Interesting take on CWII

[CJS06]

Article makes some good points. Not sure if I agree, but it is good food for thought. This is just the opening excerpt from the article.  The full link is below.


It is time for our society to acknowledge a sad truth: America is currently fighting its second Civil War.

In fact, with the obvious and enormous exception of attitudes toward slavery, Americans are more divided morally, ideologically and politically today than they were during the Civil War. For that reason, just as the Great War came to be known as World War I once there was World War II, the Civil War will become known as the First Civil War when more Americans come to regard the current battle as the Second Civil War.

This Second Civil War, fortunately, differs in another critically important way: It has thus far been largely nonviolent. But given increasing left-wing violence, such as riots, the taking over of college presidents' offices and the illegal occupation of state capitols, nonviolence is not guaranteed to be a permanent characteristic of the Second Civil War.

https://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2017/01/24/americas-second-civil-war-n2275896

[JoJo]

Thanks CJ I sent this to everyone I trust on my email list.

[grizz]

Do they mention the "non-violent" invasion from the south or from refugees?

[Kbop]

do they mention the current POTUS and his involvement with RU?

[JohnyMac]

I know I have written something like this before but what the heck 

Like all empires the US empire is at the end as we know it. Most empires only last 200-250 years and depending when you start the clock we are 225 - 240 (1776 Declaration of independence/1791 Last state ratified the Constitution & Bill of Rights) years down the road.

The only empire to have an extended run is when the Roman Republic was replaced by the Roman Empire ~49 BC. I write 49 BC because that is when Julius Caesar started the Roman Civil War when he crossed the River Rubicon and marched on Rome to force Pompey and the Elite Oligarchy from the land.

So lets look at some signs of an empire ending:

> Redistribute wealth to keep the proletariat and to a degree bourgeoisie happy or content,
> Running up a debt to "keep the proletariat and to a degree bourgeoisie happy or content",
> Influx of aliens from other lands that do not embrace the culture of their adopted country,
> Wars that never seem to end or are just replaced by a new war to help rally the populous around,
> The tearing down of existing laws both man made and religious,
> Deviance,
> Et Ctera - I am sure we could add to this list upon researching other empires.

So some questions are:

? Are we currently in a civil war now, albeit a civil war of words - Or are we just in the final throws of a dying empire just biding time till
   a new empire emerges to fill the void we leave? Maybe both. Think the Caliphate that is picking up steam and moving into Europe
   and to a lesser degree here in the states.
? If we are all in agreement that we are in a civil war of words and ideologies - Will the rhetoric from both sides of the
   argument start shooting at each other?
? If a shooting civil war breaks out - Whom will become our Caesar? Will he/she be a benevolent dictator like Caesar or Lincoln was or
   he/she be more like Stalin or Mao?

Okay, if we all agree on the premise that we are in a civil war of words, what would happen if the perfect storm came our way like:

Stock market corrects by 50%> A run on the banks> An enemy see's an opportunity to cripple us further either through EMP, Internet/electrical grid, pandemic attack, or a coalition of lets say the radical left with an already embedded cell (s) within the country from "insert ideology here". We could all go on and scare the crap out of each other.

My point is: We are already in a heap of excrement and the perfect storm (Black Swan Event) is developing around us daily. Many of us just do not see it. The frog in the pot and the warm/hot/boiling water analogy comes immediately to mind. 

So in closing, I believe our empire is collapsing. I believe that this civil war of words will escalate to a shooting conflict. I also think that our enemies will take advantage of this civil war. And I do believe a dictator will emerge to pull our bacon out of the fire not unlike what Rome's good general Caesar did about 2,066 years ago.

Thoughts?

[CJS06]

Johny

Well written and thought out. I agree with you. We are at a crux between the diminishing of the "empire" and an ideological civil war.  Unfortunately it loos more every day like this will turn into a shooting war which will leave the door wide open for our enemies and even many of our "friends" to take advantage.  I do not think it will even take a catastrophic event lie a stock market correction, emp, etc to kick it off. I am worried that it will be a straw that broke the camels back event . That or one side will find their own USS Maine or Gulf of Tonkin type of event that will push thing past ideological war of words into an exchange of gunfire.

Chris

[Jackalope]

  Personally, I think we're close to a physical civil war.  We are certainly in an ideological civil war, and we have been since Obama took office.  I see the battle lines are mostly between urban versus rural areas.  In general, urban areas are where the Progessives accumulate and where they seem to have freedom to operate.  When the war does go hot, it will take decades to resolve, and it will probably result in a split off of certain States.  Prior to that, we'll encounter IED's and all the nasty things that war brings.  I don't see any other way to resolve the differences that currently exist.  Like many folks, I'm tired of all the progressive bullshit, and the restrictions of my constitutional rights. 

      A semi-amicable split now would perhaps avoid bloodshed, but I don't see the numb nuts in Washington permitting that to occur, as they are intoxicated by their perceived power.  Another major problem that we have with our political representatives, is that the majority of them have not experienced the horrors of war, nor the rigors of living in a third world country.  As has been already pointed out, the United States is not immune from being toppled.  How far and fast we fall is to be determined.  Hopefully we won't go the way of France in the French revolution, or the deviant downfall of Germany when the Nazis assumed command.  I could see how the immigrants could replace the Jews as being the primary scapegoats of our nation, while the main causes become of downfall are obscured.  Meanwhile the government is distracted by the actions of Russia, which has a GDP equitable with the State of Texas, and half of our population.  Again, I place the blame on the Obama administrations for failing to deal with Russia when they started their activity.  Often, other nations will only react to the use of force, I see this most often in the Middle East, but I believe that it also applies to Russia.  Putin saw that Obama was weak willed, so he took advantage of the situation.  Unfortunately, all of this is occurring at the same time as the progressive are becoming more active within our nation.  It's a "perfect storm" and it needs to be resolved.  This summer should bring plenty of violence.

      Unfortunately we live in interesting times.  I advise to gather you bullets, beans, and band-aids and obtain as much training as you can. 

[Kbop]

I'm not quite ready to give up on the constitution of the US.  I do agree that it is likely to change in the near future.  maybe that will create a safety valve away from armed conflict.
what worries me is our own version of the reichstag fire.  too many people in this country will 'adapt' and adjust their thinking with out a historical understanding of where that path leads.

if we go down that path then we may be a failed experiment.

lets see how well our institutions work.  maybe well move away from The United States of America and back to These United States of America.

or i'm being a horrible optimist.

[Nemo]

Yes we are.  Soft war soon to go hard. 

One more time-- keep your friends close and your rifle closer.

Nemo

[grizz]

Yes we are.  Soft war soon to go hard. 

One more time-- keep your friends close and your rifle closer.

Nemo

I hope not but I think you're right.

The "non-violent" evidence is all around us, put on a Trump t-shirt and walk down a big city street and see how long before someone (or many people) come out to greet you with fists and sticks. The media and most likely the courts will paint the event as justified due to PTSD over Trump being elected or some such thing.

[JoJo]

 This is about what gun control is all about. If they can destroy the second amendment then when they come back in power it's all over.
 Remember obama armed almost every government department and bought Billions of rounds of ammo and hundreds of machine guns. These departments will be the next democrat president's BROWN SHIRTS. 
 Now Trump has the military on his side and is restoring the Generals and rules that obama did away with.

[JohnyMac]

All good stuff folks. However I have to admit - I am tired. I see what you folks write and for the most part agree with but so few others do.

When we move to a shooting civil war the tens of millions that die because of it may be just to much to bare.

I am tired.

[grizz]

All good stuff folks. However I have to admit - I am tired. I see what you folks write and for the most part agree with but so few others do.

When we move to a shooting civil war the tens of millions that die because of it may be just to much to bare.

I am tired.

If the first to go are lame stream media, politicians and lawyers  then the Country will turn around pretty quick 

[JoJo]

All good stuff folks. However I have to admit - I am tired. I see what you folks write and for the most part agree with but so few others do.

When we move to a shooting civil war the tens of millions that die because of it may be just to much to bare.

I am tired.

That's what the extremist left does to people. They wear them down until they give up. Which is what Republicans have done for the past 40 years. But now there is Trump and he fights back which is what drives them crazy, what someone who doesn't cowtow to their demands how unAmerican

[Kbop]

If the first to go are lame stream media, politicians and lawyers  then the Country will turn around pretty quick 

 
the slow, the weak and the stupid go first.  I just wish the innocent and the defenseless didn't get caught in the same group.

[grizz]

If the first to go are lame stream media, politicians and lawyers  then the Country will turn around pretty quick 

 
the slow, the weak and the stupid go first.  I just wish the innocent and the defenseless didn't get caught in the same group.

we need a "like" button on this site

[Nemo]

Well, with the Tomahawks/Sarin/US/Syria situation, methinks a bit of reassessment may be due.  Seems Trump has a bit of stiffness to him.  How long the stiff part will last still remains in question though.


Nemo