Gun Control, Question For The Group

[JohnyMac]

Has anybody looked into why the left is so pro gun control? Why do "they" want to limit your ability to a firearm? There is under 9,000 murders due to a gun a year. Yet there are over 35, 000 deaths to vehicle accidents a year. I truly do not understand the mindset.

Well thought out comments on this are appreciated.

 

[Sir John Honeybucket]

Historically, they prefer disarmed peasants.  It makes their lust for control so much easier to fulfill when the peasants are unable to fight back.

[Felix]

Agree with Sir John where the thrust is coming from and why (the current cabal who have seized and are busy consolidating their grip on absolute power and their controlled media).
But what about the "uptake"?
Why would someone be a ready market for the very propaganda that would functionally insure their enslavement?
Why, indeed and this is the nubbin that connects dots for me:  a certain portion of humanity simply doesn't cherish freedom. And a subset of those actually recoil from it.   Another "why"... because they are fearful and believe themselves weak.   Some are lazy and want others to do the "heavy lifting" for them, somebody else to get their hands dirty.
And all, every mother's son (and daughter) have the idea firmly ensconced in their publicly educated heads that avoiding responsibility is OK so long as the iPhone works and the food shelves full, the drive-thru eateries are quick and everywhere.
A sad commentary on large swaths of America today but it is what it is.
And exactly as said, "Good times make weak men"
Leaving us to deal with what follows and is closing in on us rapidly.

[Sir John Honeybucket]

Well said, Felix. 

[grizz]

Agree with Sir John where the thrust is coming from and why (the current cabal who have seized and are busy consolidating their grip on absolute power and their controlled media).
But what about the "uptake"?
Why would someone be a ready market for the very propaganda that would functionally insure their enslavement?
Why, indeed and this is the nubbin that connects dots for me:  a certain portion of humanity simply doesn't cherish freedom. And a subset of those actually recoil from it.   Another "why"... because they are fearful and believe themselves weak.   Some are lazy and want others to do the "heavy lifting" for them, somebody else to get their hands dirty.
And all, every mother's son (and daughter) have the idea firmly ensconced in their publicly educated heads that avoiding responsibility is OK so long as the iPhone works and the food shelves full, the drive-thru eateries are quick and everywhere.
A sad commentary on large swaths of America today but it is what it is.
And exactly as said, "Good times make weak men"
Leaving us to deal with what follows and is closing in on us rapidly.

 

The 2A is the only tooth in the constitution that we have not completely lost yet and they are doing everything within and outside or their powers to take it away. Soon the blue helmets will be walking the streets of America

[JohnyMac]

All good comments so far. Lets drill down now with these questions.

1) Is there a star-chamber or cabal that is behind this? If so then there must be a lot of people or soldiers out there pushing
    the agenda. Why has there been no whistle blower to come forward. Well,we know about.

2) Is this a global cabal pushing this? If so, who is the head of the cabal? Why no whistle blowers?

Here is a map of the world and firearm permissions if any.





3) Notice on the map above, basically the America's (new world) have the least amount of restrictions while the old world has
    the most. That would lend one to agree with what is already written, serfs vs. free peoples.

4) Looking at the world map yet again, the USA stands out like a thump hit with a roofing hammer. A bastion of freedom, at
    least today. in most states. Just think of all the natural resource riches the USA has. Maybe in part, the one thing that is
    stopping the world as a whole from sharing in those riches is our 2A.

If we move this discussion along just a bit, what will it take to castrate the USA? What will it take for the old world to divide up the USA? What will it take to in fact, see blue helmeted troops driving on our streets in the future...Near or far future?

Just writing out loud here, the only way that the USA could move into the yellow or even the red is due to emotion, not facts mid you, but emotion. Of course there is always martial law, however, there would have to be an enormous "black flag" event to cause that.

Mmmmmmm, a black flag event. What could that be? I haven't the foggiest idea. The neocons have tried to rile up the Right and or MAGA crowd but that hasn't worked. J6 persecutions' has been a disaster on their part. I am sure "they" were hoping that a uprising would occur. Seriously, what will push the martial law angle?

Again, I am just batting around this issue so we all have a clearer picture of today and into the future.

Thoughts?

[RB in GA]

"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun" - Mao Zedong

[pkveazey]

I have given quite a bit of thought to the Liberal mindset and have come to the conclusion that they either think like Narcissists or they actually are Narcissist. Narcs cannot tolerate anyone being superior to them. When it comes to gun control, they know that they can't control us if we can own guns. With that said, I just read something the other day about Liberals are now buying guns at a faster rate than Conservatives. Hmmm.... Isn't that interesting.

[Nemo]

The problems are there are more car crash deaths than gun deaths, and the gun control supporters like to skew the facts.  Using gun deaths as a single number is not a valid measure.  Suicide deaths using guns are about 55% of gun deaths while homicide account for most of the rest.

Put in the legal intervention gun death, undetermined and unintentional account for about 1500.

There are arguments that "easy" gun access is a major factor in gun suicide.  I dispute that just for the reason that gun suicides are intentional and completely determined and intended to get that result.  Compared to pill and other types which are screams for help.  Note claims that the majority of suicide attempts that are not completed are never tried again.  I submit that scream for help was successful.

But the only thing that makes the news is the total misleading numbers.

Regarding car crash deaths, note the count for 2021 is the highest in 20 years.  And within 20% of both high and low counts since record keeping started in 1975.

My analysis and to answer the primary question--

Gun control numbers are argued simply to control guns.  When government controls guns, government controls society.  Government control of everything is the final plan.

Nemo


https://usafacts.org/data/topics/security-safety/crime-and-justice/firearms/firearm-deaths/

this link also has firearm deaths, by state, since 1981.

Updated numbers and varying statistical breakdown.


Firearm death,  2021,  48,830.

Suicide,             2021,  26,328

Homicide,          2021,  20,958

https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/yearly-snapshot

Car Crash Deaths, 2021, 42,939


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A total of 42,939 people died in motor vehicle crashes in 2021. These deaths occurred in 39,508 crashes involving 61,332 motor vehicles. This was a 10 percent increase in deaths compared with 2020.


Number of deaths, crashes and motor vehicles in fatal crashes, 1975-2021

Year    Deaths    Crashes    Motor vehicles
1975    44,525    39,161    55,534
1976    45,523    39,747    56,084
1977    47,878    42,211    60,516
1978    50,331    44,433    64,144
1979    51,093    45,223    64,762
1980    51,091    45,284    63,485
1981    49,301    44,000    62,699
1982    43,945    39,092    56,455
1983    42,589    37,976    55,106
1984    44,257    39,631    57,972
1985    43,825    39,196    58,272
1986    46,087    41,090    60,792
1987    46,390    41,438    61,836
1988    47,087    42,130    62,703
1989    45,582    40,741    60,870
1990    44,599    39,836    59,292
1991    41,508    36,937    54,795
1992    39,250    34,942    52,227
1993    40,150    35,780    53,777
1994    40,716    36,254    54,911
1995    41,817    37,241    56,524
1996    42,065    37,494    57,347
1997    42,013    37,324    57,060
1998    41,501    37,107    56,922
1999    41,717    37,140    56,820
2000    41,945    37,526    57,594
2001    42,196    37,862    57,918
2002    43,005    38,491    58,426
2003    42,884    38,477    58,877
2004    42,836    38,444    58,729
2005    43,510    39,252    59,495
2006    42,708    38,648    58,094
2007    41,259    37,435    56,253
2008    37,423    34,172    50,660
2009    33,883    30,862    45,540
2010    32,999    30,296    44,862
2011    32,479    29,867    44,119
2012    33,782    31,006    45,960
2013    32,894    30,203    45,102
2014    32,744    30,056    44,950
2015    35,485    32,539    49,477
2016    37,806    34,748    52,714
2017    37,473    34,560    53,128
2018    36,835    33,919    52,286
2019    36,355    33,487    51,623
2020    39,007    35,935    54,552
2021    42,939    39,508    61,332
Number of deaths, crashes and motor vehicles in fatal crashes, 1975-2021
Year    Deaths    Crashes    Motor vehicles

Although the U.S. population has continued to grow since 1975, the rate of crash deaths per 100,000 people in 2021 was 39 percent lower than it was four decades ago. In 2021, the overall per capita death rate increased 9 percent compared with 2020.

[Sir John Honeybucket]

And of course, THEY (tm) use ALL 'gun related deaths' which means that if a father of five defends his family from a gang of criminals and successfully kills three, THEY(tm) will count that as three "guns related deaths", when they SHOULD count the five innocent lives SAVED by Dad and his handy firearm along with the will and training to use it safely, even during a gun fight.   

Criminals should not count in the 'gun deaths' total. In the same way that I do not grieve bacteria and viruses when my immune system slays them after they attack my body.

[JohnyMac]

Which has already been stated, counting total deaths by firearm, "they" count suicides in that number. The last number I can find is 2019. There were 10,258 murders by firearm: 6,368 by handguns, 364 by rifles, 200 shotguns, and 3,281 no type specified, and 45 other. 

Thanks to the numbers that Nemo put up, car deaths out weigh murder by firearm ~4:1 (Car:Firearm).  There is only an average chance of being murdered by a firearm of .000029% while dying via car accident at .00013%.

So we come full circle; why do "they" want to take firearm ownership away from ~340,000,000 American citizens?

[Nemo]

What is your source.  I cannot corroborate your numbers with mine.

I am seeing 2019 totaling gun deaths as 39,707.  It shows 23,941by suicide, 14,414 by homicide and about 1300 others causes of death.

Our sources are off by a significant number and we need to verify accuracy.

Nemo


https://usafacts.org/data/topics/security-safety/crime-and-justice/firearms/firearm-deaths/

[JohnyMac]

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls

[Felix]

Question was: ... "why the Left"   (are all dedicated gun-grabbers)
Later: ..."is there a cabal"... (orchestrating drive for disarming us)

I reckon yes to "cabal", this an entity without need of absolute hierarchy.  Shared goals make snug bedfellows, even if their mother tongues are different.    BIG money coupled with BIG thirst for power resides all around us.   But as they say, "The rich are not like us".   The WEF is simply the visible berg's tip of a body made up of "special people" many whose names we never even hear.   But collectively, they share a commonality of method/purpose quite different than the members of your bowling team.

The "Left" is a tribe that may be funded and propagandized by a relatively few of its members, but it is a large tribe of numbers residing across the spectrum of wealth and influence, from great to virtually zero.    Who makes up the rank and file then?   Self-identifying, the tribe includes the spectrum of people with high IQs and low.   So it is not that Leftists are either "smart" or "stupid".   Their commonality?   A matter of speculation but I think some plausible qualifications might include things like envy, cowardice, sloth, mental illness, etc.   ALL negatives of human nature but the fact has always been that a tree is judged by its fruit.

Craving security without willingness to contribute to it underpins the "hiring it done" mentality of those who would sell their freedoms for that security.  Their childish understanding of how our world has always worked precludes ever coming to grips with realities they fear, deep in their hearts.

 But coming to grips is now all but inevitable in a looming future.  So, the grabber's propaganda becomes more strident, cabal machinations more comprehensive - along with the slow-motion Red Dawn now being perpetrated across our southern border.   

Yep.  We will steadfastly cling to our guns and Bibles.    Because no other choice is offered.   "They" are intent on collapsing a middle class that stands in the way of their encompassing tyranny.    We do our best to maintain the means to resist and survive.   And woe unto those seen wearing blue helmets on American soil.   Where "we are behind every blade of grass".

[JohnyMac]

Some interesting comments Felix - All good.

You hinted to the possibility that gun control is an attempt to break down the middle class. The one big block of citizens that must be neutered to turn our country into a reemergence of serfdom. After all, the rich & powerful will remain at the top of the pyramid, and the poor will be paid off with the spoils from the dismantling of the middle class.

So yet we come back full circle yet again. There is a cabal, and the two things in their way of the goal is the middle class owning an arsenal.

Just think...If the cabal can not take your firearms through bullying, propaganda, and statuette, they will eventually do it through force. We have many examples of governments doing this. One that would be closer to home would be the British Disarming Act 1715. In short, the British crown was afraid of another Scottish uprising so a General in 1725 was sent to Scotland to seize such weapons of war.

The most recent illegal confiscation in American history was the British march to Lexington & Concord. What event would cause this again today? Would the average Joe & Jane do what our forefathers did in 1775 if attempted?

Getting a bit off subject here, let's remember the roll of the guerrilla tactics used throughout history. In almost every case, the guerrilla solider won the day.

Great discussion and not yet exhausted.

 

[Felix]

Disarmament of any class (but especially our middle class) is an easily understandable goal for easily understandable reasons owned by those who believe their fortunes will be increased thereof.
And for previously discussed other reasons, that cohort we refer to as "sheeple", go along enthusiastically (damn their weak and silly souls).

What hinders my sunny outlook on outcomes favorable to "us", is the isolation our enemies can enforce and enjoy cost free.
What do I mean by that?
Well, if my reads of history are correct, insurgencies typically enjoy outside support.    For example, the polarity between US and Soviet spheres meant that such as the Viet Cong were always going to be "resupplied", actually serving as proxies for others as they believed they were fighting for their own.   Back further, the Spanish Civil war was a contest with many dogs in the fight and who blockaded Cornwallis for us, precipitating his surrender?

However in today's world, geopolitical divides have been muted by "Globalization".    Such as to the extent that "Big Money" centered anywhere has more to gain working with "Big Money" elsewhere, owners/controllers of all intertwined against a hoi poloi that would prefer being served as much as serving.    We live on a shrunken planet.

In other words, once the balloon goes up in our coming civil war, patriots are going to be _on their own_ ... the mantra "no-one is coming to save you" taking on real meaning.    What's in hand will be all that is available.   No shipments of medicine, arms, ammunition arriving by night on some remote beach...

We are going to have to fight and survive with what we have.
There will be no substantial "resupply" coming to hand.    The same people that installed Obama/Biden and fly to Davos will be the same ones who make as sure of that as they can.
"Gun control" and curtailing access to ammunition is just their way of helping to "prep the battlefield".

[JohnyMac]

Amen Felix. 

WOLVEREENS

[grizz]

Amen Felix. 

WOLVEREENS

 

[Jackalope]

Wolverines If you're referring to Red Dawn

[JohnyMac]

Jackalope, the original of course