Author Topic: USA Economic Future/Trump/Thoughts From A Snowy Day on Top of the Mountain  (Read 891 times)

Offline JohnyMac

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With President Elect Trump poised to take office in January how far past his inaugural will come the economic downturn that many economists have been predicting for the last 24-36 months. Who knows other than to write, our country cannot survive with yearly Federal deficit budgets of $1 Trillion dollars, less than 2% GDP growth, the lowest Job Participation rate since the mid 1970’s, declining wages, oh and that nasty thing called the National Debt of almost $20 Trillion dollars. These among other telltale signs highlights that the United States economy is weak and likely to collapse soon.

Keep in mind if the US economy collapses the Global economy will collapse too. Especially since many countries like China, Japan, Great Britain, et cetera, help us to survive albeit by growing our National Debt. Taxes alone cannot fund out budgets loans make up the difference.

I suggest to the readers that there could be three outcomes when the Mr. Trump starts his reign:

The first is simple and most probable – WAR! As we all know, war is a lucrative business. War is what helped the US crawl out from under the 1930 to 1941 depression. It certainly was not President Roosevelts “New Deal” policy’s. If we had not gotten into WW II we would have struggled along with an economy like the one, we have experienced since 2008.

Then let’s look at the post WW II boom of the 1950’s and ‘60’s. That economy was fueled by the Military- Industrial Complex as outlined by Mr. Eisenhower upon leaving office. Just think of the money the US businesses raked in each year through selling weapons to other countries, organizations (NATO) and spending at home for our own military complex. Just think of all the things engineered and invented to support this spending. Remember, Mr. Kennedy’s challenge, to put a man on the moon within ten years was not a goal for the common man to rally around but to further the advancement of the Military-Industrial Complex.

Global war maybe just what the Elites call for. Keep an eagle eye on this one as it comes in the form of Pearl Harbors, Vietnams, Bay of Pigs, and 911’s.

Another option for Mr. Trump might be to level with the American people and the world. Envision this scenario:

Mr. Trump makes a speech from the oval office outlining where the US is going if economic realities are not understood. He then adds, “I am going to put together a task force of business leaders to come up with a ten-year plan to accomplish the following:

> Balance all Federal fiscal budgets that come from Congress to my desk by October 2018,
> Work on reducing the national debt to ~ 25% of the GDP Vs. today of ~ 80%,
> Reducing the number of people working for the Federal government (Military and civilian) by fifty percent
   through retirement, attrition and elimination of agencies,
> Raise GDP by reducing the amount of restrictions put on business’s today like, taxes and the Affordable Health
   Care for America Act, and
> Possibly a return to a gold and silver standard to eliminate fiat currency. “

To do any one of these actions let alone all of them would require a totally different mindset by the American people. A mindset of austerity so our children and their children are not left holding the bag.

The last option as I see it, is to do nothing. Not unlike what Mr. Obama has done during his eight-year reign other than to grow the national debt, force a tax on the American people called the ACA, dumped trillions of dollars back into the economy which just added to the national debt and further restrict businesses to the point where they could not grow. The result is as I have mentioned earlier, but in essence… An anemic GDP of less than 2%. This “kicking the can down the road” approach is not just Mr. Obama’s legacy but of the three Presidents that preceded him – Mr. Bush jr., Mr. Clinton and Mr. Bush sr.

I pray that Mr. Trump and his advisors do not pick the first or third route to fix our economic woes. One means death to our youth in exchange for economic growth. The other means slavery for our children.

I know, the second route will not be an easy one either. I can hear all the Progressives screaming, “but what about the children?” Well this is where we come to the fork in the road.

One tine leads to death of our children but economic growth. One tine leads to slavery as we add more and more debt to our children’s backs. The last tine leads to freedom for our children through living not going to war and helping to lift the yoke of debt from their backs. The yoke of debt WE placed on their back starting in the late 1980’s.  Some might say in the early 1970’s when we went off the gold & silver standard.

It will require all Americans to not think about themselves but to think about our children’s future. It will require austerity on all our parts whether you are retired, working or have not entered the workforce yet. It will require workers, Federal and civilian, to step outside their comfort zones and make sacrifices for the good of future Americans. We must become the next “Greatest Generation.”
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Re: USA Economic Future/Trump/Thoughts From A Snowy Day on Top of the Mountain
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2016, 04:07:07 PM »
 I agree with all of your bullet points with the exception of reducing our military. Here are a few of my suggestions. Get rid of departments that are useless and over manned.
> Department of Energy at least the part that was supposed to make the US energy self sustaining.
>Labor relations board. They are a bunch of thugs using their power to manipulate companies such as Boeing.
>EPA another group of thugs. They have the power to fine companies even though they were never elected by the people. They over regulate and are destroying the country.
>Department of Education, Get the government out of our schools and let there be home rule.

There must be hundreds of departments that could be eliminated or severely cut back. It's no wonder that DC is the richest city in the country.   
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Re: USA Economic Future/Trump/Thoughts From A Snowy Day on Top of the Mountain
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2016, 04:41:58 PM »
I want to start off by staying that I am clearly commenting based on second hand information so I may be off and welcome correction (factual correction, not speculative corrections).

From what I understand the USA isn't the production power house it was back in the day and for war to be profitable you would need to be able to supply a large number of those involved with products that you produce, which now they would more than likely produce themselves or source from other locations. I don't believe that he would go this route (if his competitor won, well thankfully it looks like we'll never know what would have happened there).

My suspicion (and maybe this will seem a bit far out to some) is that Trump is actually looking at the future. The one thing more important to him than himself is his children, his legacy. No, he has no political experience but look where politicians have gotten you (gotten all of us). What he does have if what your country needs most right now, business experience.  So my prediction is that he will be going more along the lines of your second scenario.  I predict that he will likely move you more into a direction of local production and begin reducing the size of the government. I also predict that he will increase the amount of face time that his daughter gets with the public and that we haven't seen the last of the Trump/Clinton saga but it's going to be their daughters who face off against one another next.
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Re: USA Economic Future/Trump/Thoughts From A Snowy Day on Top of the Mountain
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2016, 09:46:37 PM »
All good points gentlemen.  :bravo:

I loved this one thedigininja, "I also predict that he will increase the amount of face time that his daughter gets with the public and that we haven't seen the last of the Trump/Clinton saga but it's going to be their daughters who face off against one another next."
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