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Offline JohnyMac

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Greece: Banks Taking a Holiday this week
« on: June 29, 2015, 01:01:41 PM »
Well now, has anybody seen on TV news that Greece banks are taking a six day holiday? As of this writing DJIA is down 220 points to 17,719. The general bet on the street is in fact Greece will default on Wednesday. So the dominoes are starting to fall folks.

IMO, this whole "dog and pony show" of the most recent SCOTUS decisions, the removal of the Confederate flag from SC State grounds, need for more gun control, etcetera is just a magician trying to occupy your attention while a bunch of things are happening in the other hand. The poor state of the economy in the US and world wide, is one of those things.

Here is one other example of how bad the economy is: Puerto Rico is on the cusp of being in default to creditors too. A $9B load payment is coming due July 1, 2015. There isn't enough $$$ in their bank account to pay it. Keep an eye to the horizon as to what will happen. I suspect that the current administration will come in under the wire and bail the territory out. If there is any mention in the MSM it will be a short mention, then no follow-up/no noise.

So what are you doing to up your prepping game? Anything? Or are you playing the roll of Normalcy Bias. 

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The normalcy bias, or normality bias, is a mental state people enter when facing a disaster. It causes people to underestimate both the possibility of a disaster and its possible effects. This may result in situations where people fail to adequately prepare for a disaster, and on a larger scale, the failure of governments to include the populace in its disaster preparations.

The assumption that is made in the case of the normalcy bias is that since a disaster never has occurred then it never will occur. It can result in the inability of people to cope with a disaster once it occurs. People with a normalcy bias have difficulties reacting to something they have not experienced before. People also tend to interpret warnings in the most optimistic way possible, seizing on any ambiguities to infer a less serious situation.

The opposite of normalcy bias would be overreaction, or "worst-case thinking" bias, in which small deviations from normality are dealt with as signaling an impending catastrophe.


 
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Re: Greece: Banks Taking a Holiday this week
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2015, 01:11:34 PM »
Dow Jones Industrial Average 2 Minute
Dow Jones Indices: .DJI - Jun 29 1:04 PM ET
17,702.55Price decrease 244.13 (1.36%)

That is here in the U.S.  Lets hope the normalcy sticks around for the rest of the week. I have not had a chance to get out to the grocery store.  Bank account got trimmed some till Friday.  But I am not worried.  The govt will keep all normal.  See, Jade Helm is going on.  It will keep it normal.

But anyway, for this week, I do need that 20 foot piece of 6 inch plastic pipe with caps in the next day or 2.

And a buddy invited me for a shark hunting trip out into the gulf soon.  We were figuring tomorrow or Thursday.  That will be fun.

So no big deal with any of it.  Even Spain and Italy and all that stuff.  CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS and MSNBC is not worried or reporting any potential problems so no big deal.

But it could be bad and the worst part, I am wrong with my assessment above  ;)--  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11704051/The-world-is-defenseless-against-the-next-financial-crisis-warns-BIS.html

Or:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/29/world/europe/a-wary-athens-awaits-the-referendum-on-austerity.html?_r=0

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Re: Greece: Banks Taking a Holiday this week
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2015, 02:09:34 PM »
I had read both articles previously Nemo - Thanks for posting  :thumbsUp:

I saw a documentary a couple of months ago on the history of the Fed. The last 15 minutes or so of the documentary explained the 2008 financial crisis and what was done to prevent a total collapse.

In short, they...

1) Printed money,
2) Lowered interest rates, and
3) Came in the back door to make sure the banks had money to make credit calls.

All three things are in the Keynesian tool kit to alleviate what happened in 2008. Well the Fed does not have those tools going forward. They have blown their load (s). 

IMO, and only my IMO, if we allowed the collapse to have happened in 2009/2010 we would have been out of the recession/depression by now.

The worse thing is our economy is involved globally. What happens now will happen not only in the EU, but Russia, South Africa, Australia, China, SE Asia...The list goes on but you get the idea. Once the world collapses WWIII will start. We need it to pull our collective bacon out of the fire.

Stay tuned folks... :coffeeNews:
 
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Re: Greece: Banks Taking a Holiday this week
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2015, 05:00:52 PM »
Closing bell today... -350 points or -1.95%. 18% more of a correction until things level out. Will it trickle in or will there be a BIG ass correction. The last one was -777 points in 2009. 
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Re: Greece: Banks Taking a Holiday this week
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2015, 07:09:26 PM »
Hey JM,
Hard to say how the Greek comedy will end. I figure the leftists are thumbing their nose at the creditors because they think they can get away with it. The only losers will be the Greek people.
Anyway, did you see the capitol controls they put in effect? Hard to live on 60 euro a day (most they can withdraw per day), which will last a week. Then who knows if the banks will ever reopen.
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Re: Greece: Banks Taking a Holiday this week
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2015, 09:39:59 PM »
Closing bell today... -350 points or -1.95%. 18% more of a correction until things level out. Will it trickle in or will there be a BIG ass correction. The last one was -777 points in 2009.

I may be wrong but I think I read that after the 2009 correction controls were put in place to end automatic trading and all had to be done basically by person after the loss is 350.  Or somewhere right there abouts.  Not sure but as I saw the drops earlier (I have nothing in stocks) it reminded me of that and I wondered just what the limit was.

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Re: Greece: Banks Taking a Holiday this week
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2015, 07:03:50 AM »
Yeah Nemo, I vaguely remember something about that. I just googled it but couldn't find it.

DM, should be fun to watch. What I am amazed over is that the MSM isn't covering it much. At least here.

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Re: Greece: Banks Taking a Holiday this week
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2015, 10:51:36 AM »
Here is some more on Puerto Rico...

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Puerto Rico's governor, saying he needs to pull the island out of a “death spiral,” has concluded that the commonwealth cannot pay its roughly $72 billion in debts, an admission that will probably have wide-reaching financial repercussions.

The governor, Alejandro García Padilla, and senior members of his staff said in an interview last week that they would probably seek significant concessions from as many as all of the island’s creditors, which could include deferring some debt payments for as long as five years or extending the timetable for repayment.

“The debt is not payable,” Mr. García Padilla said. “There is no other option. I would love to have an easier option. This is not politics, this is math.”


I have heard NO Cable or MSM TV channel point this out. So Greece's default is not the only one happening July 1, 2015.

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Re: Greece: Banks Taking a Holiday this week
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2015, 01:53:00 PM »
 
I have heard NO Cable or MSM TV channel point this out. So Greece's default is not the only one happening July 1, 2015.
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Fox News pointed out Puerto Rico and Greese's problem and a pundit said, paraphrasing here, What about the USA $18 trillion in debt.

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Re: Greece: Banks Taking a Holiday this week
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2015, 02:17:14 PM »
Good idea jojo  :thumbsUp:

As of this writing (1415hrs) DJIA is up 112 points. I don't know how but it almost seems that the Fed is somehow pumping up the mkt. Mmmmmm? With Futures down this morning I am a bit surprised.
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Re: Greece: Banks Taking a Holiday this week
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2015, 04:13:38 PM »
Closing bell only up 23 points on DJIA. Keep an eye on futures.
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Re: Greece: Banks Taking a Holiday this week
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2015, 07:47:46 PM »
Time to yell BOHICA again?  If not it will be soon.

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Re: Greece: Banks Taking a Holiday this week
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2015, 08:53:01 AM »
Dow futures up 160 points this morning.

Some things to keep an eye on are...

Friday, June U-3 unemployment numbers
Over the next 10 days public retailers will be releasing Q2 results
Greece confidence vote this Sunday
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Re: Greece: Banks Taking a Holiday this week
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2015, 08:25:15 PM »
Similar stock market things happening here in Oz.

3 weeks ago I started proceedings to liquidate my one remaining investment, I still dunno what to do with the cash when I get it but I'll think of something I guess. At least it won't be in equities but it's not safe in the bank either.

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Re: Greece: Banks Taking a Holiday this week
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2015, 08:30:59 PM »
There's Bitcoin to consider. I think the long term bottom might be in. You can keep your bitcoins anonymous from the government. And you can carry them on your person at all times. There are various ways to take them 'offline' to prevent them from being hacked into as well. Not trying to push them on anybody but it's something to consider.

That and the fact that $1,000,000 per 1 Bitcoin is entirely plausible in the next decade or two.

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Re: Greece: Banks Taking a Holiday this week
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2015, 03:36:17 AM »
Having worked in IT for 20-odd years I really can't trust anything based on computers, I can't see how bitcoin is any different to any other fiat currency, surely it's only worth what it's worth because people say it is.

I know a lot of people like them, but so far I don't get it.

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Re: Greece: Banks Taking a Holiday this week
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2015, 07:08:59 AM »
For the week -216 points

Futures down 12 points

Market closed today due to Independence Day holiday

Sunday Greece citizens vote on more austerity or less. Polls are to close to call.

Enjoy your holiday weekend.
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Re: Greece: Banks Taking a Holiday this week
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2015, 07:52:08 AM »
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..surely it's only worth what it's worth because people say it is.

Yep. That's why anything in the world has worth. Or another word for it; value.

Gold. Art. Shovels. Chickens. They all have worth or value because we say they do. The amount of value something has relative to other somethings is based on only 2 things: how much of it that people want to own and how many are available to acquire.

But we can't confuse the words 'value' with 'usefulness'. We might say, "Fire has value because it keeps us warm and cooks our food." But fire doesn't really have much value at all. Yes, many people want to acquire fires, but the amount of fires available to acquire are practically infinite. While fire is 'useful' it isn't particularly 'valuable'.

On the other hand, art we might say, doesn't have much usefulness at all other than decorating an empty room or making overeducated intellectuals think deep thoughts where none are warranted. However I wouldn't go wiping my ass with The Monalisa if I could help it. Because it has value because people say it does. And there are only one of them.

So we can reason that value and usefulness are not connected. For example, if Leonardo had painted 21,000,000 copies of the Monalisa, it's value would decrease but it's usefulness would remain constant. Likewise, if there was only enough wood and flint in the universe to build one fire, it's value would increase, but it's usefulness would remain constant.

So yes fiat and Bitcoin are both valuable because people say they are.

Fiat money has USEFULNESS because the mafia.. *cough* I mean the government requires that you pay them off with it. For example, if I held a gun to your head and demanded your wallet, that wallet all the sudden has a huge increase in usefulness for you. Your life!

But does fiat money have value? Well yes. Because people want it and there is a finite supply (at any given moment).

Having said all that, I'm still trying to figure out why Bitcoin is useful and valuable. It breaks the rules. It seems to be a kind of paradox where it is only useful because it has value and it is only valuable because it has use. Basically, it's usefulness and value increase or decrease at the same time at a 1:1 ratio.

I guess it is useful because it can be used as a medium of exchange more effectively than fiat. Cheaper to transfer, easier to transport, arguably safer to store, predictable quantity, no middleman, anonymity, impossible to counterfeit, impossible to create more than 21,000,000 units.
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