, and even murdered with their own guns. Both are extremely rare, and there have only been a handfull of cases of either. Most people, criminals included, simply won't notice a firearm on a someone else's person if they aren't looking for it. And of course there's the "you will be the 1st one shot etc." stuff, which may or may not be true, but you can't deny that an armed criminal will go after the bigger threat 1st IF he is aware of it, and that there are many criminals not deterred by firearms at all.


Neither does one or 2 antidotes from the other side.  I agree that most of the time, a criminal may not even noticed a handgun on my hip, just like most people don't. 

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3. You do know there are outside the waistband holsters suitable for concealed carry? I carry all the time in one, and no one can every tell I have it, even when they are aware I am armed.


Yes, what do you think I use when I conceal carry?   :o

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4. Absolutely, often placing the hand in the exact same place as it should be during the draw, on your pectoral, or in that general area.
 

Gun get caught in shirt. 

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5. You only need one arm to draw and fire from concealed carry as well. It's barely even any slower than normal in fact. Unless you are using your support hand only, than it will still be pretty much as slow as open carry.


That's simply not what I've experienced.  Again.  "Gun get caught in shirt."

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6. Is that with the exact same holster, open and concealed? Or different holsters? Are you using a retention holster for open carry?
Both.  All types.

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Also, tactical response does not teach any courses in concealed carry. People who chose to open carry can do the class with a visible pistol. James is also a supporter of constitutional carry.


As long as it doesn't allow those stupid, idiotic open carriers to carry their firearms for everyone to see, I guess?

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And it's pretty easy to monday morning QB someone who was in a life and death situtation, and at least any mistakes he made, he used as a learning experience.


He threw his fallen brothers in front of the bus.  There is no other way to see it.  He even had a chance to recant, and instead, he chose to double down.

This is the video, for anyone who want's to see. I think it gets their opinions across in a rational, informative manner.

Open VS Concealed Carry


That is the video I'm speaking of.  So instead of just calling out open carries as idiots, and stupid, he decides to call, open carrying, idiotic and stupid.  Ohh, ok, YEAH THAT'S MUCH BETTER?!?!?  He has to OBVIOUSLY hold himself back from just calling out open carriers as stupid idiots.  He doesn't yield ONE POINT, where open carry does on bit of good, bascially, I'm calling it BULLSHIT, because I myself have personally experienced good things happening because I DO open carrying.  BULLSHIT. 

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I do have to point out that I do believe that in one state, open carry activists where able to get a CCW law passed basically, but I am not 100% on that.


You act as if there is discernible difference between open carriers and conceal carriers and what they have done to get positive laws passed that struck bad laws from the books.  We all work together to get these laws passed, and most open carriers also conceal carry depending on many factors, so how are they supposed to be discerned again?

You can't, and its impossible to even try.  Another failed point.


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That's the most ridiculous cartoon I've ever seen.  Really.

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« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2012, 07:27:58 PM »
If you can't draw from concealment, with one or both hands, and not get some shirt in it, that's a training issue, plain and simple. You can also fire a gun with some shirt mixed in your grip. Since you've brought up your experience, what kind of professional instruction have you taken?

Are you carrying in a retention holster? That can be just as problematic as from concealment, and at least a shirt can never jam from debris.


Also, note that no one is saying open carrying should be illegal, just that it's not the best way to carry.

And Yeager's iraq incident CAN be seen from other viewpoints than yours. And the video had nothing to do with that, so why even bring it up?

He doesn't point to where open carry has done any bit of good, because generally, it doesn't. In fact, open carry activists got open carry banned in california, don't even try to pretend that isn't the case. They where doing it for political purposes, not for genuine self defense, and they did so in a manner specifically intended to draw attention to themselves. I have personally seen people kicked out of places simply because they where openly carrying a weapon, while I got to stay with my concealed weapons.

There is no evidence to support the theory that open carry "normalizes" the carrying of guns to the general public, of course there is none to support the opposite conclusion either, since no studies have been done.

And if I would happen to be open carrying, and someone came up to me and started talking about the gun I am carrying, outside of a firing range, or gunstore, that would put me on edge. To me it is a tool, and a tool capable of killing a person or causing great bodily harm, not something I want to show off, the only time I want anyone to know it even exists, is when I have to take it out to use it in defense.

Another point, is open carrying, or any behavior that lets people know you own guns can make you a target for theft. It is not unreasonable to say that someone seeing you leave your residence with a pistol on your hip would think you might have more guns, or might talk to someone who would break into your house. I definitely do not want my current neighbors to know I own guns, but than I live in a slightly shady area. Same reason I don't put gun stickers on my car, or wear gun tshirts.


And that cartoon is hilarious.
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Re: James Yeager on Shotguns & Open Vs. Concealed carry handguns
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2012, 07:44:21 PM »
If your willing to give away free classes to people who tell you your wrong that says something. I wonder how many in that class made it all the way through without getting upset and walking out. 
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« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2012, 05:48:20 PM »
If you can't draw from concealment, with one or both hands, and not get some shirt in it, that's a training issue, plain and simple.

Training while in a non-stressful state is NOTHING like actually having to pull your weapon in a real scenario, training or not.  The fact that the shirt is there, as an obstacle means there is a CHANCE you can get your firearm caught in it.  Plain and simple.  If the shirt isn't there over it, it cannot get caught in it.  Plain and simple.  The Shirt being there creates a CHANCE.

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You can also fire a gun with some shirt mixed in your grip. Since you've brought up your experience, what kind of professional instruction have you taken?

If you can get the muzzle on target, which if the gun is caught in the shirt, it will probably not be.  You'll probably miss, shoot yourself in the lower extremities, or you are threatening innocents around you with a ricochet if you fire and your muzzle is not on target, in self-defense ranges.  LOL, ohh so I'm undertrained unless I've trained with a Big Dog like your precious James Jaeger idol?  Please, get over yourself and your worship of him.  The people who have trained me, you've probably never heard of, because they aren't internet Gods like your precious James Jaeger idol. 

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Are you carrying in a retention holster? That can be just as problematic as from concealment, and at least a shirt can never jam from debris.
  I own a retention holster, but I don't only carry in one.  Its actually safer to carry openly WITH a retention holster.  Out of the thousands of times I've drawn from one, its a perfect draw, EVERYTIME, my index finger stays along side the slide, until its on target, just as it is with ANY draw.


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Also, note that no one is saying open carrying should be illegal, just that it's not the best way to carry.

I believe that everyone should carry the way that they feel best for the scenario they plan to be in.  I also don't tell people they are idiots or stupid because of the way they chose to carry in a given scenario.  Which is basically what James Jaeger is doing.  I've carried for years while open carrying, and NONE of the doom and gloom scenarios that they say will happen has happened.

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And Yeager's iraq incident CAN be seen from other viewpoints than yours. And the video had nothing to do with that, so why even bring it up?
  It certainly shows a man's character no doubt.

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He doesn't point to where open carry has done any bit of good, because generally, it doesn't. In fact, open carry activists got open carry banned in california, don't even try to pretend that isn't the case. They where doing it for political purposes, not for genuine self defense, and they did so in a manner specifically intended to draw attention to themselves. I have personally seen people kicked out of places simply because they where openly carrying a weapon, while I got to stay with my concealed weapons.

LOL Kommiefornia!  Ohh yeah, great example!  Most people won't even send firearms or ammo to that Communist State.  Great data point to use though!  Let me know when they ban open carry in a freedom loving State purely because of open carriers, and not because the NRA gets in there and bans open carry like they did in South Carolina.  Nothing but cash pimps for the State mandatory training.  Also, I've never been kicked out of a place for open carry, but it is nice to know where to never spend my money again, so it is nice to hear what companies are anti-firearm.  But by all means, you should keep spending your money there, and if I am forced to go, I'll always conceal carry, just like I do now.

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There is no evidence to support the theory that open carry "normalizes" the carrying of guns to the general public, of course there is none to support the opposite conclusion either, since no studies have been done.
  Fuck studies, let's talk about personal experience, that I have.  I never trust studies, because at their beginning they are usually flawed and biased to make things go one way or the other.  Basically, they are usually bullshit from the start.  The same with statistics. 

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And if I would happen to be open carrying, and someone came up to me and started talking about the gun I am carrying, outside of a firing range, or gunstore, that would put me on edge. To me it is a tool, and a tool capable of killing a person or causing great bodily harm, not something I want to show off, the only time I want anyone to know it even exists, is when I have to take it out to use it in defense.

Well not everyone is afraid of their shadow.  I quickly assess situations like that, and I notice the people well before they walk up to me, and I've already assessed them.  Its part of situational awareness.  Something that every carrier should have.  If some thug comes up to me, I'm going to already be in the red anyway.  I will keep an eye on them and leave the area.  I'm not going to converse with someone that appears as a thug in actions or in dress.  The people who talk to me about carrying are NOT thugs in actions or in dress.  Its not a big, tacticool, adrenaline filled fearful event.  I don't have a adrenaline dump afterwards.  You obviously have some issues with other people knowing you're armed.  For me, its an everyday event.  Its also a non-event.  No big deal.  The good guys don't have to hide their firearm.

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Another point, is open carrying, or any behavior that lets people know you own guns can make you a target for theft. It is not unreasonable to say that someone seeing you leave your residence with a pistol on your hip would think you might have more guns, or might talk to someone who would break into your house. I definitely do not want my current neighbors to know I own guns, but than I live in a slightly shady area. Same reason I don't put gun stickers on my car, or wear gun tshirts.

Bullshit.  There is only ONE documented case of this that anyone has EVER found.  I'm not going to sit there, and buy into all the fear and bullshit about some FANTASY that you and others keep tirelessly repeating and regurgitating over and over again, and there is ONE data point to back up your baseless fears.  It is completely an unreasonable and ridiculous fear.  Well there is your problem right there, don't live in a shady area.  That's probably rule number 1 of how to not get your home broken into.  If you live in a shady area, get out any way that you can.  Get to a rural area, ASAP.  If you're a prepper, it only makes sense.  Don't be in cities, suburban, or any shady area, either.

Ohh really, well what do you put your LONG GUNS IN when you transport them to disguise them so that your neighbors don't know that you own long guns, either?  Do you sneak them in and out under cover of darkness to hide them from everyone?  If they see you carry out a long gun case, they are going to know you have firearms in your home, anyway. 

More ridiculousness.  My wife or I are usually home when the other one is gone, and there is no way to tell if the house is empty because we have a garage and tinted windows on our vehicles.  And my wife is just as good at shooting firearms as I am.  Please, break in when I'm not home.  They'll be leaving in body bags.  I'm not too worried about it.  I've got an alarm system with two city cops living in my neighborhood, and when I call 911, they show up in 2-3 minutes everytime.  I've tested it NUMEROUS TIMES.  I've also got good insurance as well if anything is ever stolen.  My firearms are in a fireproof, water proof, 15 minute safe that's bolted to concrete and studs.  Unless my firearm is on me, its in the safe.  I'm not too worried.  I'm prepared.  Are you?

Just more bullshit fantasy and made up fear and irrational fears.  Same regurgitated vomit that I've seen time and time again on the same old wore out points. 

I find the CONCEAL CARRY ONLY people like yourself and James Jaeger to be quite Collectivist, and to use emotional and imagination driven rationalizing.  I tend like to to live in the real world, and I like real world data, and not some made up fantasy bullshit.


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And that cartoon is hilarious.

Your taste in cartoons sucks.
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Re: James Yeager on Shotguns & Open Vs. Concealed carry handguns
« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2012, 08:16:13 PM »
yall need to quit shitting all over yourselves
its getting rather embarrassing for the entire site to host such foolishness
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Re: James Yeager on Shotguns & Open Vs. Concealed carry handguns
« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2012, 09:00:00 PM »
Rob Pincus and James Yeager on Open Carry


The conceal carry collectivist say that only the stupid and idiotic would dare to open carry. 

tominphx, Please look at the video at around 2:55, James Jaeger has TAUGHT CARRY PERMIT CLASSES.  I guess that kind of debunks what you were saying about him not teaching carry permit classes.  He said he certainly does and has taught them in the past as well, where he spews more of his Conceal Carry Only BS.

Also note that open carry is bad, but its perfectly fine to have numerous firearm and firearm accessory Manufacturers Trademarks all over the side of your vehicle.  Apparently that is against the grey man Conceal Carry Only code.  Your vehicle will constantly be getting broken into, so they can find all your firearms, magazines, and ammo inside if you have firearm stickers on the outside.  Well how about Manufacturer's names that can be seen from 100 yards away?  It must be ok, because they are the professionals.   [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
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Re: James Yeager on Shotguns & Open Vs. Concealed carry handguns
« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2012, 09:00:59 PM »
yall need to quit shitting all over yourselves
its getting rather embarrassing for the entire site to host such foolishness

You're a Moderator aren't you Mountain?  Just delete our post or the whole thread, whatever you would like to do, by all means.  Do whatever you like.  You're a Moderator.

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Re: James Yeager on Shotguns & Open Vs. Concealed carry handguns
« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2012, 09:40:17 PM »
You're a Moderator aren't you Mountain?  Just delete our post or the whole thread, whatever you would like to do, by all means.  Do whatever you like.  You're a Moderator.
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