Unchained Preppers
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Grudgie on August 24, 2012, 06:22:51 PM
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So I was parousing through a store today and they had some nice looking plate carriers made by Blue Force Gear for $250. Plates not included. It fin really well and covered almost all of my tiny little torso. Anybody ever heard of these guys or think it's a good buy? I don't have a plate carrier at all and figured I would go back one day and get the plate carrier, mag pouches and all.
Here it is: http://www.blueforcegear.com/lightweight-modular-armor-carrier/#reviews (http://www.blueforcegear.com/lightweight-modular-armor-carrier/#reviews)
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Looks good. Don't listen to people who say not to use armor. Rock armor and a chest rig so you can pick either for a certain mission.
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BFG is HSLD
Id buy plates first then a carrier. You need to make sure you get a carrier cut for your plates.
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I see. I would really like to use some 10 x12 AR500 steel plates, so that would be a large plate carrier.
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I see. I would really like to use some 10 x12 AR500 steel plates, so that would be a large plate carrier.
Go with sapis and soft armor. Much lighter.
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Lol, I don't trust those toliet lids.
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BFG is HSLD
Id buy plates first then a carrier. You need to make sure you get a carrier cut for your plates.
HSLD? I am not farmiliar with this particular internet expression.
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BFG is HSLD
Id buy plates first then a carrier. You need to make sure you get a carrier cut for your plates.
HSLD? I am not farmiliar with this particular internet expression.
High speed low drag.
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Blue force gear is good stuff.
I would also look into a slick carrier though, and just throw a chest rig over it.
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Check out OpticsPlanet and Botachtactical. I picked up an Eagle plate carrier with cummerbund and an Eagle Rhodesian vest for $150- & $135- respectively.
http://www.opticsplanet.com/ (http://www.opticsplanet.com/)
http://www.botachtactical.com/ (http://www.botachtactical.com/)
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I agree with JMac,
The Eagle Rhodesian is a fine rig and wearing one over a slick plate carrier allows you to tailor your rig to the task.
(http://cdn1.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/lgprod/EAG-114.jpg)
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I agree with JMac,
The Eagle Rhodesian is a fine rig and wearing one over a slick plate carrier allows you to tailor your rig to the task.
Thats good but a better option is to take the back of a eagle plate carrier, And mount the Rhodesian rig to the back. It makes a really good setup. I would go with what tom said if your chest rig does not allow rifle plates.
http://youtu.be/rmyUAPXhZjQ (http://youtu.be/rmyUAPXhZjQ)
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Kobalt, Plates save lives! I saw it first hand in Somolia. Stay Frosty!!!
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ar500 is 10lbs a plate, you better have a fucking cummins engine in you for that kind of weight on your ass
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Kobalt, Plates save lives! I saw it first hand in Somolia. Stay Frosty!!!
Well I hope you didn't take your ak. It would have fallen apart.
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Kobalt, I don't run plates.. it's counter to my fast and light mentality.
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Kobalt, I don't run plates.. it's counter to my fast and light mentality.
Thats good. I tend to look at as a mission specific type of thing.
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I'm coming around to the idea but have yet to find a simple bare bones way to hang one of those suckers from the front of an H harness (actually would like it just behind the straps). Just a damned pouch without all the tie in crap for hanging more stuff on the front of your chest. Stupid simple plate carrier, probably gonna have to sew one up.
Does anyone fire from prone anymore?
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I've run the BFG. It's friggin' nice, love the plate pillow. I removed the side plate pockets to reduce bulk, and I don't run side plates. This came out sometime after I got my Crye JPC, and I just had to try it anyway, so I did. I highly recommend it.
That being said though, the Crye is the same price, I like it more than the BFG.
I see. I would really like to use some 10 x12 AR500 steel plates, so that would be a large plate carrier.
No. No you don't. Besides the super obvious weight factor, you want armor that absorbs the round. You don't want armor that fragments the round into your face, arms and dick. Really, you don't.
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armor is heavy as fuck and leaves an awful lot of your body unprotected to to mention how fucked up you will get even if it does stop the bullet, collapsed lungs, internal bleeding, broken ribs
armor is great if you got a med evac option or a hospital near by
but when your on your own completely i'd rather lose the 20 extra pounds
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just make sure if you buy plates for this after you buy the carrier, if you buy a "medium" carrier you need "medium" plates...
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You don't want armor that fragments the round into your face, arms and dick. Really, you don't.
Shows what you know.. that is exactly where I want razor sharp shards of metal flying around. :))
No but really AR500 is a great choice for.....
Plinking targets, not armor.
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I aDmit I am new to body armoire, but it would seem to me that people like us could utilize steel armour better than ceramic. Think about it, ceramic can take a few hits and it's threw. Steel can take many many hits which to me would make it ideal for carrying out a prolonged campaign without ressuply or if in Shtf there aren't any ways of getting ceramic. And I believe the weight of steel is being exaggerated here a little.. A ceramic is around 5 and steel is around 7? And plate weight isn't as critical as gun weight because it is close to your center of gravity allowing the skeleton to take the brunt of the weight and the plates are balanced fore and aft canceling each other out.
There's that and the fact that ceramics can break if dropped and how expensive they are. To me a steel plate backed with some padding would be a very good system. But what do I know? How dare I comment about plates when I have never been in 'combat'.
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i prefer the riot shield on call of duty
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I aDmit I am new to body armoire, but it would seem to me that people like us could utilize steel armour better than ceramic. Think about it, ceramic can take a few hits and it's threw. Steel can take many many hits which to me would make it ideal for carrying out a prolonged campaign without ressuply or if in Shtf there aren't any ways of getting ceramic. And I believe the weight of steel is being exaggerated here a little.. A ceramic is around 5 and steel is around 7? And plate weight isn't as critical as gun weight because it is close to your center of gravity allowing the skeleton to take the brunt of the weight and the plates are balanced fore and aft canceling each other out.
There's that and the fact that ceramics can break if dropped and how expensive they are. To me a steel plate backed with some padding would be a very good system. But what do I know? How dare I comment about plates when I have never been in 'combat'.
that stuff adds up..plates, water, ammo, weapon...sprinting ect...but i would like a nice light metal plate, i would personally run soft 111a on the outside to catch frag.
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good idea chesty
enough weight to dehydrate you and slow you down but not enough to stop any rifle over 22mag
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good idea chesty
enough weight to dehydrate you and slow you down but not enough to stop any rifle over 22mag
what are you talking about? those plates that hoss shoots? with 111a on the outside to catch frag. yeah its heavy but it would work damn good.
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i didnt say anything untrue.......
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good idea chesty
enough weight to dehydrate you and slow you down but not enough to stop any rifle over 22mag
what are you talking about? those plates that hoss shoots? with 111a on the outside to catch frag. yeah its heavy but it would work damn good.
Yeah, but soft are "backers". That's kind of a literal meaning, not really open to interpretation.
Can you? Sure. But now you're just wearing extra shit because you bought the wrong shit that was heavy to begin with.
Soft armor is worn as a backer to help reduce trauma when you're hit.
I know MORE than a handful of people that have been shot in the plates house to house clearing. Those people are ALL alive, they ALL remained deployed and continued their job. I can tell you of more friends that have been saved by armor against high velocity/impact frag.
Here's the first example that ALWAYS comes to mind- Guy is shot with a x54R inside of 100yrds, bounces up, training kicks in- I mean, look at this fucking stud, gun comes up, his head is on a swivel, he takes cover, and he located and directs his buddies to the threat...oh wait, he chases the fucker down, engages, then save his life. Didn't skip a beat.
US Soldier got Sniped, gets back up (Full Story) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV0pN-LaW6E#)
Yeah, AR500 is 10lbs.+, Ceramic is roughly 7lbs., then there's this magical shit called Composite. It's kind of a resin that holds together compressed layers of Kevlar. Now you're talking low 3lbs range.
Here's the bottom line- I'm a straight shooter- I'm not sugar coating this.
You're essentially "budgeting" the value of your life. I'll buy the cheaper shit to save my ass logic doesn't pass the sniff test. At all. Ever. Do or do not do. Buy something that will actually save you or buy ammo or something unrelated. Your money would be better spent. If you are entertaining the purchase of armor, you hold a value on your life. You have a sense of worth.
When determining the value, how on Earth does one even use the word "budget"? It boggles my mind!!!!
If one is struggling with the cost of AR500 plates (in relation to others), the additional cost of soft armor, even to (eww)
wear the wrong way, obviously isn't realistic.
Back to do or do not do- Buy some good stuff. Wait a month or two and save for it.
Don't buy the cheaper stuff, feel all warm and fuzzy and safe, just to have a round fragment and sever your carotid AND femoral. Now you're pluggin' two holes- how are you still holding a gun? The fights not over!!! You are screwed.
That's all I got for now.
Except to say, my war belt (Loaded/with Secondary), my Carrier (Loaded/Armor) and my head gear (with NVGs and Batteries)
is likely BARELY pushing 20-25lbs. Keep that in mind when the discussion comes back around to Stealth- Mobility- Agility-,
Doorways- Hallways- Vehicles- and EVERYTHING one must take into consideration to COMPLETELY dominate and skullfuck your adversary.
Just sayin'.
Goodnight! :D
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Tech nailed it.
Just because I don't like plates doesn't mean that you shouldn't and when it comes to PPE you do need to forget about what that stuff costs because after all it is your life.
Have you tried looking around on craigslist? We posted an add saying that we were looking to pay cash money for used hunting, shooting and military surplus and you would be amazed at the shit we were called about.. including used x-sapi plates.. and cheap too.
IF you want plates then look around because the AR500 plates are not a good value.. ever.
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http://youtu.be/QfDoQwIAaXg (http://youtu.be/QfDoQwIAaXg)
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Thanks for that video Thatguy. I would 'still' buy it over ceramic. To me, AR500 plates are just a 'steal' for the money.
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High-density polyethylene problem solved light weight multiple hits win fucking win!
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High-density polyethylene problem solved light weight multiple hits win fucking win!
Holy crap you are right! Stuff is expensive though.
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Holy crap you are right! Stuff is expensive though.
High-density polyethylene problem solved light weight multiple hits win fucking win!
When I said roughly 3LBS in my above post, that was the weight for 10x12. and they're 3.2LBS on the money.
I actually wear a 8X10 and they're 2.6LBS each.
I had a buddy call me this morning about to buy ESAPI's (4), for $700- all 100%new.
I told him to buy Poly instead and he did. Same cost.
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/Photo1-58.jpg)
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Are these HDPE plates available to civilians?
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Are these HDPE plates available to civilians?
Here are some. http://www.bulletproofme.com/RP-Polyethylene.html (http://www.bulletproofme.com/RP-Polyethylene.html)
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Wow...$350- a pop.
If I was French I would only need one plate. I would need it for the back of my plate carrier. [url=http://www.freesmileys.or
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Imagine being the only guy rockin plates when its time to run away... thats like being the slowest swimmer when a great white shows up lol
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The slowest swimmer in a shark resistant cage you mean.
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The slowest swimmer in a shark resistant cage you mean.
Eh maybe more like being the slowest swimmer because you have chainmail on. might increase your chances of survival from a test bite but if he wants to eat you its useless.
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The slowest swimmer in a shark resistant cage you mean.
Eh maybe more like being the slowest swimmer because you have chainmail on. might increase your chances of survival from a test bite but if he wants to eat you its useless.
Screw swimming I'm on a boat! But you need to figure out when it is time to wear plates, or when its time to go lightweight.
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plates are nice in a vehicle or a guard station or some fixed position
but on a bug out/ lrsu/ then it could really pay to be light
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plates are nice in a vehicle or a guard station or some fixed position
but on a bug out/ lrsu/ then it could really pay to be light
They can be good for short range patrols.