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Offline RS762

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Full auto is awesome.
« on: June 23, 2012, 07:14:53 PM »
Shot 2 different AK's full auto today, an AMD-65 and a Krinkov, both 7.62x39.
VERY easy to control.

And a German MG-08 with original tripod and optical sight.
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I thought 7.62 AK's were supposed to be "uncontrollable" on full auto, what horse shit.
I was putting 3-4 round bursts right where i wanted them, all day.
Pisses me off to come home to my neutered firearms.

Full auto is impressive, that whole "turning ammo into noise" thing is nonsense, i found it be be almost perfect for engagements of 70 yards or less.

There is no good reason why full autos are illegal, it's not a privilege it's a right.
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Re: Full auto is awesome.
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2012, 10:36:12 PM »
For our sake full auto is no good.

When you have supply lines that replenish your ammo especially on the governments dime. Full auto is awesome, its fun and can be useful.

But I would rather fight tomorrow with what ammo I have left after an engagement. I'll stick to one to two round rapid semi auto controlled fire.

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Re: Full auto is awesome.
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2012, 01:42:28 PM »
RS, I agree that AK's are easy to control on full auto as ar AR's.  :))

I know I told this story before so I will not go into great depth here. The last time I fired an AK on full auto I was in Vietnam up by the Cu Chi Tunnel complex just north of Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon) in '04. Had a blast and impressed the natives.  [url=http://www.freesmileys.or

Just keep in find RS, it is pretty easy to cnvert your AK or AR to full auto in TEOFWAWKI situation. With that said, as RvR wrote, semi auto is the way to go. Make every shot count! Don't waste ammo.
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Re: Full auto is awesome.
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2012, 02:26:36 PM »
RJ I'm going to play devils advocate on you (not bashing but trying to educate) a bit here.  Sure auto is easier to control in a stationary fighting stance.  But remember this:  static shooters rarely win fights.   

In different situations you'll get different results.  Single shooter trying to move from cover to cover?  Take that same weapon and cut a full sprint across a couple of dozen yards at a diagonal moving from cover to cover on full auto and see what happens.  You'll either have to slow down to control your accuracy thereby increasing your exposure time and making yourself an easier target (due to your slower speed) or spray and pray while going full bore to cover.  In the last few decades I've trained and worked with the active shooter concept I have yet to meet anyone that can deliver accurate automatic fire at full sprint.  Add a teamate or two firing in support (even on semi) and that fella running for covers accuracy isn't so critical.

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Re: Full auto is awesome.
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2012, 03:15:14 PM »
RJ I'm going to play devils advocate on you (not bashing but trying to educate) a bit here.  Sure auto is easier to control in a stationary fighting stance.  But remember this:  static shooters rarely win fights.   

In different situations you'll get different results.  Single shooter trying to move from cover to cover?  Take that same weapon and cut a full sprint across a couple of dozen yards at a diagonal moving from cover to cover on full auto and see what happens.  You'll either have to slow down to control your accuracy thereby increasing your exposure time and making yourself an easier target (due to your slower speed) or spray and pray while going full bore to cover.  In the last few decades I've trained and worked with the active shooter concept I have yet to meet anyone that can deliver accurate automatic fire at full sprint.  Add a teamate or two firing in support (even on semi) and that fella running for covers accuracy isn't so critical.

Have you ever shot full auto treaded?

I simply see it as a function which should be available to the citizenry on a greater scale than it currently is,
Honestly, full auto shouldn't be a big deal, it has it's purpose.

Its so easy to quickly put a 3-round burst in a man sized target at 50 yards or less, much faster than i could do a double tap. At CQB full auto is king, there's not really a comparison.

As far as shooting from cover and under stress is concerned the same principles and challenges would apply to semi-only shooters as well, no difference.

That being said primary method of operation for a modern carbine should be almost always be semi-automatic.
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Re: Full auto is awesome.
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2012, 04:34:55 PM »
Probably only a few thousand rounds.  In places like Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan, a few other places that suck ass, and in an ungodly amount of mind numbing training hours as both a troop and contractor.

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Re: Full auto is awesome.
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2012, 07:23:52 PM »
full auto is awesome, but with a guerrilla mindset every round and every grain of rice needs to be used to its fullest

while you got a chain of supply, (gun stores)  take some fighting rifle classes and blow some ammo off and train to shoot fast
it becomes far more effective than full auto round for round 
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Re: Full auto is awesome.
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2012, 12:12:58 AM »
I know what your saying bro, fullauto should never had been restricted. A bullet down range is still a bullet down range. I can rapid fire just as quick and accurately as I can full auto. The goooobernment should not have done it. Its BS.


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Re: Full auto is awesome.
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2012, 12:08:12 PM »
Full auto can certainly have a purpose, even in today's world right now.  I could see where it would be really nice to to have a happy switch M4 or M16, with a few Mags of ammo, to keep a mob or hoard that wants to get to you, for whatever reason, like maybe you just defended yourself against one of their "homeys" and now they want revenge against you, it might take the LEO quite a while to get there, and then once there, the LEO may not know what to properly do about it, which may lead to more time before they actually get to you and save you.  Accurate, burst fire from a full auto with some nasty 5.56 in it, could definitely keep heads down and stop their advance on you.  Same with a full-auto AK.

Also, its a fallacy that full auto of all types cannot be controlled by anyone.  Its just pure BS.  With training and time on trigger on full auto, a person can learn how to control the recoil.  I've seen a guy MAG DUMP (30 rounds) a sub 9mm into a humanoid target in about the size of a grapefruit, at about the distance from my back wall in my home, to the front door.  Imagine what that would do to a bullet resistant vest that a criminal might be wearing?  Yeah, it will be like its not even there.

The reason for the fallacy I believe, is that full auto is just not around the normal everyday average joe, and most of us, for the most part, unless you seek it out, and it would also be incredibly expensive, out of our pay range, to afford the kind of training you need to become accurate with full auto.  Whether it be renting the firearm or just paying for  the ammo.  That is why I believe this fallacy has just gone around forever, because sure, you get a green guy on full auto, that has no idea what he's doing, with no instruction on recoil management, and sure the 3rd bullet out of the gun is going to be heading up in the sky.  You have to get used to, and train for the feeling of keeping that muzzle down in full auto fire.  Its not easy at all, especially on an entire mag dump.  You'd have to train a lot.  Burst fire probably wouldn't take as much training on full auto.

With a ton of training, I believe you can even MAG DUMP in full auto and be reasonable accurate with it.  Of course, accurate burst fire is even easier to train someone how to control and shoot accurately.

With modern shoot, move, communicate, maneuver tactics of today, Full-auto certainly has its place for keeping heads down by the static element, while the maneuver element flanks and destroys the enemy.  It will be fairly hard to retreat or move when you've got full auto burst fire going right above your head.  I mean, what if China invaded?  LOL

Anyway, for those of you who believe that ammo will just be too scarce to ever use full auto in a resistance, you obviously have NOT been paying attention to current or past historical resistance at all.  Look at Ireland just for one instance.

IMHO, with tactical requisitioning, you might just have more ammo than you can even carry out on your person.  You'll need more people to carry all the ammo.  One hit on the right supply truck might be all you need to supply your group, with full auto weapons, for six months or a year depending on size and action you take.

Also, with tactical requisition, all the things that are banned now, well they will not longer be banned, in a sense, and you'll be able to get ALL of them and plenty of them.  I mean who cares if you get caught using it, as you'll be dead anyway, or in a death camp somewhere.

I see the fallacy of full auto is alive and well.  With that said, I'll be sticking to accurate semi-auto fire, shot very quickly through good trigger control and recoil control for now, but if I get the chance to learn how to shoot full-auto and train to become better at it, you can bet your butt that I'm going to take it.

I also, agree, that the banning of new full auto's being made, is indeed unconstitutional in my mind, and I think the regulation of them was a huge stretch by the legislature, to be honest.  Not that my opinion matters diddly squat to them at all, but still, the regulation was a huge stretch, IMHO.  It should have never been allowed to take place, Constitutionally speaking.

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Re: Full auto is awesome.
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2012, 06:57:29 PM »
I was pissed when they took my full-auto capability away from me in the Army.  Since I was intel, my unit was one of the last to get new "improved" M16A2's.  I liked my A1.  Had her 4 years, trigger nice and broke-in, accurate as hell, and could go full auto.  (I had her in Desert Storm; she wasn't perfect, let me down after 3 mags in a firefight, but she was mine).  The only thing I liked about the A2 was the heavier barrel.  The trigger sucked, the tri-burst sucked, and it was no more accurate than my A1.  Either way, in an extended engagement, AR platforms need more lube than a pornstar.  AK's do not.

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« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2012, 07:05:03 PM »
Sure Full Auto is cool but in my opinion full auto is a waste of ammo and money I would be better off with Semi Auto at least you had a good time  [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co

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Re: Full auto is awesome.
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2012, 08:07:30 PM »
Either way, in an extended engagement, AR platforms need more lube than a pornstar.  AK's do not.


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Re: Full auto is awesome.
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2012, 08:49:32 PM »
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Re: Full auto is awesome.
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2012, 09:34:37 PM »
Either way, in an extended engagement, AR platforms need more lube than a pornstar.  AK's do not.





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Re: Full auto is awesome.
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2012, 11:29:57 PM »
Either way, in an extended engagement, AR platforms need more lube than a pornstar.  AK's do not.





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